以色列一年多前就知道哈马斯的袭击计划

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据《纽约时报》报道,以色列一年多前就知道哈马斯的袭击计划

来自 CNN 的西蒙·麦卡锡

据《纽约时报》周四援引文件、电子邮件和采访报道,以色列官员在哈马斯发动袭击的一年多前就获得了一份文件,描述了哈马斯 10 月 7 日恐怖袭击的作战计划。

据审阅翻译文件的《泰晤士报》报道,这份大约 40 页的文件没有给出袭击的日期,但“逐条”概述了哈马斯 10 月份在以色列领土上进行的致命入侵。

据《泰晤士报》报道,以色列军方和情报官员驳回了该计划,认为哈马斯实施该计划太困难了。

这份被以色列当局代号为“杰里科墙”的文件详细介绍了一次袭击,该袭击将摧毁加沙地带周围的防御工事,占领以色列城市并瞄准关键军事基地。 据《泰晤士报》报道,哈马斯于 10 月 7 日进行了精确跟踪。

当天,哈马斯武装分子从加沙地带越过边境发动协同袭击,劫持了 200 多名人质,造成约 1,200 人死亡,这是以色列 1948 年建国以来最大规模的此类袭击。

人们普遍认为这次袭击是以色列情报部门的重大失误,一些高级国防和安全官员在 10 月份挺身而出,对导致袭击的失误承担了一定程度的责任。

当月晚些时候,以色列总理本杰明·内塔尼亚胡在社交媒体帖子中指责安全负责人未能就即将发生的袭击发出警告,该帖子后来被删除,因此受到了公众的尖锐批评。

“相反,所有国防官员……都认为哈马斯被吓住了,”内塔尼亚胡当时写道。

据《泰晤士报》报道,“杰里科墙”文件在以色列军方和情报领导人中广泛流传,但尚不清楚内塔尼亚胡或其他高层政治领导人是否看到了这份文件。

17 min ago

Israel was aware of Hamas’ attack plan over a year ago, New York Times reports​

From CNN's Simone McCarthy

Israeli officials obtained a document describing Hamas’ battle plan for its October 7 terror attack more than a year before the militant group carried out the assault, the New York Times reported Thursday, citing documents, emails and interviews.

The roughly 40-page document did not give a date for the attack, but outlined “point by point” the kind of deadly incursion that Hamas carried out in Israeli territory in October, according to the Times, which reviewed the translated document.

Israeli military and intelligence officials dismissed the plan, assessing that it would be too difficult for Hamas to carry out, according to the Times.

The document, which the Israeli authorities code-named “Jericho Wall,” detailed an assault that would overwhelm fortifications around the Gaza Strip, take over Israeli cities and target key military bases. It was followed with precision by Hamas on October 7, the Times said.

On that day, Hamas militants struck across the border from Gaza in a coordinated assault taking more than 200 hostages and killing around 1,200 people – the largest such attack on Israel since the country’s founding in 1948.

The attack was widely seen a major Israeli intelligence failure, with a number of top defense and security officials coming forward in October to take responsibility to some extent for missteps that led to the attacks.

Later that month, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu received sharp public criticism after he accused security chiefs in a later-deleted social media post of failing to warn him about the impending attack.

“On the contrary, all the defense officials … assessed that Hamas was deterred,” Netanyahu wrote at the time.

According to the Times, the “Jericho Wall” document was circulated widely among Israeli military and intelligence leaders, but it was unclear whether Netanyahu or other top political leaders saw the document.
 
记得以前这里有人说过这个意思,我从来不敢相信。看到过报道,埃及在1007前3,4天也通知过以色列。

这位认为10月7号哈马斯攻击以色列是以色列的苦肉计​

如果按苦肉计的思路一切都可解释。一切也都是按计划进行。先从莫萨德无反应放任开始。再到清楚加沙人口控制加沙。这就是极右翼不断扩张的接口
是的,已经计划有两年多,而且事先埃及通告了以色列,以色列不可能不知道,所以这是苦肉计。但是内塔湖没有想到的是战争一旦开打,怎么收场就难了。内塔湖是招风耳,从中国面相书来说,招风耳败家卖田,要这样一个管家人,以色列有的惨了。
以犹太人的精明而言,苦肉计99%是真的。
现在是绝地反击还是苦肉计还不明朗。等看看以下步会清晰些。哈马斯背后是穆斯林世界,很可能掀起世界其他地区争端
 
为了转风向不择手段。说苦肉计,将计就计没问题。说一年前哈就决定十月七太夸张。准备个一两年可信
 
如同美国的9/11,最后总结情报部门的失误:failure of imagination。。。
 
BBC报道,谷歌翻译:

美国委员会主席称,埃及在哈马斯袭击前几天警告以色列
2023年10月12日 GMT-4 04:56

美国国会小组主席表示,在哈马斯发动致命的跨境袭击三天前,埃及就可能发生的暴力事件向以色列发出警告。

众议院外交事务委员会主席迈克尔·麦考尔向记者讲述了这一所谓的警告。

以色列总理本杰明·内塔尼亚胡称这些报道“完全错误”。

以色列情报部门因未能阻止巴勒斯坦武装分子发动以色列 75 年历史上最致命的袭击而受到密切关注。

据法新社报道,麦考尔在周三为立法者举行有关中东危机的闭门情报简报会后对记者表示:“我们知道埃及三天前警告以色列人可能会发生类似的事件。”

这位德克萨斯州共和党人补充道:“我不想透露太多机密,但已经发出了警告。” “我认为问题在于什么水平。”

一名埃及情报官员本周对美联社表示,开罗曾多次警告以色列,加沙正在策划“大事”。

这位不愿透露姓名的官员表示:“我们已经警告他们,局势即将爆发,而且很快就会爆发,而且规模会很大。但他们低估了此类警告。”

开罗官员表示,以色列官员淡化了来自加沙的威胁,而是将重点放在约旦河西岸。

2014 年至 2020 年间担任英国外交情报机构负责人的亚历克斯·杨格尔爵士表示,哈马斯武装分子之所以能够在 10 月 7 日发动袭击,是因为以色列“体制上的自满”。

他告诉英国广播公司第四台今日播客,以色列可能认为哈马斯对新的冲突不感兴趣,因此任何与此相矛盾的信息都被忽略了。

他说:“我的假设是——尽管我并不知情——将会有突破性的数据,这些数据可能会有不同的解释,而且事后看来肯定会如此。”

他补充说,过度依赖技术手段来监控加沙可能会加剧自满情绪,从而导致错误的安全感。

据英国《金融时报》援引两位熟悉此事的未透露姓名的官员的话报道,目前还没有关于具体袭击的硬情报。

周三,内塔尼亚胡称任何有关以色列在致命入侵之前收到具体警告的说法都是“完全假新闻”。

控制着谁穿越加沙边境的埃及经常充当以色列和哈马斯之间的调解人。

周六,超过 1,500 名武装分子在海陆空协同袭击中冲破加沙安全屏障。

以色列因哈马斯袭击而死亡的人数已达1200人。 以色列对加沙的空袭已造成1000多人死亡。

作为回应,以色列一直在袭击加沙的哈马斯目标,而该地区的居民表示,在他们唯一的发电站耗尽燃料后,他们没有了主电源。

与此同时,哈马斯谴责美国总统乔·拜登周二的言论,称以色列有责任对袭击做出回应,他称这是“纯粹的邪恶行为”。

该巴勒斯坦组织表示,拜登的言论具有“煽动性”,旨在加剧加沙地带的紧张局势。

哈马斯袭击后,美国宣布将一艘航空母舰、舰艇和喷气式飞机调往地中海东部,并将向以色列提供更多装备和弹药。

Egypt warned Israel days before Hamas struck, US committee chairman says​

2023年10月12日 GMT-4 04:56

Israel was warned by Egypt of potential violence three days before Hamas' deadly cross-border raid, a US congressional panel chairman has said.

House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee head Michael McCaul told reporters of the alleged warning.

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu described the reports as "absolutely false".

Israeli intelligence services are under scrutiny for their failure to prevent the deadliest attack by Palestinian militants in Israel's 75-year history.

"We know that Egypt has warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen," Mr McCaul told reporters following a closed-door intelligence briefing on Wednesday for lawmakers about the Middle East crisis, according to AFP news agency.

"I don't want to get too much into classified, but a warning was given," the Texas Republican added. "I think the question was at what level."

An Egyptian intelligence official told the Associated Press news agency this week that Cairo had repeatedly warned the Israelis "something big" was being planned from Gaza.

"We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big. But they underestimated such warnings," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The Cairo official said Israeli officials had played down the threat from Gaza, instead focusing on the West Bank.

Sir Alex Younger, who served as chief of the UK's foreign intelligence agency between 2014 and 2020, said Hamas fighters were able to carry out their attack on 7 October due to "institutional complacency" in Israel.

He told BBC Radio 4's Today Podcast there may have been an assumption by Israel that Hamas was not interested in a new conflict, so any information that contradicted that was discounted.

"It is my assumption - though I'm not on the inside - that there would be data breaking through that could have been interpreted differently and certainly would be with hindsight," he said.

He added that complacency could have been compounded by an over-reliance on technological means to monitor Gaza, leading to a false sense of security.

According to the Financial Times, quoting two unnamed officials familiar with the matter, there was no hard intelligence of a specific attack.

On Wednesday, Mr Netanyahu described any suggestion that Israel had received a specific warning in advance of the deadly incursion as "totally fake news".

Egypt - which controls who crosses its border with Gaza - often serves as a mediator between Israel and Hamas.

More than 1,500 militants stormed through the Gaza security barrier in a co-ordinated land, air and sea attack on Saturday.

The death toll in Israel from the Hamas attacks has reached 1,200. More than 1,000 people have been killed by Israeli air strikes on Gaza.

Israel has been pounding Hamas targets in Gaza in response, while residents of the territory say they have no mains electricity after their only power station ran out of fuel.

Hamas has, meanwhile, condemned US President Joe Biden's remarks on Tuesday saying Israel had a duty to respond to the attacks, which he called an "act of sheer evil".

The Palestinian group said Mr Biden's remarks were "inflammatory" and aimed to escalate tensions in the Gaza Strip.

In the wake of the Hamas attack, the US announced it was moving an aircraft carrier, ships and jets to the eastern Mediterranean, and that it would also give Israel additional equipment and ammunition.

 
如同美国的9/11,最后总结情报部门的失误:failure of imagination。。。
我一直都倾向于这个结论,不敢相信有人敢于拿这么多人命施苦肉计。
 
那么问题是谁现在在播以暴力对待巴人。在爆以一年前便知但不作为。要转风向。左派。因为现在世界右派抬头。这是左派的反击。左右斗争或者阶级斗争无时无处不在,而且是你死我活的斗争
 
一年多前就知道哈马斯的袭击计划?真能扯,即便是真的,那依然是哈马斯残暴袭击邻舍,哈马斯是魔鬼,难道有人会用情报不情报的这个弯弯绕,而引领众人转而谅解拥爱哈马斯?
按照所谓苦肉计的说法,这世界上没有罪犯了,所有的犯案都可以了结了……杀人犯可以平安无事回家了,因为被杀者应该知道这世界上有坏人,应该知道自己有仇人,应该先把杀人犯干掉,所以说是被杀者对这个案件负有责任,关押凶手不妥……或许大概有可能扭曲的世界就是这样吧
 
既然在别人的土地上搞种族灭绝,那从搞种族灭绝的第一天开始,他们就应该对这种计划做准备。
 
是啊,这地道里开车不成问题,改造一下,估计可以开地铁了。不会是用盾构机挖的吧?

Israel's military claims to discover the biggest Hamas tunnel in Gaza​

From CNN’s Benjamin Brown in London

Israel Defense Forces soldiers gain access to a Hamas tunnel in Gaza in this screengrab from an undated video released by the IDF.
Israel Defense Forces soldiers gain access to a Hamas tunnel in Gaza in this screengrab from an undated video released by the IDF. Israel Defense Forces

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魔鬼在细节中。一年前,哈马斯不可能把计划细节制定好。即使真的制定了,自己也不知道能否执行。而各种袭击的意向,哈马斯大概随时都在策划和准备。
 
这个计划几十年前就知道了。就像美帝亡我之心几十年如一日,从来没变过啊。
 
珍珠港也是?
珍珠港,911,和这次的1007,我个人都倾向于相信是情报失误,不敢相信是苦肉计。代价太高,没人敢这么做。
 
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