"Huawei's Meng Wanzhou expected to plead guilty today in U.S. court"

[ottawatiger]

抓孟， 极有可能不是懂王的意思。

有可能，但对他来说也多了一张好牌。

 

[马甲190]

对美国引渡请求，加拿大没选的。
道义上兄弟的忙要帮，法理上引渡必须处理。

所以中国制裁加拿大要求放人，是没有用的，抓一百个麦克也不管用。
可能国内宣传需要。

好像其他的五眼国家也受到了类似的要求，但只有加拿大最老实。当然加拿大收美国影响最大也是事实。

 

[马甲190]

有可能，但对他来说也多了一张好牌。

最好的牌不就是我想抓，但不是我抓的吗

 

[ottawatiger]

现在不是已经成功了嘛。 事实摆在面前。

两麦克有分量，但不是主要的。

 

[GlobeCitizen]

some interesting comments under

Meng Wanzhou agreed to the deal in a Brooklyn court hearing. (Published 2021)

Ms. Meng will return to China in exchange for admitting some wrongdoing in a sanctions violation case as part of an agreement with U.S. prosecutors.

www.nytimes.com

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Max commented 2 hours ago
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Max
Vancouver2h ago
As a Canadian this is hugely frustrating. Canada held Meng to uphold our legal obligations to the US and uphold the rule of law. That said, the charges against her are 'geopolitical' in nature and it was in bad faith for the US to ask Canada to arrest her to begin with. Two Canadians have paid a huge personal price and Canada's relationship with China has suffered for no apparent benefit in our relationship with the US. If the US wants to use the legal system to pursue narrow foreign policy aims, I hope Canada is less cooperative in the future. I suspect that an unwritten aspect of this agreement includes release of the two Canadians - but if it does not, that will be a huge breach in US-Canada relations

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chet380 commented 3 hours ago
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chet380
west coast3h ago
I hate that the US bullied Canada into arresting Meng on their extradition order and put them in the middle of the US-China mess.

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Danny (not De Vito) commented 2 hours ago
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Danny (not De Vito)
Halifax, Canada2h ago
Ms Meng, a Chinese citizen, was being held in Canada (under extradition agreement) because she allegedly filed some documents to a Hong Kong-based bank related to Huawei's dealings with Iran that somehow did not take into account USA sanctions against Iran. Just so everyone remembers, USA sanctions against Iran are unilateral sanctions. I fail to see what "wrongdoing" is there in ignoring a US regulation when you are not a US citizen, working for a non-US company, on non-US soil.

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dairyfarmersdaughter commented 3 hours ago
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dairyfarmersdaughter
Washinimgton3h ago
So basically all she needs to do is admit she made some mistakes, gets to go free and will not have to plead guilty or pay any price. I'm wondering if this is an attempt to help free the two Canadian businessmen recently sentenced to long prison terms as a coercive action to free Ms. Meng. If so it appears to have been very effective. It's nice to know the DOJ will drop all charges for criminal acts if you just admit you committed "wrong doing".

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PAUL Tribble commented 3 hours ago
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PAUL Tribble
ATLANTA, GA3h ago
I'm glad that this case is finally closed. Now the U.S. & China can move on to focus on other issues affecting this very complicated and important relationship. I hope that the two Canadian businessmen held in China under rather dubious criminal charges are released and are allowed to return home.

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George commented 3 hours ago
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George
Toronto3h ago
If our citizens are not returned FIRST, then this is NOT a good deal. Bring back our citizens - who are stuck in Chinese jails - in return for the gilded life of the "house arrest" Meng.

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Leto commented 3 hours ago
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Leto
Rotterdam3h ago
US’s long arm jurisdiction is just an instrument to assert American power and target rivals. This case is not even about violation of American sanctions against Iran, but about potential injury to a British bank and for action that took place in Hongkong, part of Chinese soil. That’s the perverse nature of American long-arm jurisdiction, which Canada felt obliged to enforce due to its extradition treaty with the US. America claims to be ruled by law, but the law is just an instrument to exercise power. Take the China initiative against supposed Chinese espionage in academia. The first case to go to trial concerns a Chinese Canadian researcher Anmin Hu, who lost his job because of the accusation. The espionage charge never had merit, instead, the FBI agent tried and failed to recruit him as a spy against China. Then the prosecutors filed fraud charges concerning his grant application to NASA. They tried to nail him on not following some obscure rules of disclosure in his grant application that even the university was not aware of. The judge eventually threw the case out. But his academic career has been destroyed, spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on the trial, without even an apology from the US Govt. This is far from an isolated case in the China Initiative. This is how the rule of law is actually applied when the US Govt decides to exercise its power to achieve a political goal.

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Barbara Greene commented 3 hours ago
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Barbara Greene
Caledon Ontario3h ago
It was terrible for the US to put Canada and its citizens in this position over such a flimsy case. I hope our officials think twice and refuse to get involved in any further politically motivated uses of the extradition treaty we have both signed. Meng should never have been charged and the extradition treaty should never have been used particularly when Canada did not support the sanctions against Iran. This was another Trump disaster.
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Salah M. commented 2 hours ago

Salah M.
Los Angeles2h ago
The arrest of Ms. Wanzhou was a great injustice; especially on flimsy charges that she broke the sanctions on Iran when Mr. Obama was shutdown similar investigation at the JD against Iran's proxies to secure JCPOA. So many broke the sanctions around the world especially in return for lower prices on Iranian oil. what added salt on the wound that Mr. Trump was willing to release her in return for a good trade deal with China. So sad that this farce continued for 9 to 10 months during the Biden administration. I am so happy she is released. PS: what did Canada get for being US' lapdog?

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Arthur Wellesley commented 2 hours ago
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Arthur Wellesley
UK2h ago
She's had a cushy lifestyle while living in detention. This involved house arrest and wearing an ankle bracelet while living in her multi-million dollar Vancouver mansion. It's a much different story for the two Canadians who were arrested in retaliation in China and in jail with harsh conditions with limited access to Canadian consular officials.
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Robert commented 3 hours ago
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Robert
Atlanta3h ago
It was always a political case- so a political resolution is appropriate. Actually quite wise solution all around as it grew all out of proportion. Now we should also expect the two Michaels from Canada to be released too.

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Usok commented 3 hours ago
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Usok
Houston3h ago
Ms. Meng is a collateral damage and a political scapegoat between Xi and Trump administration in trade negotiation. Trump also said it to that effect in person. Thus, the current outcome is not surprising that President Biden and President Xi want to proceed with further negotiations in many other fronts including climate change, trade, supply chain, virus, Taiwan, Afghanistan, and many other topics. One thing for sure is that the world needs both US and China in good terms in order to overcome the global issues that affect everybody including us.

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Paul Yates commented 3 hours ago
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Paul Yates
Vancouver, Canada3h ago
Any action starting with "the charges underscored by efforts of the Trump administration" was dubious to begin with. The Trump administration basically played Canada with established rules of cooperative international law, putting us in a diplomatic cold soup with zero options for resolving a problem that Trump created purely to thump his chest about. It's political chess at its worst, using another nation to try and score points. It certainly did no favors for Canada, other than Canada following the laws it agreed to uphold. I wonder what would have happened the other way around?
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Winston Churchill commented 2 hours ago
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Winston Churchill
Massachusetts2h ago
Let's not make the mistake of thinking that Huawei and Meng Wanzhou are somehow innocent of the charges which were brought. Huawei, as a company, has stolen information from third parties (which was then leveraged commercially) and has conducted business with Iran (and then sought to disguise the engagement). Meng Wanzhou, as CFO, and as the daughter of the founder, would clearly have had awareness and knowledge of these transgressions. Their hands are not clean. Truth is only found in the light of day. The CCP effectively kidnapped and has held hostage two Canadians, for leverage. The Canadians have not permitted even a measure of freedom. This is in stark contrast to the treatment which Meng Wanzhou has received while staying in a multimillion dollar home in Vancouver with freedom of movement. Huawei, with the support of the CCP, has operated with a sense of impunity. This decision is a disappointing short term decision with much longer term, negative implications.

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John Lanaway commented 2 hours ago
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John Lanaway
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If the release of the two Canadians taken hostage as a result of this US argument with China is not included as a precondition to this deal, add Canada to the list of allies totally disappointed and, in this particular case, outraged by the current administration's cavalier approach to diplomacy as it involves US friends and allies. I sincerely hope this becomes clear quickly......
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Catwhisperer commented 3 hours ago
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Catwhisperer
Loveland, CO3h ago
This is why people in America have such contempt for the law. There are always deals for those with money and connections, but for the rest of us it's always fines, jail time, probation. That is not justice, that is the sale of justice.

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Angelo C commented 3 hours ago
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Angelo C
Elsewhere3h ago
The HUWAEI executive in gold shackles, roaming freely in a splendid Canadian City while Canada has two hostages in a Chinese jail, makes Trudeau look weak. If the two Canadian hostages are not released, Trudeau will be crucified in the polls. Also, Canadians should remember HUWAEI, raped and stole all of NORTEL’S trade secrets through cyber theft and industrial espionage. Those charges should have been piled on top of the American charges. Dealing with China is becoming a contact sport…..

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Charlie commented 3 hours ago
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Charlie
Queens, NY3h ago
They throw people in jail for minor drug offences but a corporate pirate walks free yet again...

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Paul Rolfe commented 3 hours ago
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Paul Rolfe
Toronto3h ago
I hope the Canadians' release from China is part of the deal. The whole issue is despicable and Canada got caught in the middle
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Sean commented 3 hours ago
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Sean
Hong Kong3h ago
@dairyfarmersdaughter The case was always a stretch. Deutsche Bank was fined billions for sanctions evasion for not only Iran but pretty much every other sanctioned country and no one in DB was even charged.

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Really commented 3 hours ago
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Really
Vancouver BC3h ago
How many years have the Chinese held two innocent Canadians hostage while the US and China play legal games that allows her to walk away after she effectively says “sorry for lying”?

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JE Hoover commented 2 hours ago
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JE Hoover
Vancouver, Canada2h ago
Notice that China did not take any action against US citizens, notwithstanding the US initiating the action against both Meng and Huawei. China, like the former US president, only punches down. They fear a greater power. However, if the US does not secure the release of the Canadians they will be playing into the current Chinese narrative that the US is a waning power, and one to be challenged. In that case it's only a matter of time that the next hostages China takes are US citizens.

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Mark Thomason commented 1 hour ago

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I hope Biden did not throw Canada under the bus on the "two Michaels" being held by China. This continuing worry should emphasize that Canada made a serious mistake. It allowed itself to be used by Trump's DoJ in a highly questionable long arm case, for a "crime" that was not criminal either in Canada nor where it was done. The doubt now about Canada's interests highlights that none of this served their interests, and the US simply used them at their sole cost.
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Denise Bukowski commented 3 hours ago
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Denise Bukowski
Toronto3h ago
And what about the two Michaels? Wen do they get out of jail?

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Greg commented 2 hours ago
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Greg
Lyon, France2h ago
Too bad. I was hoping the Canadian court would decisively rule against the American claims for extradition. I understand that Canada is not in agreement with the sanctions against Iran.
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B+ commented 3 hours ago
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B+
Canada3h ago
This might repair diplomatic relationships, but even if China returns the two Micheals, a new cold war has begun. China is cutting its losses in this case, but there will be others.

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SunInEyes commented 2 hours ago

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Paradise2h ago
@George - maybe each of the Michaels should get a house Ms Meng owns as repayment for their hostage experience in China? I doubt she'll be going back to Canada anytime in the near future!

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Nancy commented 2 hours ago
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Nancy
Great Neck2h ago
@Leto US’s long arm jurisdiction is just an instrument to assert American power and target rivals. This case is not even about violation of American sanctions against Iran, but about potential injury to a British bank and for action that took place in Hongkong, part of Chinese soil.... [ Perfect comment. This was a political "persecution," completely legally-intolerable. We have been intent on waging a Cold War against China and that is and can only be tragic. We need to change course and work with China as a partner. ]

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jack commented 1 hour ago
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jack
ny1h ago
An absolute sham. Canada has weathered all kinds of punitive damage by the chinese just because a US president wanted a pound of flesh. This is undoubtable why a large part of the world hates Americans. The sheer gall exhibited in the French submarine fiasco is another insight to our inability to get along with anyone . The ignorance and stupidity is mind blowing.

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Eric commented 3 hours ago
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Eric
Calgary3h ago
Justice for the rich.
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Confused commented 3 hours ago
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Confused
Brooklyn3h ago
For many financial crimes, majority of the firms do not admit any wrongdoing while paying fines, so this resolution is not out of the ordinary. This case was, at best, political to begin with. We are targeting China, but we should pick a better arena to showcase our arguments.

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Taher commented 2 hours ago
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Taher
Croton On Hudson2h ago
The arrest,detention of Meng is akin to the having Apple’s Tim Cooke held in China on a visit. By this agreement the US recognizes that it was an over reach by Trump’s DOJ without consideration of it’s diplomatic implications. Also, China is not some third rate country in Asia but a major world power. Rivals at times need one another’s cooperation on certain issues.

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James Tagg commented 3 hours ago
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James Tagg
Lethbridge, AB, Canada3h ago
Who got punished by the Meng extradition matter? Only Canada, and two of its citizens who have been arrested on dubious charges in China in retaliation for Meng's detention. If Chinese cruelty, coupled with what appears to have been American indifference, over the past three years are the fruits of steadfastly following the rule of law, God protect us against a future wherein international agreements and the law should apply but may well abused again.

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J.W. commented 3 hours ago
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J.W.
Oregon3h ago
Once again, the U.S. bends over forward take it where the sun doesn't shine and this time it has sand in it. This lady is a spy and a threat to U.S. interests and now we agree to let her return to China? This is disgraceful.

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brupic commented 3 hours ago
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brupic
nara/greensville3h ago
her conditions were not quite as harsh as the two canadians being held in china. it's about time china's confronted. they're fighting with most everybody these days--both in their neighbourhood and a lot further afield.
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Ass Bandit commented 2 hours ago
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Ass Bandit
Land of Stolen Booty2h ago
This is a terrible deal. Fully prosecute the case, or seek the release of the Canadians first. The CCP will not release them. I guarantee it.

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Kurt Pickard commented 2 hours ago
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Kurt Pickard
Murfreesboro, TN2h ago
We had the goods on Meng but Biden didn't have the backbone to follow though on her prosecution. Another chapter in a failed presidency not even a year old.

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Mohamed Khaki commented 3 hours ago
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Mohamed Khaki
Toronto3h ago
There is saying in Kiswahili that when two elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers. Hopefully the two Canadian Michaels, who have been unfairly imprisoned in China in a tit-for-tat, can come home soon.
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Nancy commented 3 hours ago
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Nancy
Great Neck3h ago
Because of the irrationality all about President Trump, a Chinese business executive was "persecuted" and a rational President Biden has fortunately relented. The detention of Ms. Weng was legally intolerable.

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Canadian Roy commented 1 hour ago
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Canadian Roy
Canada1h ago
Two Canadian citizens are suffering because America had to have her arrested and extradited. Now it's all for not; apart from the two Canadians who continue to pay the price for the charade.
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Bruno commented 3 hours ago
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Bruno
Zurich, Switzerland3h ago
I'm really happy for her. This bully and persecution by the United States was imoral.

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Pookie commented 3 hours ago
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Pookie
Malibu3h ago
Amazing how the just-us system for the rich let’s her walk free.
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Eddie Torial commented 1 hour ago
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Eddie Torial
Oz1h ago
Will the Chinese now free the Canadian they jailed on trumped up spy charges in retaliation for the holding of Meng Wanzhou? It is advisable to never visit China as they engage in hostage politics.

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Caitlynn commented 3 hours ago
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Caitlynn
Utah3h ago
You’re forgetting the other piece. You have to be rich. If you are rich, you can’t commit crimes. You just make amusing mistakes that the government will scold you for.

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Joe commented 2 hours ago
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Joe
Raleigh, NC2h ago
Two thoughts: 1) I question the morality of our enforcing sanctions on Iran this way. It's an abuse of the financial power we hold. 2) On a lighter note, too bad the release -- and hopefully the release of the Canadians -- didn't happen ahead of the Canadian election.

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Ignatius the 2d commented 2 hours ago
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Ignatius the 2d
New Orleans2h ago
"The deal to release Ms. Meng could signal a more conciliatory approach in Washington’s stance toward Beijing under the Biden administration." You think? In short order Biden has already authorized Putin's pipeline and armed the Taliban and gifted it a nation - conciliatory is his thing.

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Brian commented 2 hours ago
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Brian
Vancouver2h ago
@Kurt Pickard She has been held in Canada for nearly 3 years, herself a pawn of sorts (though not an innocent) in the US case against Huawei (can't you take a company to court without arresting the CFO?), so maybe some of that blame needs to be placed at the feet of Donald Trump. This situation needed to be resolved so the 2 Canadian hostages could be freed. If that is the result, then kudos to Biden.

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Marco L'italien commented 3 hours ago
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Marco L'italien
Montreal, Canada3h ago
It is too early to understand what this means, but it looks to me as if Canada's stand in the affair has been vindicated. Everyone will now expects that, after a suitable face-saving delay, China will release the two Canadians it seized and held hostage.

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ChrisM commented 3 hours ago
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ChrisM
Toronto3h ago
Perhaps now the Chinese will release the "two Michaels" who they wrongly imprisoned because of Canada's involvement in this case. Using imprisonment to forward diplomatic goals demonstrates China's contempt for the rule of law and the ugliness to which they will stoop to get their way.

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Yikes commented 45 minutes ago
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Yikes
Vancouver45m ago
I would like to know the cost to Canada for the 3 year house arrest escapade? Endless court appearances by the defendant and her team of lawyers plus prisoner supervision. The U.S should reimburse Canada for the years of legal expense, not to mention the suffering endured by the Michaels in retaliation for this P.R. stunt. Time to reconsider whether the U.S. is really Canada's closest ally?
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Svirchev commented 45 minutes ago
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Route 6645m ago
Egg on the face of the Department of Justice, a phyrric vistory which is no victory at all. It was not a sign of conciliation to China in any way. The US Department of Justice cut this deal out of a profound legal weakness. The judge in Canada was stalwart throughout he process, most recently expressing disbelief in the DoJ legal rationale. Ms Meng and Huawei lose nothing. On the Canadian side of the border, the Juston Trudeau government simply didn't have the moxie to do what his father Pierre Elliott would have done: refuse to accede to the DoJ's weak case, cut a deal of exchange with China and exchange the two Michaels for Meng. PM Justin Trudeau claimed to be portecting law & order. In fact it was a weak-kneed response to US pressures, a humiliating bended knee (in the medieval sense) & kow-tow to US bigger brother.
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Timothy York commented 1 hour ago
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Timothy York
Reno, NV1h ago
@Danny (not De Vito) , Not to mention being apprehended in an airport in a third country, only there to transfer flights. In my mind, this is a real Secret Police tactic, and not the way US persons are apprehended in the US.

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John commented 3 hours ago
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John
Dobbs3h ago
I would not release her until they release the people there.
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Mark Fishaut MD commented 3 hours ago
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Mark Fishaut MD
Friday Harbor, WA3h ago
So what about the 2 Canadian hostages the Chinese jailed on phony charges- not even mentioned in this article!!

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Eric commented 3 hours ago
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Eric
London, Canada3h ago
I wouldn't count on the two Michaels being released anytime soon. The Chinese government accused both Canada and the US of making a political decision in the Huawei case, and pointed to the apolitical nature of their own judicial system, with its 99+% conviction rate. They would lose face if they admitted by association that the arrest of the two Canadians was political. They might let the Michaels serve out the sentences for their 'crimes' in Canada. But that won't be until the Huawei case has faded from the headlines.
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CLM commented 2 hours ago

CLM
Toronto2h ago
@mark Fishaut MD They are mentioned in the article

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Jimmy commented 3 hours ago
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Jimmy
In Canada3h ago
She was held in Canada, but allowed to reside in her 6 million luxury mansion during her detainment. I hope the 2 businessmen held by China in retaliation had decent prison cells…

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Harpo commented 3 hours ago
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Harpo
Toronto3h ago
It appeared that China apprehended two Canadians (Two Michaels) at the time that Ms. Meng was held in Vancoruver as a tactic to get her released. The two are accused of spying and are serving long sentences. It would be encouraging if Meng's situation alleviated theirs.
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Bridget commented 3 hours ago
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Bridget
Toronto3h ago
And meanwhile, the 2 Michaels (Canadians Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig) have been held in prison in China for over 1000 days in payback for Canada having held Meng Wanzhou at the request of the US. So goes diplomacy and law and international relations....
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TS commented 3 hours ago
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TS
San Francisco3h ago
There is no mention of the 2 Micheals in this article. They should get a definite guarantee of their release before releasing Meng.
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John Chastain commented 3 hours ago
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John Chastain
Michigan (the heart of the Great Lakes)3h ago
Lets be clear, this "plea bargain" that allows Ms. Meng to admit "wrongdoing" without actually pleading guilty to anything is nothing more than window dressing. It is an attempt at spinning our (& Canada's) surrender to China's retaliatory hostage strategy. Now we will see the Canadian hostages released under some legalistic excuse or "humanitarian" gesture. China is no different in its use of hostages to force other nations to submit than its neighbor North Korea or other authoritarian states like Iran. The difference between the treatment of Ms. Meng with her ankle bracelet and lavish lifestyle and the Canadian citizens China has kept hostage is remarkable and shows how contemptuous the CCP is to the idea of the rule of law. This was a farce, the CCP is good at farce.

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jane doe commented 3 hours ago
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jane doe
vancouver3h ago
@Paul Tribble yes. she should not be allowed to leave until the 2 Michaels are returned to Canada

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Arthur Wellesley commented 2 hours ago
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Arthur Wellesley
UK2h ago
@Nancy Nobody was persecuted. She lied in order to avoid admitting she was involved in trying to get around sanctions on Iran.

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Confucius commented 1 hour ago
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Confucius
new york city1h ago
It's about time she's released. The agreement to admit to some "wrongdoing" is a face saving way for the DOJ to get out of this ridiculous situation, and hopefully the two Canadians are released by China as well. The sanctions against Iran are an abuse of power. We have war criminals and war profiteers who should be behind bars, and yet are free to continue to rip our country off.

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Ergo Sum commented 1 hour ago
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Ergo Sum
Once Wet Coast1h ago
I have been disgusted with the DOJ and China throughout. The DOJ case was bogus on its merits, obviously clumsy and brutal politics. But the Chinese hostage taking was even worse. Will the Chinese bring this shameful episode to an end quickly? Let’s hope so. The only good thing in this case is that the vast majority of Canadians who admired China now see the CCP for what it is, a viscous totalitarian regime, dangerously arrogant and ignorant of how their bullying will be perceived by those they hope to influence.
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Belasco commented 45 minutes ago
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Belasco
Reichenbach Falls45m ago
A lot of armchair international lawyers here. There was no real wrongdoing on Meng's part that was the whole point of the collapse of this house of cards. Meng herself, despite the confusing description in this article, was first charged with evading sanctions on Iran. This was not an offense in Canada at the time. So the US switched to a very weak accusation of defrauding the HSBC bank in Hong Kong via a ppt slide that allegedly misrepresented the company's relationship with an Iranian company which theoretically might have got the HSBC into trouble with the US which it didn't. There was no injury or damage to HSBC. The whole thing was hot air. The Canadian judge basically said as much but she was confined to ruling whether a judge in the US would actually accept the case for ajudication - not decide. A very low bar. We will never know what her decision was going to be but I suspect it was close which means the US case was geopolitically motivated nonsense which is what it always was. Ultimately the US got what it wanted. Derailed the Canada China free trade deal which was about to be signed and put Canada China relations are in the deep freeze. Mostly because China arrested two Canadians on plausible (much more plausible than Meng's fraud charges) of spying. Both were deeply involved in obtaining non public info on China's relationship with North Korea a very sensitive subject. It was a huge mistake for China to arrest the two men. They should have not taken the bait.
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Crazy Canuck commented 3 hours ago
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Crazy Canuck
Puget Sound3h ago
Does this deal include the immediate release of Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig, two Canadian citizens who have been unjustly imprisoned by China in retaliation for Canada's actions in accordance with the rule of law?
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VH commented 3 hours ago
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VH
3h ago
What's startling in the report is the lack of mention of the two Canadians who have been held in Chinese prisons in retaliation, not in the luxury Ms Meng was afforded. All of Canada awaits the rest of the story, which is that the Justice department secured their immediate release. Then some true justice will have been achieved.
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paul commented 3 hours ago
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paul
White Plains, NY3h ago
Another case of kowtowing to the Chinese, and barely a slap on the proverbial wrist courtesy of the Biden administration. Just what does Red China have on Biden and his son that the American people do not know about, and which continually compels him to want to appease them?
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Dub commented 3 hours ago
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Dub
Fredericton, NB3h ago
Hopefully there is no release of her until the two Michaels are released. If that has to happen in the middle of a bridge somewhere like in Cold War days, then so be it.
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john commented 3 hours ago
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john
Canada3h ago
Michael Kovrig, an ex-diplomat on leave in China, and Mike Spavor doing business in China were the Canadians grabbed after Canada aided the USA in holding Mrs. Meng. How soon wil China take to free the 2 men who it seems were the tit for tat pawns in retaliation for Canada aiding in her arrest. I bet China will take there time releasing them--just to rub it into Canada's face as a warning for what to expect in the future.
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David Mangefrida commented 3 hours ago
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David Mangefrida
Naperville, IL3h ago
Apparently you missed the part in the story about her agreeing to plead guilty to some of the charges. A deferred prosecution agreement does not mean she’s not guilty, it simply means they won’t actually proceed with the prosecution as long as she in the company stay out of trouble for several years.

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Patrick Maas commented 2 hours ago
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Patrick Maas
Belmont, NC2h ago
Well, that's how diplomacy is supposed to work. I'm sure both Biden and Trudeau wanted to put this behind them. Now, I would certainly hope the U.S. in particular is working through intelligent channels and 'off-the-book' operations to prevent these type of hostage taking initiatives by foreign nations. You kidnap one of our citizens on trumped up charges in order to gain leverage in getting one of your citizens out, even though they broke the law, we should respond (quietly) by snatching a few more of their citizens. It will teach these countries a lesson not to mess with us.

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Global Charm commented 45 minutes ago

Global Charm
British Columbia45m ago
Meng Wanzhou should never have been arrested in the first place. She was passing quietly through the Vancouver airport when she was taken by Canadian officials who chose to act on a bogus extradition request emanating from the Trump Justice Department. Canadian law enforcement is riddled with Trumpist elements, just like American law enforcement. The agencies responsible for border security are especially susceptable. President Biden is once again cleaning up a mess left by his predecessor. Prime Minister Trudeau, re-elected after a singularly pointless election that set Canadians back by 600 million, will now have to clean up the mess that he made. This will be easier now that Biden has taken the first step. But make no mistake. Canadians and Americans face a common problem here. Our border agencies are becoming a law unto themselves, and our elected representatives are not providing adequate governance.
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Geo commented 45 minutes ago

Geo
Vancouver45m ago
Were the charges against Ms. Meng just? It isn't easy to say unless you have blind faith in the American system of justice. Reaching a plea agreement at this point is quite sensible. A trial for Meng would have increased tensions substantially and China's over-reaction to the arrest, with it's wolf-warrior bullying, has been an immense help to the US's building of coalitions against China. The US has already gained more than was intended from Meng's arrest. The other positive development was the torpedoing of the free trade agreement that Canada was foolishly considering with China. Unfortunately it's the two Michael's who are paying for all of this with their freedom.
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Frank commented 27 minutes ago
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Frank
Boston27m ago
Did we cut a deal with the CCP to release the Canadians now? Or did we just disregard the vital interests of another close ally?
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Covfefe commented 3 hours ago
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Covfefe
Long Beach, NY3h ago
I’m hoping she continues with her same sense of fashion style once she returns to China. Great dresser!!
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Zalman Sandon commented 3 hours ago
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Zalman Sandon
USA3h ago
By the looks of it, the United States Justice Department has become the Sweep Under the Rug Department. Wall to wall. "Law" seems to be applicable only to those too poor to afford to buy favorable justice - or too powerless intimidate the political establishment.
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David commented 45 minutes ago
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el cerrito,ca45m ago
Meng allegedly violated US law for dealings with Iran. Commenters are angry about her release. But what makes you think the US has an inalienable right to enforce its sanction against Iran on China? If you apply the same logic used in this case, China could have claimed everyone is under their jurisdiction as long as they use products made in China. The US can do it, because it’s backed up by the US power, not because what it does is just. In this case, China pushed back with the detention of Canadians citizens, and the US power meets its limitations. This is not justice whatsoever. It’s naked power struggle.
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Gondar commented 1 hour ago
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Gondar
Africa1h ago
@winston Churchill .....But we also know your agencies are the most prolific hackers, which is actually stealing information....so why the self righteous anger?

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Vic_bold_II commented 3 hours ago
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Vic_bold_II
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Since the laundry-list of charges directed against Ms Meng won’t see a courtroom to assess their validity, one can only guess at what exactly has she admitted to. Frankly, this was a Trump legacy case, an embarrassment to Canada, and moreover was suggestive of a mob kidnap-and-ransom ploy. Biden’s DOJ was wise to get this business off its books as soon as it could.

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EME commented 3 hours ago
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EME
Brooklyn3h ago
@B+ China is cutting its losses?! Read again: The U.S. is dropping all charges and letting her return to China. This case has been a major irritation - and embarrassment for Canada. Clearly there was never a viable case and China called our bluff. Sad that 2 Canadians had to pay the price of their government's stupidity.

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Ladysmith Resident commented 1 hour ago
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Ladysmith Resident
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Our two Michaels need to come home. Now. And a pox on all the other houses: China: The bar of ethical expectations coming from China is already so low, no-one should be surprised by this. Meng Wanzhou and Justin Trudeau: Two untruthful peas from the same pod who prove yet again that the rules for the rest of us common folk do not apply to them. Trudeau may still be our Prime Minister, but the overwhelming majority of Canadians voted for candidates of other parties on Monday. West of Ontario, his Liberal Party won very few ridings and are really not players. In my riding on Vancouver Island, his Liberal Party came in fourth. Unlike America, here in Canada we really do not have any one national party. Perhaps it remains best that our parliament rules with minority governments. Monday's results prove that Canadians would not trust Trudeau with a majority in parliament. For many Canadians the good in all of this is that Meng Wanzhou will soon leave our soil. Sadly, we still must endure more of Mr Trudeau as Prime Minister, at least until he seeks another power grab and calls another election, which could come next Spring apparently. If we, here in Canada, should not have dome business with Nazi Germany in the 1930's, why must we still harbour and enhance business relations with China? It would take time and effort, but we, all of us, can take small steps in our own personal lives to end this dependency.

 

[土拨悬铃木]

最好的牌不就是我想抓，但不是我抓的吗

关键是架不住有小土豆这种蠢货去为别人火中取栗呗。

 

[渥村一民]

一个“如果”花3年？

如果“如果”就行，在加拿大法庭上为什么要辩论那些孟晚舟在香港跟汇丰交往的细节：比如幻灯片有几页，内容有什么？汇丰事先知道还是不知道华为在伊朗做生意。

赖昌星的那个如果，可比3年多的多。

 

[这都不是事儿]

对美国引渡请求，加拿大没选的。
道义上兄弟的忙要帮，法理上引渡必须处理。

所以中国制裁加拿大要求放人，是没有用的，抓一百个麦克也不管用。
可能国内宣传需要。

中国不抓麦克， 加拿大不去三番五次求美国， 现在能够达成无罪释放协议？

 

[conquestofparadise]

看来后面达成了很多协议

商务部：终止对原产于美国的进口聚氯乙烯的反补贴调查​

瑞皇今天很活跃啊，是不是要地震了

 

[这都不是事儿]

some interesting comments under

Meng Wanzhou agreed to the deal in a Brooklyn court hearing. (Published 2021)

Ms. Meng will return to China in exchange for admitting some wrongdoing in a sanctions violation case as part of an agreement with U.S. prosecutors.

www.nytimes.com

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Max commented 2 hours ago
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Max
Vancouver2h ago
As a Canadian this is hugely frustrating. Canada held Meng to uphold our legal obligations to the US and uphold the rule of law. That said, the charges against her are 'geopolitical' in nature and it was in bad faith for the US to ask Canada to arrest her to begin with. Two Canadians have paid a huge personal price and Canada's relationship with China has suffered for no apparent benefit in our relationship with the US. If the US wants to use the legal system to pursue narrow foreign policy aims, I hope Canada is less cooperative in the future. I suspect that an unwritten aspect of this agreement includes release of the two Canadians - but if it does not, that will be a huge breach in US-Canada relations

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chet380 commented 3 hours ago
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chet380
west coast3h ago
I hate that the US bullied Canada into arresting Meng on their extradition order and put them in the middle of the US-China mess.

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Danny (not De Vito) commented 2 hours ago
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Danny (not De Vito)
Halifax, Canada2h ago
Ms Meng, a Chinese citizen, was being held in Canada (under extradition agreement) because she allegedly filed some documents to a Hong Kong-based bank related to Huawei's dealings with Iran that somehow did not take into account USA sanctions against Iran. Just so everyone remembers, USA sanctions against Iran are unilateral sanctions. I fail to see what "wrongdoing" is there in ignoring a US regulation when you are not a US citizen, working for a non-US company, on non-US soil.

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dairyfarmersdaughter commented 3 hours ago
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dairyfarmersdaughter
Washinimgton3h ago
So basically all she needs to do is admit she made some mistakes, gets to go free and will not have to plead guilty or pay any price. I'm wondering if this is an attempt to help free the two Canadian businessmen recently sentenced to long prison terms as a coercive action to free Ms. Meng. If so it appears to have been very effective. It's nice to know the DOJ will drop all charges for criminal acts if you just admit you committed "wrong doing".

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PAUL Tribble commented 3 hours ago
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PAUL Tribble
ATLANTA, GA3h ago
I'm glad that this case is finally closed. Now the U.S. & China can move on to focus on other issues affecting this very complicated and important relationship. I hope that the two Canadian businessmen held in China under rather dubious criminal charges are released and are allowed to return home.

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George commented 3 hours ago
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George
Toronto3h ago
If our citizens are not returned FIRST, then this is NOT a good deal. Bring back our citizens - who are stuck in Chinese jails - in return for the gilded life of the "house arrest" Meng.

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Leto commented 3 hours ago
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Leto
Rotterdam3h ago
US’s long arm jurisdiction is just an instrument to assert American power and target rivals. This case is not even about violation of American sanctions against Iran, but about potential injury to a British bank and for action that took place in Hongkong, part of Chinese soil. That’s the perverse nature of American long-arm jurisdiction, which Canada felt obliged to enforce due to its extradition treaty with the US. America claims to be ruled by law, but the law is just an instrument to exercise power. Take the China initiative against supposed Chinese espionage in academia. The first case to go to trial concerns a Chinese Canadian researcher Anmin Hu, who lost his job because of the accusation. The espionage charge never had merit, instead, the FBI agent tried and failed to recruit him as a spy against China. Then the prosecutors filed fraud charges concerning his grant application to NASA. They tried to nail him on not following some obscure rules of disclosure in his grant application that even the university was not aware of. The judge eventually threw the case out. But his academic career has been destroyed, spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on the trial, without even an apology from the US Govt. This is far from an isolated case in the China Initiative. This is how the rule of law is actually applied when the US Govt decides to exercise its power to achieve a political goal.

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Barbara Greene commented 3 hours ago
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Barbara Greene
Caledon Ontario3h ago
It was terrible for the US to put Canada and its citizens in this position over such a flimsy case. I hope our officials think twice and refuse to get involved in any further politically motivated uses of the extradition treaty we have both signed. Meng should never have been charged and the extradition treaty should never have been used particularly when Canada did not support the sanctions against Iran. This was another Trump disaster.
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Salah M. commented 2 hours ago

Salah M.
Los Angeles2h ago
The arrest of Ms. Wanzhou was a great injustice; especially on flimsy charges that she broke the sanctions on Iran when Mr. Obama was shutdown similar investigation at the JD against Iran's proxies to secure JCPOA. So many broke the sanctions around the world especially in return for lower prices on Iranian oil. what added salt on the wound that Mr. Trump was willing to release her in return for a good trade deal with China. So sad that this farce continued for 9 to 10 months during the Biden administration. I am so happy she is released. PS: what did Canada get for being US' lapdog?

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Arthur Wellesley commented 2 hours ago
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Arthur Wellesley
UK2h ago
She's had a cushy lifestyle while living in detention. This involved house arrest and wearing an ankle bracelet while living in her multi-million dollar Vancouver mansion. It's a much different story for the two Canadians who were arrested in retaliation in China and in jail with harsh conditions with limited access to Canadian consular officials.
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Robert commented 3 hours ago
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Robert
Atlanta3h ago
It was always a political case- so a political resolution is appropriate. Actually quite wise solution all around as it grew all out of proportion. Now we should also expect the two Michaels from Canada to be released too.

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Usok commented 3 hours ago
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Usok
Houston3h ago
Ms. Meng is a collateral damage and a political scapegoat between Xi and Trump administration in trade negotiation. Trump also said it to that effect in person. Thus, the current outcome is not surprising that President Biden and President Xi want to proceed with further negotiations in many other fronts including climate change, trade, supply chain, virus, Taiwan, Afghanistan, and many other topics. One thing for sure is that the world needs both US and China in good terms in order to overcome the global issues that affect everybody including us.

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Paul Yates commented 3 hours ago
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Paul Yates
Vancouver, Canada3h ago
Any action starting with "the charges underscored by efforts of the Trump administration" was dubious to begin with. The Trump administration basically played Canada with established rules of cooperative international law, putting us in a diplomatic cold soup with zero options for resolving a problem that Trump created purely to thump his chest about. It's political chess at its worst, using another nation to try and score points. It certainly did no favors for Canada, other than Canada following the laws it agreed to uphold. I wonder what would have happened the other way around?
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Winston Churchill commented 2 hours ago
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Winston Churchill
Massachusetts2h ago
Let's not make the mistake of thinking that Huawei and Meng Wanzhou are somehow innocent of the charges which were brought. Huawei, as a company, has stolen information from third parties (which was then leveraged commercially) and has conducted business with Iran (and then sought to disguise the engagement). Meng Wanzhou, as CFO, and as the daughter of the founder, would clearly have had awareness and knowledge of these transgressions. Their hands are not clean. Truth is only found in the light of day. The CCP effectively kidnapped and has held hostage two Canadians, for leverage. The Canadians have not permitted even a measure of freedom. This is in stark contrast to the treatment which Meng Wanzhou has received while staying in a multimillion dollar home in Vancouver with freedom of movement. Huawei, with the support of the CCP, has operated with a sense of impunity. This decision is a disappointing short term decision with much longer term, negative implications.

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John Lanaway commented 2 hours ago
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John Lanaway
New Canaan, CT2h ago
If the release of the two Canadians taken hostage as a result of this US argument with China is not included as a precondition to this deal, add Canada to the list of allies totally disappointed and, in this particular case, outraged by the current administration's cavalier approach to diplomacy as it involves US friends and allies. I sincerely hope this becomes clear quickly......
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Catwhisperer commented 3 hours ago
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Catwhisperer
Loveland, CO3h ago
This is why people in America have such contempt for the law. There are always deals for those with money and connections, but for the rest of us it's always fines, jail time, probation. That is not justice, that is the sale of justice.

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Angelo C commented 3 hours ago
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Angelo C
Elsewhere3h ago
The HUWAEI executive in gold shackles, roaming freely in a splendid Canadian City while Canada has two hostages in a Chinese jail, makes Trudeau look weak. If the two Canadian hostages are not released, Trudeau will be crucified in the polls. Also, Canadians should remember HUWAEI, raped and stole all of NORTEL’S trade secrets through cyber theft and industrial espionage. Those charges should have been piled on top of the American charges. Dealing with China is becoming a contact sport…..

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Charlie commented 3 hours ago
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Charlie
Queens, NY3h ago
They throw people in jail for minor drug offences but a corporate pirate walks free yet again...

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Paul Rolfe commented 3 hours ago
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Paul Rolfe
Toronto3h ago
I hope the Canadians' release from China is part of the deal. The whole issue is despicable and Canada got caught in the middle
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Sean commented 3 hours ago
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Sean
Hong Kong3h ago
@dairyfarmersdaughter The case was always a stretch. Deutsche Bank was fined billions for sanctions evasion for not only Iran but pretty much every other sanctioned country and no one in DB was even charged.

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Really commented 3 hours ago
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Really
Vancouver BC3h ago
How many years have the Chinese held two innocent Canadians hostage while the US and China play legal games that allows her to walk away after she effectively says “sorry for lying”?

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JE Hoover commented 2 hours ago
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JE Hoover
Vancouver, Canada2h ago
Notice that China did not take any action against US citizens, notwithstanding the US initiating the action against both Meng and Huawei. China, like the former US president, only punches down. They fear a greater power. However, if the US does not secure the release of the Canadians they will be playing into the current Chinese narrative that the US is a waning power, and one to be challenged. In that case it's only a matter of time that the next hostages China takes are US citizens.

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Mark Thomason commented 1 hour ago

Mark Thomason
Clawson, MI1h ago
I hope Biden did not throw Canada under the bus on the "two Michaels" being held by China. This continuing worry should emphasize that Canada made a serious mistake. It allowed itself to be used by Trump's DoJ in a highly questionable long arm case, for a "crime" that was not criminal either in Canada nor where it was done. The doubt now about Canada's interests highlights that none of this served their interests, and the US simply used them at their sole cost.
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Denise Bukowski commented 3 hours ago
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Denise Bukowski
Toronto3h ago
And what about the two Michaels? Wen do they get out of jail?

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Greg commented 2 hours ago
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Greg
Lyon, France2h ago
Too bad. I was hoping the Canadian court would decisively rule against the American claims for extradition. I understand that Canada is not in agreement with the sanctions against Iran.
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B+ commented 3 hours ago
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B+
Canada3h ago
This might repair diplomatic relationships, but even if China returns the two Micheals, a new cold war has begun. China is cutting its losses in this case, but there will be others.

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SunInEyes commented 2 hours ago

SunInEyes
Paradise2h ago
@George - maybe each of the Michaels should get a house Ms Meng owns as repayment for their hostage experience in China? I doubt she'll be going back to Canada anytime in the near future!

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Nancy commented 2 hours ago
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Nancy
Great Neck2h ago
@Leto US’s long arm jurisdiction is just an instrument to assert American power and target rivals. This case is not even about violation of American sanctions against Iran, but about potential injury to a British bank and for action that took place in Hongkong, part of Chinese soil.... [ Perfect comment. This was a political "persecution," completely legally-intolerable. We have been intent on waging a Cold War against China and that is and can only be tragic. We need to change course and work with China as a partner. ]

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jack commented 1 hour ago
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jack
ny1h ago
An absolute sham. Canada has weathered all kinds of punitive damage by the chinese just because a US president wanted a pound of flesh. This is undoubtable why a large part of the world hates Americans. The sheer gall exhibited in the French submarine fiasco is another insight to our inability to get along with anyone . The ignorance and stupidity is mind blowing.

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Eric commented 3 hours ago
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Eric
Calgary3h ago
Justice for the rich.
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Confused commented 3 hours ago
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Confused
Brooklyn3h ago
For many financial crimes, majority of the firms do not admit any wrongdoing while paying fines, so this resolution is not out of the ordinary. This case was, at best, political to begin with. We are targeting China, but we should pick a better arena to showcase our arguments.

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Taher commented 2 hours ago
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Taher
Croton On Hudson2h ago
The arrest,detention of Meng is akin to the having Apple’s Tim Cooke held in China on a visit. By this agreement the US recognizes that it was an over reach by Trump’s DOJ without consideration of it’s diplomatic implications. Also, China is not some third rate country in Asia but a major world power. Rivals at times need one another’s cooperation on certain issues.

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James Tagg commented 3 hours ago
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James Tagg
Lethbridge, AB, Canada3h ago
Who got punished by the Meng extradition matter? Only Canada, and two of its citizens who have been arrested on dubious charges in China in retaliation for Meng's detention. If Chinese cruelty, coupled with what appears to have been American indifference, over the past three years are the fruits of steadfastly following the rule of law, God protect us against a future wherein international agreements and the law should apply but may well abused again.

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J.W. commented 3 hours ago
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J.W.
Oregon3h ago
Once again, the U.S. bends over forward take it where the sun doesn't shine and this time it has sand in it. This lady is a spy and a threat to U.S. interests and now we agree to let her return to China? This is disgraceful.

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brupic commented 3 hours ago
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brupic
nara/greensville3h ago
her conditions were not quite as harsh as the two canadians being held in china. it's about time china's confronted. they're fighting with most everybody these days--both in their neighbourhood and a lot further afield.
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Ass Bandit commented 2 hours ago
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Ass Bandit
Land of Stolen Booty2h ago
This is a terrible deal. Fully prosecute the case, or seek the release of the Canadians first. The CCP will not release them. I guarantee it.

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Kurt Pickard commented 2 hours ago
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Kurt Pickard
Murfreesboro, TN2h ago
We had the goods on Meng but Biden didn't have the backbone to follow though on her prosecution. Another chapter in a failed presidency not even a year old.

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Mohamed Khaki commented 3 hours ago
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Mohamed Khaki
Toronto3h ago
There is saying in Kiswahili that when two elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers. Hopefully the two Canadian Michaels, who have been unfairly imprisoned in China in a tit-for-tat, can come home soon.
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Nancy commented 3 hours ago
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Nancy
Great Neck3h ago
Because of the irrationality all about President Trump, a Chinese business executive was "persecuted" and a rational President Biden has fortunately relented. The detention of Ms. Weng was legally intolerable.

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Canadian Roy commented 1 hour ago
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Canadian Roy
Canada1h ago
Two Canadian citizens are suffering because America had to have her arrested and extradited. Now it's all for not; apart from the two Canadians who continue to pay the price for the charade.
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Bruno commented 3 hours ago
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Bruno
Zurich, Switzerland3h ago
I'm really happy for her. This bully and persecution by the United States was imoral.

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Pookie commented 3 hours ago
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Pookie
Malibu3h ago
Amazing how the just-us system for the rich let’s her walk free.
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Eddie Torial commented 1 hour ago
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Eddie Torial
Oz1h ago
Will the Chinese now free the Canadian they jailed on trumped up spy charges in retaliation for the holding of Meng Wanzhou? It is advisable to never visit China as they engage in hostage politics.

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Caitlynn commented 3 hours ago
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Caitlynn
Utah3h ago
You’re forgetting the other piece. You have to be rich. If you are rich, you can’t commit crimes. You just make amusing mistakes that the government will scold you for.

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Joe commented 2 hours ago
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Joe
Raleigh, NC2h ago
Two thoughts: 1) I question the morality of our enforcing sanctions on Iran this way. It's an abuse of the financial power we hold. 2) On a lighter note, too bad the release -- and hopefully the release of the Canadians -- didn't happen ahead of the Canadian election.

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Ignatius the 2d commented 2 hours ago
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Ignatius the 2d
New Orleans2h ago
"The deal to release Ms. Meng could signal a more conciliatory approach in Washington’s stance toward Beijing under the Biden administration." You think? In short order Biden has already authorized Putin's pipeline and armed the Taliban and gifted it a nation - conciliatory is his thing.

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Brian commented 2 hours ago
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Brian
Vancouver2h ago
@Kurt Pickard She has been held in Canada for nearly 3 years, herself a pawn of sorts (though not an innocent) in the US case against Huawei (can't you take a company to court without arresting the CFO?), so maybe some of that blame needs to be placed at the feet of Donald Trump. This situation needed to be resolved so the 2 Canadian hostages could be freed. If that is the result, then kudos to Biden.

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Marco L'italien commented 3 hours ago
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Marco L'italien
Montreal, Canada3h ago
It is too early to understand what this means, but it looks to me as if Canada's stand in the affair has been vindicated. Everyone will now expects that, after a suitable face-saving delay, China will release the two Canadians it seized and held hostage.

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ChrisM commented 3 hours ago
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ChrisM
Toronto3h ago
Perhaps now the Chinese will release the "two Michaels" who they wrongly imprisoned because of Canada's involvement in this case. Using imprisonment to forward diplomatic goals demonstrates China's contempt for the rule of law and the ugliness to which they will stoop to get their way.

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Yikes commented 45 minutes ago
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Yikes
Vancouver45m ago
I would like to know the cost to Canada for the 3 year house arrest escapade? Endless court appearances by the defendant and her team of lawyers plus prisoner supervision. The U.S should reimburse Canada for the years of legal expense, not to mention the suffering endured by the Michaels in retaliation for this P.R. stunt. Time to reconsider whether the U.S. is really Canada's closest ally?
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Svirchev commented 45 minutes ago
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Svirchev
Route 6645m ago
Egg on the face of the Department of Justice, a phyrric vistory which is no victory at all. It was not a sign of conciliation to China in any way. The US Department of Justice cut this deal out of a profound legal weakness. The judge in Canada was stalwart throughout he process, most recently expressing disbelief in the DoJ legal rationale. Ms Meng and Huawei lose nothing. On the Canadian side of the border, the Juston Trudeau government simply didn't have the moxie to do what his father Pierre Elliott would have done: refuse to accede to the DoJ's weak case, cut a deal of exchange with China and exchange the two Michaels for Meng. PM Justin Trudeau claimed to be portecting law & order. In fact it was a weak-kneed response to US pressures, a humiliating bended knee (in the medieval sense) & kow-tow to US bigger brother.
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Timothy York commented 1 hour ago
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Timothy York
Reno, NV1h ago
@Danny (not De Vito) , Not to mention being apprehended in an airport in a third country, only there to transfer flights. In my mind, this is a real Secret Police tactic, and not the way US persons are apprehended in the US.

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John commented 3 hours ago
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John
Dobbs3h ago
I would not release her until they release the people there.
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Mark Fishaut MD commented 3 hours ago
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Mark Fishaut MD
Friday Harbor, WA3h ago
So what about the 2 Canadian hostages the Chinese jailed on phony charges- not even mentioned in this article!!

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Eric commented 3 hours ago
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Eric
London, Canada3h ago
I wouldn't count on the two Michaels being released anytime soon. The Chinese government accused both Canada and the US of making a political decision in the Huawei case, and pointed to the apolitical nature of their own judicial system, with its 99+% conviction rate. They would lose face if they admitted by association that the arrest of the two Canadians was political. They might let the Michaels serve out the sentences for their 'crimes' in Canada. But that won't be until the Huawei case has faded from the headlines.
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CLM commented 2 hours ago

CLM
Toronto2h ago
@mark Fishaut MD They are mentioned in the article

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Jimmy commented 3 hours ago
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Jimmy
In Canada3h ago
She was held in Canada, but allowed to reside in her 6 million luxury mansion during her detainment. I hope the 2 businessmen held by China in retaliation had decent prison cells…

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Harpo commented 3 hours ago
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Harpo
Toronto3h ago
It appeared that China apprehended two Canadians (Two Michaels) at the time that Ms. Meng was held in Vancoruver as a tactic to get her released. The two are accused of spying and are serving long sentences. It would be encouraging if Meng's situation alleviated theirs.
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Bridget commented 3 hours ago
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Bridget
Toronto3h ago
And meanwhile, the 2 Michaels (Canadians Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig) have been held in prison in China for over 1000 days in payback for Canada having held Meng Wanzhou at the request of the US. So goes diplomacy and law and international relations....
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TS commented 3 hours ago
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TS
San Francisco3h ago
There is no mention of the 2 Micheals in this article. They should get a definite guarantee of their release before releasing Meng.
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John Chastain commented 3 hours ago
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John Chastain
Michigan (the heart of the Great Lakes)3h ago
Lets be clear, this "plea bargain" that allows Ms. Meng to admit "wrongdoing" without actually pleading guilty to anything is nothing more than window dressing. It is an attempt at spinning our (& Canada's) surrender to China's retaliatory hostage strategy. Now we will see the Canadian hostages released under some legalistic excuse or "humanitarian" gesture. China is no different in its use of hostages to force other nations to submit than its neighbor North Korea or other authoritarian states like Iran. The difference between the treatment of Ms. Meng with her ankle bracelet and lavish lifestyle and the Canadian citizens China has kept hostage is remarkable and shows how contemptuous the CCP is to the idea of the rule of law. This was a farce, the CCP is good at farce.

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jane doe commented 3 hours ago
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jane doe
vancouver3h ago
@Paul Tribble yes. she should not be allowed to leave until the 2 Michaels are returned to Canada

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Arthur Wellesley commented 2 hours ago
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Arthur Wellesley
UK2h ago
@Nancy Nobody was persecuted. She lied in order to avoid admitting she was involved in trying to get around sanctions on Iran.

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Confucius commented 1 hour ago
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Confucius
new york city1h ago
It's about time she's released. The agreement to admit to some "wrongdoing" is a face saving way for the DOJ to get out of this ridiculous situation, and hopefully the two Canadians are released by China as well. The sanctions against Iran are an abuse of power. We have war criminals and war profiteers who should be behind bars, and yet are free to continue to rip our country off.

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Ergo Sum commented 1 hour ago
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Ergo Sum
Once Wet Coast1h ago
I have been disgusted with the DOJ and China throughout. The DOJ case was bogus on its merits, obviously clumsy and brutal politics. But the Chinese hostage taking was even worse. Will the Chinese bring this shameful episode to an end quickly? Let’s hope so. The only good thing in this case is that the vast majority of Canadians who admired China now see the CCP for what it is, a viscous totalitarian regime, dangerously arrogant and ignorant of how their bullying will be perceived by those they hope to influence.
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Belasco commented 45 minutes ago
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Belasco
Reichenbach Falls45m ago
A lot of armchair international lawyers here. There was no real wrongdoing on Meng's part that was the whole point of the collapse of this house of cards. Meng herself, despite the confusing description in this article, was first charged with evading sanctions on Iran. This was not an offense in Canada at the time. So the US switched to a very weak accusation of defrauding the HSBC bank in Hong Kong via a ppt slide that allegedly misrepresented the company's relationship with an Iranian company which theoretically might have got the HSBC into trouble with the US which it didn't. There was no injury or damage to HSBC. The whole thing was hot air. The Canadian judge basically said as much but she was confined to ruling whether a judge in the US would actually accept the case for ajudication - not decide. A very low bar. We will never know what her decision was going to be but I suspect it was close which means the US case was geopolitically motivated nonsense which is what it always was. Ultimately the US got what it wanted. Derailed the Canada China free trade deal which was about to be signed and put Canada China relations are in the deep freeze. Mostly because China arrested two Canadians on plausible (much more plausible than Meng's fraud charges) of spying. Both were deeply involved in obtaining non public info on China's relationship with North Korea a very sensitive subject. It was a huge mistake for China to arrest the two men. They should have not taken the bait.
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Crazy Canuck commented 3 hours ago
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Crazy Canuck
Puget Sound3h ago
Does this deal include the immediate release of Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig, two Canadian citizens who have been unjustly imprisoned by China in retaliation for Canada's actions in accordance with the rule of law?
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VH commented 3 hours ago
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VH
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What's startling in the report is the lack of mention of the two Canadians who have been held in Chinese prisons in retaliation, not in the luxury Ms Meng was afforded. All of Canada awaits the rest of the story, which is that the Justice department secured their immediate release. Then some true justice will have been achieved.
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paul commented 3 hours ago
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White Plains, NY3h ago
Another case of kowtowing to the Chinese, and barely a slap on the proverbial wrist courtesy of the Biden administration. Just what does Red China have on Biden and his son that the American people do not know about, and which continually compels him to want to appease them?
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Dub commented 3 hours ago
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Dub
Fredericton, NB3h ago
Hopefully there is no release of her until the two Michaels are released. If that has to happen in the middle of a bridge somewhere like in Cold War days, then so be it.
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john commented 3 hours ago
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john
Canada3h ago
Michael Kovrig, an ex-diplomat on leave in China, and Mike Spavor doing business in China were the Canadians grabbed after Canada aided the USA in holding Mrs. Meng. How soon wil China take to free the 2 men who it seems were the tit for tat pawns in retaliation for Canada aiding in her arrest. I bet China will take there time releasing them--just to rub it into Canada's face as a warning for what to expect in the future.
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David Mangefrida commented 3 hours ago
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David Mangefrida
Naperville, IL3h ago
Apparently you missed the part in the story about her agreeing to plead guilty to some of the charges. A deferred prosecution agreement does not mean she’s not guilty, it simply means they won’t actually proceed with the prosecution as long as she in the company stay out of trouble for several years.

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Patrick Maas commented 2 hours ago
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Patrick Maas
Belmont, NC2h ago
Well, that's how diplomacy is supposed to work. I'm sure both Biden and Trudeau wanted to put this behind them. Now, I would certainly hope the U.S. in particular is working through intelligent channels and 'off-the-book' operations to prevent these type of hostage taking initiatives by foreign nations. You kidnap one of our citizens on trumped up charges in order to gain leverage in getting one of your citizens out, even though they broke the law, we should respond (quietly) by snatching a few more of their citizens. It will teach these countries a lesson not to mess with us.

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British Columbia45m ago
Meng Wanzhou should never have been arrested in the first place. She was passing quietly through the Vancouver airport when she was taken by Canadian officials who chose to act on a bogus extradition request emanating from the Trump Justice Department. Canadian law enforcement is riddled with Trumpist elements, just like American law enforcement. The agencies responsible for border security are especially susceptable. President Biden is once again cleaning up a mess left by his predecessor. Prime Minister Trudeau, re-elected after a singularly pointless election that set Canadians back by 600 million, will now have to clean up the mess that he made. This will be easier now that Biden has taken the first step. But make no mistake. Canadians and Americans face a common problem here. Our border agencies are becoming a law unto themselves, and our elected representatives are not providing adequate governance.
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Geo commented 45 minutes ago

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Vancouver45m ago
Were the charges against Ms. Meng just? It isn't easy to say unless you have blind faith in the American system of justice. Reaching a plea agreement at this point is quite sensible. A trial for Meng would have increased tensions substantially and China's over-reaction to the arrest, with it's wolf-warrior bullying, has been an immense help to the US's building of coalitions against China. The US has already gained more than was intended from Meng's arrest. The other positive development was the torpedoing of the free trade agreement that Canada was foolishly considering with China. Unfortunately it's the two Michael's who are paying for all of this with their freedom.
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Frank commented 27 minutes ago
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Frank
Boston27m ago
Did we cut a deal with the CCP to release the Canadians now? Or did we just disregard the vital interests of another close ally?
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Covfefe commented 3 hours ago
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Covfefe
Long Beach, NY3h ago
I’m hoping she continues with her same sense of fashion style once she returns to China. Great dresser!!
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Zalman Sandon commented 3 hours ago
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Zalman Sandon
USA3h ago
By the looks of it, the United States Justice Department has become the Sweep Under the Rug Department. Wall to wall. "Law" seems to be applicable only to those too poor to afford to buy favorable justice - or too powerless intimidate the political establishment.
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David commented 45 minutes ago
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el cerrito,ca45m ago
Meng allegedly violated US law for dealings with Iran. Commenters are angry about her release. But what makes you think the US has an inalienable right to enforce its sanction against Iran on China? If you apply the same logic used in this case, China could have claimed everyone is under their jurisdiction as long as they use products made in China. The US can do it, because it’s backed up by the US power, not because what it does is just. In this case, China pushed back with the detention of Canadians citizens, and the US power meets its limitations. This is not justice whatsoever. It’s naked power struggle.
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Gondar commented 1 hour ago
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Gondar
Africa1h ago
@winston Churchill .....But we also know your agencies are the most prolific hackers, which is actually stealing information....so why the self righteous anger?

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Vic_bold_II commented 3 hours ago
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Bellingham, WA3h ago
Since the laundry-list of charges directed against Ms Meng won’t see a courtroom to assess their validity, one can only guess at what exactly has she admitted to. Frankly, this was a Trump legacy case, an embarrassment to Canada, and moreover was suggestive of a mob kidnap-and-ransom ploy. Biden’s DOJ was wise to get this business off its books as soon as it could.

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EME commented 3 hours ago
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EME
Brooklyn3h ago
@B+ China is cutting its losses?! Read again: The U.S. is dropping all charges and letting her return to China. This case has been a major irritation - and embarrassment for Canada. Clearly there was never a viable case and China called our bluff. Sad that 2 Canadians had to pay the price of their government's stupidity.

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Ladysmith Resident commented 1 hour ago
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Ladysmith Resident
British Columbia, Canada1h ago
Our two Michaels need to come home. Now. And a pox on all the other houses: China: The bar of ethical expectations coming from China is already so low, no-one should be surprised by this. Meng Wanzhou and Justin Trudeau: Two untruthful peas from the same pod who prove yet again that the rules for the rest of us common folk do not apply to them. Trudeau may still be our Prime Minister, but the overwhelming majority of Canadians voted for candidates of other parties on Monday. West of Ontario, his Liberal Party won very few ridings and are really not players. In my riding on Vancouver Island, his Liberal Party came in fourth. Unlike America, here in Canada we really do not have any one national party. Perhaps it remains best that our parliament rules with minority governments. Monday's results prove that Canadians would not trust Trudeau with a majority in parliament. For many Canadians the good in all of this is that Meng Wanzhou will soon leave our soil. Sadly, we still must endure more of Mr Trudeau as Prime Minister, at least until he seeks another power grab and calls another election, which could come next Spring apparently. If we, here in Canada, should not have dome business with Nazi Germany in the 1930's, why must we still harbour and enhance business relations with China? It would take time and effort, but we, all of us, can take small steps in our own personal lives to end this dependency.

扫了一下， 多数加拿大人认为， 加拿大抓人， 中国报复。现在加拿大和美国放人， 中国就必须立即释放人质。
在他们心中， 先挑事的人对后面不得不自卫的人依然有道德优越感。

 

[马甲190]

两麦克有分量，但不是主要的。

主要是中国有足够实力让美国妥协

 

[肥猫]

中国不抓麦克， 加拿大不去三番五次求美国， 现在能够达成无罪释放协议？

从这点上讲，川普坑了土豆一把，拜登帮了土豆一把。左派右派站队管用吧。土豆是第一个祝贺拜登当选的领导人，交情起了作用。换了老川会尿土豆吗？