警告式的判罚。移民孩子别折腾?

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Teen who started massive Oregon wildfire with fireworks must pay $36 million, judge rules



By Marwa EltagouriMay 21 at 7:21 PMEmail the author
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Stunning video captures wildfire ravaging Oregon


A wildfire burned through Oregon on Sept. 5, 2017. A judge ordered on May 21 that a teen who admitted to starting the blaze pay over $36 million in restitution. (Thomas Johnson/The Washington Post)

When a teenager hurled fireworks into a parched canyon near one of Oregon’s most scenic hiking trails, sparking a cloud of smoke to rise up toward him and his friends, some in the group reportedly giggled and recorded video, oblivious to the danger.

What came next was a wildfire that raged through the Columbia River Gorge and, eight months later, a court order mandating the teen pay more than $36 million in restitution.

Hood River County Circuit Judge John A. Olson, in an opinion released Monday, acknowledged that the teen could not pay that full amount. But the damage caused by the Sept. 2 fire was substantial: After the firework ignited dry bush, a blaze spread to more than 48,000 acres, wrecking many parts of the gorge’s recreation area and costing firefighters at least $20 million, the Oregonian reported last fall. It would be known as the Eagle Creek fire, which burned for two months and was not 100 percent contained until Nov. 30.

destroyed the Oneonta Tunnel on the Historic Columbia River Highway, about 30 miles east of Portland. It forced hundreds of people to evacuate to cities between Portland and Hood River, Ore., closed Interstate 84 for 10 days, and threatened 5,000 homes and buildings, according to the Oregonian. At least four homes were destroyed.

In Portland, ash fell from the sky like snow, evoking memories of the eruptions of Mount St. Helens in 1980, according to Willamette Week. In Cascade Locks, a summer tourist destination near the Columbia River, businesses took an estimated hit of more than $2 million, the Oregonian reported.

[Police believe they know who started wildfire that made it rain ash in Oregon: Giggling teens]

The teen’s mother told the Oregonian in November that the fire was “a trauma” for her 15-year-old son, who authorities at the time suspected caused the fire, and that “it was his mistake.” She didn’t elaborate, fearing public backlash against their large Ukrainian family and the boy’s school-age siblings.

In February, the teen admitted to eight counts of reckless burning of public and private property, two counts of depositing burning material on forest land, and counts of second-degree criminal mischief and recklessly endangering another hiker, according to court records. He was sentenced to five years of probation and 1,920 hours of community service with the U.S. Forest Service, according to the Oregonian. He was also ordered to write apology letters to 152 people who because of the flames were trapped on the Eagle Creek trail, as well as to the city of Cascade Locks, the Forest Service, Oregon State Parks, the Confederated Tribes of Warm Springs, and the state’s transportation department, among other groups.

His attorneys have said that the $36 million restitution amount is steep, arguing that such a number violated the U.S. and Oregon constitutions, believing the amount to be “cruel and unusual punishment,” according to court records. But Olson in his opinion wrote the restitution was “clearly proportionate to the offense because it does not exceed the financial damages caused by the youth.”

The restitution, he wrote, includes more than $21 million on behalf of the U.S. Forest Service, $12.5 million to the Oregon Department of Transportation, more than $1.6 million to the Oregon State Fire Marshal, more than $1 million to Union Pacific Railroad and varying amounts to Oregon State Parks, Allstate Insurance and Iris Schenk, who lost her home in the fire.

Schenk’s daughter, Carrie, told KATU News shortly after their Warrendale, Ore., house burned that she saw the flames heading toward her and fled, taking only her dogs and a few personal things. Schenk went to Portland to stay with family before returning to the home to see what remained.

“Right now she doesn’t think it’s real. She thinks it’s a nightmare,” Schenk’s daughter said. “And she said she had a feeling it was gone that night when she went to bed she’s like — she had a funny feeling that it wasn’t going to be there when she woke up, and she was right.”

Olson noted in his opinion that the teen has some options for paying off the millions. The court could authorize a supervising authority to create a payment plan, he wrote. He also said it was possible for the teen to pay restitution for just 10 years if he successfully completed his probation, complied with payment plans and did not commit any other offenses.
 
罚款力度大就和移民有关系了?什么逻辑?:tx:
 
见过这么大力度的惩罚未成年的吗?有就拿出证据。
我在标题,每个帖子里全部使用问号。就是讨论这词绝无仅有的超高力度的判罚之后是否有政治因素。


有料就说。聊逻辑哈哈。
 
Post Nation
Teen who started massive Oregon wildfire with fireworks must pay $36 million, judge rules



By Marwa EltagouriMay 21 at 7:21 PMEmail the author
0:58

Stunning video captures wildfire ravaging Oregon


A wildfire burned through Oregon on Sept. 5, 2017. A judge ordered on May 21 that a teen who admitted to starting the blaze pay over $36 million in restitution. (Thomas Johnson/The Washington Post)

When a teenager hurled fireworks into a parched canyon near one of Oregon’s most scenic hiking trails, sparking a cloud of smoke to rise up toward him and his friends, some in the group reportedly giggled and recorded video, oblivious to the danger.

What came next was a wildfire that raged through the Columbia River Gorge and, eight months later, a court order mandating the teen pay more than $36 million in restitution.

Hood River County Circuit Judge John A. Olson, in an opinion released Monday, acknowledged that the teen could not pay that full amount. But the damage caused by the Sept. 2 fire was substantial: After the firework ignited dry bush, a blaze spread to more than 48,000 acres, wrecking many parts of the gorge’s recreation area and costing firefighters at least $20 million, the Oregonian reported last fall. It would be known as the Eagle Creek fire, which burned for two months and was not 100 percent contained until Nov. 30.

destroyed the Oneonta Tunnel on the Historic Columbia River Highway, about 30 miles east of Portland. It forced hundreds of people to evacuate to cities between Portland and Hood River, Ore., closed Interstate 84 for 10 days, and threatened 5,000 homes and buildings, according to the Oregonian. At least four homes were destroyed.

In Portland, ash fell from the sky like snow, evoking memories of the eruptions of Mount St. Helens in 1980, according to Willamette Week. In Cascade Locks, a summer tourist destination near the Columbia River, businesses took an estimated hit of more than $2 million, the Oregonian reported.

[Police believe they know who started wildfire that made it rain ash in Oregon: Giggling teens]

The teen’s mother told the Oregonian in November that the fire was “a trauma” for her 15-year-old son, who authorities at the time suspected caused the fire, and that “it was his mistake.” She didn’t elaborate, fearing public backlash against their large Ukrainian family and the boy’s school-age siblings.

In February, the teen admitted to eight counts of reckless burning of public and private property, two counts of depositing burning material on forest land, and counts of second-degree criminal mischief and recklessly endangering another hiker, according to court records. He was sentenced to five years of probation and 1,920 hours of community service with the U.S. Forest Service, according to the Oregonian. He was also ordered to write apology letters to 152 people who because of the flames were trapped on the Eagle Creek trail, as well as to the city of Cascade Locks, the Forest Service, Oregon State Parks, the Confederated Tribes of Warm Springs, and the state’s transportation department, among other groups.

His attorneys have said that the $36 million restitution amount is steep, arguing that such a number violated the U.S. and Oregon constitutions, believing the amount to be “cruel and unusual punishment,” according to court records. But Olson in his opinion wrote the restitution was “clearly proportionate to the offense because it does not exceed the financial damages caused by the youth.”

The restitution, he wrote, includes more than $21 million on behalf of the U.S. Forest Service, $12.5 million to the Oregon Department of Transportation, more than $1.6 million to the Oregon State Fire Marshal, more than $1 million to Union Pacific Railroad and varying amounts to Oregon State Parks, Allstate Insurance and Iris Schenk, who lost her home in the fire.

Schenk’s daughter, Carrie, told KATU News shortly after their Warrendale, Ore., house burned that she saw the flames heading toward her and fled, taking only her dogs and a few personal things. Schenk went to Portland to stay with family before returning to the home to see what remained.

“Right now she doesn’t think it’s real. She thinks it’s a nightmare,” Schenk’s daughter said. “And she said she had a feeling it was gone that night when she went to bed she’s like — she had a funny feeling that it wasn’t going to be there when she woke up, and she was right.”

Olson noted in his opinion that the teen has some options for paying off the millions. The court could authorize a supervising authority to create a payment plan, he wrote. He also said it was possible for the teen to pay restitution for just 10 years if he successfully completed his probation, complied with payment plans and did not commit any other offenses.
你敢说法官不是移民?移民之间的争斗罢了。

贫下中农之间也会闹矛盾, 那还是都是阶级兄弟呢。 何况同是移民阶层的人乎?
 
谁敢说呢,老移民反对新移民的事有的是。

但是作为法官要冒尖,就要提供冒尖的事实,法律,政治,民意基础。否则,超重罚就很难服人。

1,文章里写的很清楚,当地民意汹涌,民意这一条有了。
2,事实这一条,虽然有点别扭,也算有了。可能是先诱供(让他以为没那么严重),供了之后,突然超重惩罚。
3,法律,只要不超出事件损失,也很难矫情。所有损失都一一记录,精确到分。
4,政治与和政治上的动机,这一条是唯一剩下的活口。是不是有政治倾向(国家,个人层面)在推动这一判罚?
 
诱供?你想多了,熊孩子自己拍了视频上传了的
你的4条,诱供是你脑补的,政治倾向是你脑补的。也就是说,除了你脑部的东西,没有任何事实支持你的观点
还有,法官为什么要冒尖?

谁敢说呢,老移民反对新移民的事有的是。

但是作为法官要冒尖,就要提供冒尖的事实,法律,政治,民意基础。否则,超重罚就很难服人。

1,文章里写的很清楚,当地民意汹涌,民意这一条有了。
2,事实这一条,虽然有点别扭,也算有了。可能是先诱供(让他以为没那么严重),供了之后,突然超重惩罚。
3,法律,只要不超出事件损失,也很难矫情。所有损失都一一记录,精确到分。
4,政治与和政治上的动机,这一条是唯一剩下的活口。是不是有政治倾向(国家,个人层面)在推动这一判罚?
 
诱供?你想多了,熊孩子自己拍了视频上传了的
你的4条,诱供是你脑补的,政治倾向是你脑补的。也就是说,除了你脑部的东西,没有任何事实支持你的观点
还有,法官为什么要冒尖?

法官已经冒尖了。我坐等有没有人给出案例法世界,类似的重罚。
 
诱供?你想多了,熊孩子自己拍了视频上传了的
你的4条,诱供是你脑补的,政治倾向是你脑补的。也就是说,除了你脑部的东西,没有任何事实支持你的观点
还有,法官为什么要冒尖?
我没有观点,只是分析。
哈哈,哪里有脑部,我只是没有用屁股说话。
分析是涵盖所有可能。
具体辩论和论据要看法庭他的律师了。
 
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谁敢说呢,老移民反对新移民的事有的是。

但是作为法官要冒尖,就要提供冒尖的事实,法律,政治,民意基础。否则,超重罚就很难服人。

1,文章里写的很清楚,当地民意汹涌,民意这一条有了。
2,事实这一条,虽然有点别扭,也算有了。可能是先诱供(让他以为没那么严重),供了之后,突然超重惩罚。
3,法律,只要不超出事件损失,也很难矫情。所有损失都一一记录,精确到分。
4,政治与和政治上的动机,这一条是唯一剩下的活口。是不是有政治倾向(国家,个人层面)在推动这一判罚?
你这话说的, 好像法官是个非移民, 土生土长的北美人? 你心里知道, 但是却不敢说?
你就是敢说他不是移民, 他也一样是移民啊, 这事儿是事实,跟你敢不敢说没关系。

这种破事儿就是移民间的破事儿,新移民, 老移民;老移民, 新移民, 一团乱麻, 你管他干啥?
 
我哪里知道他是不是移民,不关心。我只知道他/她/。。。。。是法官。
其实我关心的是,美国在政府层面,在justice领域是不是已经出现极右势力。在联邦领域,我没有看到。在地方,没有看到,在法庭,我在观察。

你这话说的, 好像法官是个非移民, 土生土长的北美人? 你心里知道, 但是却不敢说?
你就是敢说他不是移民, 他也一样是移民啊, 这事儿是事实,跟你敢不敢说没关系。

这种破事儿就是移民间的破事儿,新移民, 老移民;老移民, 新移民, 一团乱麻, 你管他干啥?
 
我哪里知道他是不是移民,不关心。我只知道他/她/。。。。。是法官。
其实我关心的是,美国在政府层面,在justice领域是不是已经出现极右势力。在联邦领域,我没有看到。在地方,没有看到,在法庭,我在观察。
是不是法官, 他都是移民;
你关心,他是移民, 不关心, 他还是移民;
极右也是移民, 极左也是移民。。。。

歧视,和仇恨, 那也是移民歧视移民,移民仇恨移民;
关爱,和公平, 那也是移民见的关系。

总之, 还是我说的那句话, 都是移民间的事儿罢了。 没必要观察。 观察移民,还不如观察蚂蚁。
 
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