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Former intelligence officials are expressing doubts that Paul Whelan, a Canadian citizen who has been detained in Moscow on espionage charges, is a spy, but they're also puzzled about what he was doing in Russia.

"Nobody has figured out what his MO is and what he's about," said Joseph Augustyn, a retired CIA official who spent 28 years as a member of the agency's clandestine service and director of its defector resettlement centre.

But is he a spy working with the CIA or another branch of the U.S. government to gather intelligence?

"No, absolutely not," Augustyn said.

Although Canadian-born, Whelan lived and worked most of his life in the U.S. and also holds U.S., British and Irish citizenship.

Kevin Hulbert, a former senior intelligence officer in the CIA's directorate of operations, agreed.

"There's nothing in this guy's background that would make me think he was working officially for any part of the intelligence community," Hulbert said.

'Far fetched'
He said it's "far fetched" that the intelligence community would select someone to do espionage who has not been given diplomatic immunity, and whose background includes a dishonourable discharge from the military.

Whelan, a 48-year-old global security director for a U.S. auto parts company, was arrested a week ago in Moscow. An ex-U.S. marine, Whelan had taken a group of wedding guests on a tour of the Kremlin museums in the morning before he was arrested, the BBC reported.


paul-whelan-former-marine.jpg

In 2008, Whelan was given a bad-conduct discharge from the U.S. military. (Submitted by David Whelan)

He is alleged to have worked as a spy for ten years and to have been caught with a memory card containing a classified list of secret Russian operatives, ABC News reported, citing Rosbalt, the Russian news agency.

Whelan maintained an account in VKontakte, a Russian social media network, which showed he had a circle of Russian acquaintances. Those included software engineers and people who worked in the IT sector, including some who had ties to the defence and security sectors.

While serving as an administrative clerk in Iraq in 2006, Whelan was accused of attempting to steal more than $10,000 US. He was also accused of using a false Social Security number on a U.S. government computer system and using a false account on the system to grade his own examinations.

Bad conduct discharge
In 2008, he was given a bad-conduct discharge from the U.S. military.

"Just based on his background, as someone who is court martialed ... from the marines, without a university background as far as I can tell," he is not the kind of person who would be hired as a U.S. spy, John Sipher, a former CIA station chief, told CBC's As It Happens.

"If he was doing undercover work, it wasn't on behalf of U.S. or Western intelligence. It could be for his own purposes, or he wanted to get something that he thought could make him attractive to come to Western intelligence services and maybe take him seriously."

However, Hulbert said the CIA would also balk at any well-intentioned U.S. citizen who came forward to say they could go into Russia and procure information.

"If you ever tried to say: 'If you ever come across something, we'd sure be interested in it' — it would wind up being a disaster.

"We would never in a million years say 'Yeah what the heck, why not? Go for it. Or task any civilian, nonprofessional in a role like that. Especially in a place like Moscow or China, because you know the stakes are really, really high."

"Even if he volunteered, we'd run the other way and would say 'Thanks very much, but no thanks.'"

'Doesn't fit the profile'
Andrew Ellis, a former assistant director of CSIS, said he also doubts that Whelan would have any affiliation with the CIA because "his tradecraft is appalling."

"He just doesn't fit the profile. He's not professional enough to be CIA," said Ellis.

"I think he was a voyeuristic adventure-seeker who liked to have fun. And was showing off to people, taking them to museums. An intel officer is not going to do that.

"He was available and in the wrong place at the wrong time."

There's been some speculation that Whelan was picked up to facilitate an exchange with Russian national Maria Butina. Butina admitted last month to U.S. prosecutors that she had tried to infiltrate U.S. conservative groups as an agent for Moscow. Butina pleaded guilty on Dec. 13 to a conspiracy charge as part of a deal with federal prosecutors.


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Maria Butina appears in a police booking photograph released by the Alexandria Sheriff's Office in Alexandria, Va., in August. (Alexandria Sheriff's Office/Reuters)

'Low-hanging fruit'

"[The Russians] can't let this Butina thing go unanswered. And so in many ways, it's tit for tat. I mean this guy is low-hanging fruit for the Russians," said Augustyn.

"He's messing around in Russia. He's meeting people he shouldn't be meeting. He has this Facebook thing. If they're going to finger anybody, why not this guy?"

But under Butina's co-operation agreement, she is likely to be released in the coming months and deported to Russia — meaning a swap with Whelan would be unnecessary, The New York Times reported.

"The U.S. wouldn't entertain the idea of swapping him for [Butina] who we know is guilty," Hulbert said. "That would be making some tacit acknowledgement that the cases are similar."

Instead, Whelan may have just been picked up because he ran afoul of Russian authorities who thought they could make an example of him, he said.
 
春长,两个问题:
1。普京抓这人,是跟美国抓的哪位间谍有对应关系?
2。普京不是刚刚说。。不会用互抓人质这个损招么? :monster:
@向问天 请老向回答。。:evil:
 
春长,两个问题:
1。普京抓这人,是跟美国抓的哪位间谍有对应关系?
2。普京不是刚刚说。。不会用互抓人质这个损招么? :monster:
@向问天 请老向回答。。:evil:

呵呵,这恰恰是俄罗斯人的长项。
 
春长,两个问题:
1。普京抓这人,是跟美国抓的哪位间谍有对应关系?
2。普京不是刚刚说。。不会用互抓人质这个损招么? :monster:
@向问天 请老向回答。。:evil:


不抓人质,难道真间谍也不抓了吗?
 
估计这哥们儿是孤身去寻找pee pee tape的。。。不是有个USB吗?
 
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Former intelligence officials are expressing doubts that Paul Whelan, a Canadian citizen who has been detained in Moscow on espionage charges, is a spy, but they're also puzzled about what he was doing in Russia.

"Nobody has figured out what his MO is and what he's about," said Joseph Augustyn, a retired CIA official who spent 28 years as a member of the agency's clandestine service and director of its defector resettlement centre.

But is he a spy working with the CIA or another branch of the U.S. government to gather intelligence?

"No, absolutely not," Augustyn said.

Although Canadian-born, Whelan lived and worked most of his life in the U.S. and also holds U.S., British and Irish citizenship.

Kevin Hulbert, a former senior intelligence officer in the CIA's directorate of operations, agreed.
春长,两个问题:
1。普京抓这人,是跟美国抓的哪位间谍有对应关系?
2。普京不是刚刚说。。不会用互抓人质这个损招么? :monster:
@向问天 请老向回答。。:evil:


"There's nothing in this guy's background that would make me think he was working officially for any part of the intelligence community," Hulbert said.

'Far fetched'
He said it's "far fetched" that the intelligence community would select someone to do espionage who has not been given diplomatic immunity, and whose background includes a dishonourable discharge from the military.

Whelan, a 48-year-old global security director for a U.S. auto parts company, was arrested a week ago in Moscow. An ex-U.S. marine, Whelan had taken a group of wedding guests on a tour of the Kremlin museums in the morning before he was arrested, the BBC reported.


paul-whelan-former-marine.jpg

In 2008, Whelan was given a bad-conduct discharge from the U.S. military. (Submitted by David Whelan)

He is alleged to have worked as a spy for ten years and to have been caught with a memory card containing a classified list of secret Russian operatives, ABC News reported, citing Rosbalt, the Russian news agency.

Whelan maintained an account in VKontakte, a Russian social media network, which showed he had a circle of Russian acquaintances. Those included software engineers and people who worked in the IT sector, including some who had ties to the defence and security sectors.

While serving as an administrative clerk in Iraq in 2006, Whelan was accused of attempting to steal more than $10,000 US. He was also accused of using a false Social Security number on a U.S. government computer system and using a false account on the system to grade his own examinations.

Bad conduct discharge
In 2008, he was given a bad-conduct discharge from the U.S. military.

"Just based on his background, as someone who is court martialed ... from the marines, without a university background as far as I can tell," he is not the kind of person who would be hired as a U.S. spy, John Sipher, a former CIA station chief, told CBC's As It Happens.

"If he was doing undercover work, it wasn't on behalf of U.S. or Western intelligence. It could be for his own purposes, or he wanted to get something that he thought could make him attractive to come to Western intelligence services and maybe take him seriously."

However, Hulbert said the CIA would also balk at any well-intentioned U.S. citizen who came forward to say they could go into Russia and procure information.

"If you ever tried to say: 'If you ever come across something, we'd sure be interested in it' — it would wind up being a disaster.

"We would never in a million years say 'Yeah what the heck, why not? Go for it. Or task any civilian, nonprofessional in a role like that. Especially in a place like Moscow or China, because you know the stakes are really, really high."

"Even if he volunteered, we'd run the other way and would say 'Thanks very much, but no thanks.'"

'Doesn't fit the profile'
Andrew Ellis, a former assistant director of CSIS, said he also doubts that Whelan would have any affiliation with the CIA because "his tradecraft is appalling."

"He just doesn't fit the profile. He's not professional enough to be CIA," said Ellis.

"I think he was a voyeuristic adventure-seeker who liked to have fun. And was showing off to people, taking them to museums. An intel officer is not going to do that.

"He was available and in the wrong place at the wrong time."

There's been some speculation that Whelan was picked up to facilitate an exchange with Russian national Maria Butina. Butina admitted last month to U.S. prosecutors that she had tried to infiltrate U.S. conservative groups as an agent for Moscow. Butina pleaded guilty on Dec. 13 to a conspiracy charge as part of a deal with federal prosecutors.


usa-russia-butina.jpg
Maria Butina appears in a police booking photograph released by the Alexandria Sheriff's Office in Alexandria, Va., in August. (Alexandria Sheriff's Office/Reuters)

'Low-hanging fruit'

"[The Russians] can't let this Butina thing go unanswered. And so in many ways, it's tit for tat. I mean this guy is low-hanging fruit for the Russians," said Augustyn.

"He's messing around in Russia. He's meeting people he shouldn't be meeting. He has this Facebook thing. If they're going to finger anybody, why not this guy?"

But under Butina's co-operation agreement, she is likely to be released in the coming months and deported to Russia — meaning a swap with Whelan would be unnecessary, The New York Times reported.

"The U.S. wouldn't entertain the idea of swapping him for [Butina] who we know is guilty," Hulbert said. "That would be making some tacit acknowledgement that the cases are similar."

Instead, Whelan may have just been picked up because he ran afoul of Russian authorities who thought they could make an example of him, he said.

没听见加拿大BB啊
 
猫有九命。这才四国。还得加油才行。
 
他有四个国籍。其他国家要求立即释放了吗?
 
各个间谍机构都说他不符合间谍的特征,所以可能是freelance的“间谍”。


大家都说他不像间谍,这是间谍的最高境界。
 
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