赶快转french immersion吧。你孩子将来用得上。

[春风吹]

Province tables bill to make Ottawa officially bilingual
Ontario government omnibus bill will also establish a French language university

社会的资源浪费也许是咱们渥太华孩子gain。

 

[Russophile]

这个Bill只会benefit这个社会的法裔人群，对大多数中国新移民一点好处都没有。今天推动市政厅bilingual，明天就会颁布个法律告诉你法语不会，就别想在社会上找个好工作！不信可以去看看魁北克省近50年的发展历史，蒙特利尔今天的落魄你就知道了，有多少有抱负的skilled workers和英裔加拿大人就是因为一个语言法案最后被迫离开了那座城市。你孩子在French Immersion里面学得就算再好，法语能比那些法裔加拿大人强吗？最后和法语有关的好工作还是被那些既得利益者拿去...语言这种东西本来就是没有个标准，与其花费大量时间金钱，还不如投资一些提升小孩个人素质的活动，免得成为一些政治家的牺牲品。

 

[ert0000]

终于知道咱村中小学在全国名次下降,某些方面几乎殿底的原因了, 孩子们花太多时间在法语了, 反而把最常用的数学和英语丢了.

 

[rjl]

除非一心想做政府工，否则不如学好中文将来有更广阔的天地。

 

[春风吹]

这个Bill只会benefit这个社会的法裔人群，对大多数中国新移民一点好处都没有。今天推动市政厅bilingual，明天就会颁布个法律告诉你法语不会，就别想在社会上找个好工作！不信可以去看看魁北克省近50年的发展历史，蒙特利尔今天的落魄你就知道了，有多少有抱负的skilled workers和英裔加拿大人就是因为一个语言法案最后被迫离开了那座城市。你孩子在French Immersion里面学得就算再好，法语能比那些法裔加拿大人强吗？最后和法语有关的好工作还是被那些既得利益者拿去...语言这种东西本来就是没有个标准，与其花费大量时间金钱，还不如投资一些提升小孩个人素质的活动，免得成为一些政治家的牺牲品。

成不成牺牲品真的不是老百姓说了算的。你看渥太华教育资源已经严重倾斜向fe，就是这几年的事儿。教育资源走到哪儿，你不跟着，那就得自己掏钱。而且剩下的多数是不在乎教育的家庭，不好混啊。

 

[笃悠悠]

成不成牺牲品真的不是老百姓说了算的。你看渥太华教育资源已经严重倾斜向fe，就是这几年的事儿。教育资源走到哪儿，你不跟着，那就得自己掏钱。而且剩下的多数是不在乎教育的家庭，不好混啊。

村里的FI GP从5年级开始， 英语GP从一年级开始，这渥太华教育资源就是如此向FI 倾斜的？

 

[春风吹]

GP? 极少数派，而且越来越少。能说明啥问题吗？
可以说说自己学校和自己周围的孩子是不是在经历一个French越来越霸道的年代？

 

[春风吹]

先看看名人评论
There's just one problem with French immersion ... well, several, actually


MARGARET WENTE
MARCH 24, 2017JUNE 4, 2016
Nothing is cuter than tiny tots speaking French. Their accents are impeccable. Their vocabulary is much larger than mine. I took French for years, and I can barely order lunch. These children are formidable! No wonder Canadian parents have gone crazy for French immersion. Who wouldn't want to raise a bilingual kid? Across the country, demand is soaring through the roof. Schools are scrambling to cope. In some districts, 25 per cent of the primary-school kids are in French immersion. School officials say there would be far more if they could only find more teachers.

Just one problem. Well, several, actually. For many parents, French immersion is a way to game the system. It filters out the kids with behavioural problems and special needs, along with the low achievers. In short, it's a form of streaming. Most French-immersion students are from affluent, high-achieving families that work hard to give their children an edge. And who can blame them? It sure beats forking over $27,220 a year for the Toronto French School (and that's for kindergarten).

Unfortunately, this selfish but entirely natural parental tendency is at total odds with the gospel of the Canadian school system, which strives to be equal and inclusive above all else. For schools, "streaming" is a dirty word. We are constantly assured that high-performing kids actually do better in classrooms that include all those other kids. And vice versa.


This tension between the school boards and the parents has created an impossible dilemma. Some schools' English-language programs are being hollowed out. In dual-track schools, they now have a much bigger ratio of disadvantaged, behavioural, etc. kids than the French programs do. The schools are being accused of entrenching inequality. As one immersion advocate told Maclean's, "If we're going to offer this program, how can we justify it if we don't give kids – from whatever background – the tools they need to succeed?"

What to do? Some school boards (Ottawa-Carleton, for example) have decided that the answer is to give everybody a little bit of French immersion in kindergarten, to see if they like it. The students will be only semi-immersed. But at least everyone will be equal.


French immersion was born during the age of Trudeau the First. The vision was of a bilingual nation, where citizens would be fluent in a second language. It was both inspiring and patriotic – part of a nation-building effort that would bind us together and broaden our horizons. Most Europeans manage to speak at least two languages, so why can't we? On top of that, research seemed to show that speaking a second language has significant cognitive benefits. Bilingualism makes you smarter! Today, the idea of French immersion as a magic smart pill is virtually unquestioned.

Sadly, there's not the slightest shred of evidence that French immersion has accomplished any of its lofty goals. After 40 years of ever-expanding immersion programs, the percentage of Canadians who can speak both official languages has dropped. At two of the Greater Toronto Area's largest school boards, half of French-immersion students bail out by Grade 8. By the time they graduate high school, only 10 per cent achieve proficiency in French (which is not the same as fluency).

The reasons for this miserable success rate are no mystery. Their entire world outside the classroom immerses kids in English. They play in English. They live in English. Everybody they know speaks English. If you want them to be bilingual, you'd better take them to live in France or Quebec – or at least make sure you're married to a French speaker.

The downsides to French immersion, though seldom mentioned, are also real. Kids who struggle with English will also struggle with French – and who needs that? Dual-track schools create separation, not cohesion – immigrant kids (who normally do not enroll) against Canadian-born ones, girls against boys (many of whom drop out). For an unvarnished account from a parent, read what Emma Waverman (who also writes a cooking column for The Globe) had to say in Today's Parent. Among her discoveries: The programs aren't very good. In the early years, they focus on rote memorization of vocabulary lists. Brighter kids are likely to get bored. Not all the teachers are terrific either.

Yet the dream lives on. As enrolment shrinks, school boards are desperate to keep parents happy so that they don't defect from the public system. Like all-day kindergarten – which was also supposed to make kids smarter – French immersion turns out to be too good to be true. But too many people have too much invested in it to say so.

FI教学在扩张，同时效果越来越差，
但是家长们趋之若鹜，因为。教委也乐得不断扩张。家长还能怎么办。
“Some schools' English-language programs are being hollowed out. In dual-track schools, they now have a much bigger ratio of disadvantaged, behavioural, etc. kids than the French programs do.”

所有这些都要感谢老土豆。涨学问。“French immersion was born during the age of Trudeau the First. ”

 

[笃悠悠]

GP? 极少数派，而且越来越少。能说明啥问题吗？
可以说说自己学校和自己周围的孩子是不是在经历一个French越来越霸道的年代？

村里FI 英语 学校的消长反应的是需求的变化，以前上FI 的学生少，现在是上FI的学生多。什么叫教育资源向FI 倾斜，同为OCDSB的学校，难道FI 的老师挣得的比英语学校的老师多？FI学校 校舍不够，学生混班在板房里上课，这就是传说中的霸道？ GP 少数，GP 最花钱的是交通费，那才是实打实的资源，

 

[Russophile]

因为个人教育背景原因，在魁省大大小小城市工作多年，可以用一个单词来形容加拿大的法裔- xenophobic。 我个人从来不觉得多学法文就是重视教育，除非你孩子在魁北克出生长大，或者你就是强烈希望以后孩子在法语区或者政府文职工作。渥村的很多华人朋友不懂法语，对法裔和加拿大双语政治有一种盲目的“憧憬”。如果学好法语真的能给一个国家或者个人带来提升的话，蒙特利尔或者整个魁北克省也不至于经济排在整个加拿大倒数行列里面。 Think about it!

 

[笃悠悠]

先看看名人评论
There's just one problem with French immersion ... well, several, actually


MARGARET WENTE
MARCH 24, 2017JUNE 4, 2016
Nothing is cuter than tiny tots speaking French. Their accents are impeccable. Their vocabulary is much larger than mine. I took French for years, and I can barely order lunch. These children are formidable! No wonder Canadian parents have gone crazy for French immersion. Who wouldn't want to raise a bilingual kid? Across the country, demand is soaring through the roof. Schools are scrambling to cope. In some districts, 25 per cent of the primary-school kids are in French immersion. School officials say there would be far more if they could only find more teachers.

Just one problem. Well, several, actually. For many parents, French immersion is a way to game the system. It filters out the kids with behavioural problems and special needs, along with the low achievers. In short, it's a form of streaming. Most French-immersion students are from affluent, high-achieving families that work hard to give their children an edge. And who can blame them? It sure beats forking over $27,220 a year for the Toronto French School (and that's for kindergarten).

Unfortunately, this selfish but entirely natural parental tendency is at total odds with the gospel of the Canadian school system, which strives to be equal and inclusive above all else. For schools, "streaming" is a dirty word. We are constantly assured that high-performing kids actually do better in classrooms that include all those other kids. And vice versa.


This tension between the school boards and the parents has created an impossible dilemma. Some schools' English-language programs are being hollowed out. In dual-track schools, they now have a much bigger ratio of disadvantaged, behavioural, etc. kids than the French programs do. The schools are being accused of entrenching inequality. As one immersion advocate told Maclean's, "If we're going to offer this program, how can we justify it if we don't give kids – from whatever background – the tools they need to succeed?"

What to do? Some school boards (Ottawa-Carleton, for example) have decided that the answer is to give everybody a little bit of French immersion in kindergarten, to see if they like it. The students will be only semi-immersed. But at least everyone will be equal.


French immersion was born during the age of Trudeau the First. The vision was of a bilingual nation, where citizens would be fluent in a second language. It was both inspiring and patriotic – part of a nation-building effort that would bind us together and broaden our horizons. Most Europeans manage to speak at least two languages, so why can't we? On top of that, research seemed to show that speaking a second language has significant cognitive benefits. Bilingualism makes you smarter! Today, the idea of French immersion as a magic smart pill is virtually unquestioned.

Sadly, there's not the slightest shred of evidence that French immersion has accomplished any of its lofty goals. After 40 years of ever-expanding immersion programs, the percentage of Canadians who can speak both official languages has dropped. At two of the Greater Toronto Area's largest school boards, half of French-immersion students bail out by Grade 8. By the time they graduate high school, only 10 per cent achieve proficiency in French (which is not the same as fluency).

The reasons for this miserable success rate are no mystery. Their entire world outside the classroom immerses kids in English. They play in English. They live in English. Everybody they know speaks English. If you want them to be bilingual, you'd better take them to live in France or Quebec – or at least make sure you're married to a French speaker.

The downsides to French immersion, though seldom mentioned, are also real. Kids who struggle with English will also struggle with French – and who needs that? Dual-track schools create separation, not cohesion – immigrant kids (who normally do not enroll) against Canadian-born ones, girls against boys (many of whom drop out). For an unvarnished account from a parent, read what Emma Waverman (who also writes a cooking column for The Globe) had to say in Today's Parent. Among her discoveries: The programs aren't very good. In the early years, they focus on rote memorization of vocabulary lists. Brighter kids are likely to get bored. Not all the teachers are terrific either.

Yet the dream lives on. As enrolment shrinks, school boards are desperate to keep parents happy so that they don't defect from the public system. Like all-day kindergarten – which was also supposed to make kids smarter – French immersion turns out to be too good to be true. But too many people have too much invested in it to say so.

FI教学在扩张，同时效果越来越差，
但是家长们趋之若鹜，因为。教委也乐得不断扩张。家长还能怎么办。
“Some schools' English-language programs are being hollowed out. In dual-track schools, they now have a much bigger ratio of disadvantaged, behavioural, etc. kids than the French programs do.”

所有这些都要感谢老土豆。涨学问。“French immersion was born during the age of Trudeau the First. ”

上什么学还要听名人说什么，有人强迫你读FI 么？

 

[春风吹]

这是政治正确的历史洪流啊。我支持。大家都别去法浸。哈哈。顺应历史。

 

[笃悠悠]

因为个人教育背景原因，在魁省大大小小城市工作多年，可以用一个单词来形容加拿大的法裔- xenophobic。 我个人从来不觉得多学法文就是重视教育，除非你孩子在魁北克出生长大，或者你就是强烈希望以后孩子在法语区或者政府文职工作。渥村的很多华人朋友不懂法语，对法裔和加拿大双语政治有一种盲目的“憧憬”。如果学好法语真的能给一个国家或者个人带来提升的话，蒙特利尔或者整个魁北克省也不至于经济排在整个加拿大倒数行列里面。 Think about it!

除了安省，哪个省的GDP比魁省高？

 

[春风吹]

关于fi的问题已经全在英文文章里了。大家各取所需吧。

 

[rottenmelon]

认识几个法国老人 他们很惊讶为啥么你们中国人不去传承中文 却去FI学法语 我想法语区那些也这么认为的吧