Something was wrong in North America 17 years ago.

[zhangulei]

之后，有人种族仇恨，有人圣母，有人不愿面对，有人推行排外，有人推行反理性反法律。极端思潮撕裂美国。

美国的道路只有一条，中间道路，左了，最终必须回归。追随理性而不是追随主义，追随理念。川普胜出正是理性路线的回归，不是他个人多么理性，而是美国整体的理性回归。政治正确终于不再窃居美国社会throne。希望美国理性回归有始有终吧。

 

[New Person]

'War On Terror' by the numbers: What the response to 9/11 attack has cost so far

17 years on

It has been 17 years since two hijacked passenger aircraft cut across a brilliant Manhattan morning sky and slammed into the Twin Towers.

The first, American Airlines Flight 11, plunged into the south tower at 8:46 a.m.

The second, United Airlines Flight 175, struck the north tower 17 minutes later as confused office workers, firefighters and police struggled to figure out what was going on.

Firemen work around the World Trade Center after both towers collapsed in New York on Sept. 11, 2001. (Peter Morgan/Reuters)A half-hour after that, another commandeered jet — American Airlines Flight 77 — crashed into the side of the Pentagon, across the Potomac from Washington, D.C.
By the time United Airlines Flight 93 nose-dived into a field outside Shanksville, Pa., the south tower of the World Trade Center had already collapsed. The north tower followed at 10:28 a.m. eastern.

In all, 2,977 people, including 26 Canadians, fell victim to the deadliest act of aggression on American soil since Pearl Harbour.

From start to finish, the 9/11 attacks lasted just 102 minutes.

The War On Terror that President George W. Bush launched in response has been going on for 6,183 days, 11 years longer than the Second World War.

U.S. President George W. Bush speaks to rescue workers, firefighters and police officers from the rubble of Ground Zero on Sept. 14, 2001, in New York City. (Eric Draper/Getty Images)A recent estimate of the cost of America's wars since 2001 — some directly related to 9/11, others aligned to broader goals — puts the price of military interventions in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, plus the increased security at home, at $5.6 trillion US as of the end of this month.
In Afghanistan, where the fighting started and hasn't stopped, 3,557 NATO coalition soldiers have been killed since 2001, including 158 Canadians.

The death toll for the Afghan Army and police has been much higher — as estimated 25,000 between 2012 and 2016 alone.

There have been a further 4,866 allied military dead in Iraq — 4,543 of them Americans.

U.S. Army soldiers from the 2nd Platoon, B battery 2-8 field artillery, fire a howitzer at Seprwan Ghar forward fire base in Panjwai district, southern Afghanistan, on June 12, 2011. (Baz Ratner/Reuters)It's impossible to say how many Taliban or al-Qaeda fighters have been killed.
Ditto for members of the various and ever-evolving militant factions in Iraq. Last year, one former senior U.S. military commander estimated that ISIS had lost "between 60,000 and 70,000" soldiers in Iraq and Syria.

Civilian deaths are likely even higher.

One site that uses local news reports to track casualties puts the number of civilian deaths in Iraq at between 182,000 and 204,000 since 2003, including 2,500 people killed so far in 2018.

An Afghan boy cries during a funeral of members of his family in Logar province on March 27, 2013. (Reuters)In Afghanistan, the numbers are harder to come by. A 2016 report estimated that almost 31,500 civilians had died inside the country since 2001, and a further 22,000 had been killed in neighbouring Pakistan.
The UN, which has been tracking deaths in Afghanistan since 2007, issued its latest tally in July, finding that 1,692 civilians had been killed through the first six months of 2018, a record high.

 

[ccc]

美国防空识别不咋地。

 

[ccc]

Something was very wrong.

 

[zhangulei]

无心。

 

[ccc]

之后，有人种族仇恨，有人圣母，有人不愿面对，有人推行排外，有人推行反理性反法律。极端思潮撕裂美国。

美国的道路只有一条，中间道路，左了，最终必须回归。追随理性而不是追随主义，追随理念。川普胜出正是理性路线的回归，不是他个人多么理性，而是美国整体的理性回归。政治正确终于不再窃居美国社会throne。希望美国理性回归有始有终吧。

政治正确造成911？

 

[zhangulei]

无心。

 

[GuardianAngel]

之后，有人种族仇恨，有人圣母，有人不愿面对，有人推行排外，有人推行反理性反法律。极端思潮撕裂美国。

美国的道路只有一条，中间道路，左了，最终必须回归。追随理性而不是追随主义，追随理念。川普胜出正是理性路线的回归，不是他个人多么理性，而是美国整体的理性回归。政治正确终于不再窃居美国社会throne。希望美国理性回归有始有终吧。

9.11的确改变了这个世界。
2001至今，感觉这些年是比较奇怪。。。不知道是因为以前太年轻没感觉，还是这些年的确这世界有点不对劲。


9.11导致了这世界在左边大道上的狂奔，是不是比较奇怪？

 

[ndsids]

Not in Canada

 

[小地主]

Something was very wrong.

Indeed..

 

[zhangulei]

9.11的确改变了这个世界。
2001至今，感觉这些年是比较奇怪。。。不知道是因为以前太年轻没感觉，还是这些年的确这世界有点不对劲。


9.11导致了这世界在左边大道上的狂奔，是不是比较奇怪？

西方左向并不是911造成的。西方首先有二战的余荫，注定了左向是整体大方向。

其次，西方有左向的财富基础。中国左向10几年，就饿死多少人？左不下去了。
再次，左向一旦开始，就越来越左，直到极端，这在民主国家几乎就是定理。

911的作用不是定向左右，而是极端化。

从此，社会左派右派都有极端化自己的主义和理念的动机和行为。政府左派做到极致，极右派也在民间出现。其实，袭击，反击，对内防卫穆斯林极端宗教，对外修正外交和中东政策打击极端教派。这就可以了。被打一拳，打回去一拳，然后学聪明了，不要再次被打。

但是之后，左派利用被政治正确的长期洗脑的善良民众，开始了摧毁一切边界的大跃进。如今到了维护边境法律，居然会被指责为法西斯的地步。可见一斑。

极左了，极右也就不远了。

911 的作用不是左或右，是将社会稳定最重要的理性因素弱化，使得美国分裂，左右极端化。

 

[GuardianAngel]

西方左向并不是911造成的。西方首先有二战的余荫，注定了左向是整体大方向。

其次，西方有左向的财富基础。中国左向10几年，就饿死多少人？左不下去了。
再次，左向一旦开始，就越来越左，直到极端，这在民主国家几乎就是定理。

911的作用不是定向左右，而是极端化。

从此，社会左派右派都有极端化自己的主义和理念的动机和行为。政府左派做到极致，极右派也在民间出现。其实，袭击，反击，对内防卫穆斯林极端宗教，对外修正外交和中东政策打击极端教派。这就可以了。被打一拳，打回去一拳，然后学聪明了，不要再次被打。

但是之后，左派利用被政治正确的长期洗脑的善良民众，开始了摧毁一切边界的大跃进。如今到了维护边境法律，居然会被指责为法西斯的地步。可见一斑。

极左了，极右也就不远了。

911 的作用不是左或右，是将社会稳定最重要的理性因素弱化，使得美国分裂，左右极端化。

在这个大环境中，我并不觉得有极右的可能性。少数的极右势力，完全成不了任何气候

 

[zhangulei]

在这个大环境中，我并不觉得有极右的可能性。少数的极右势力，完全成不了任何气候

所以我说，你北美不会有政府政党极右。但是民间极右已经出现。
在欧洲，因为政府极左的后果比北美更明显，民间极右已经不可忽视了。