My view on this donation argument

[lifeisfun]

Too much argements on this topic and lots of nonsense and personal attacks.

Here are my views

1. People should donate for the relief as it affects many people's life, especially those children and women. People's life are more precious than anything else, no matter if they are Indonesian, Chinese Indonesian,Sri Lankan. Indian etc.

2. Don't directly relate this relief to the violence happened in Indonesia years ago. Those Indonesian who involved in the violence against Chinese Indonesian should be punished for sure, if you don't think that their government has done enough on this aspect, you should collect evidence and accuse them in international tribunal located in Hague, Netherland. There is no use just to express your anger here, you should follow the procedure in a democratic way.
And people can make donation to help out on that.

3. I have a colleague who is from Sri Lanka and is traveling there with his family when disaster heppended. Here is part of his email:

.....

The situation herre is really really disastrous - if you have heard about Visala (during Buddha's time) - it might be similar.

The city we always go to buy stuff is no more there. The shop owners we dealt with no more there. The coastal stretch from my closest town - Tangalle to Colombo was completely destroyed. In once single incident the whol train with 1500 people were completely awashed. The 80 Ton train engine was moved by about 100 m away. Only few survivers for this train. Lot of freinds were among the dead in this train. Survivors stories are terrible - Caseendra crossing, Titanic are just a story of a single family. thousands of families had similar real life expereience when there loved ones children were flown away whiel they are trying to keep them with them by holding there hands.
The town I studies also completely distroyed (Galle). The area is still smelly - thre shoudl be more corpses among the rubbles.

Anyway, it is very timely that the people in the other world do some there part here.

....


So you should know how the situation is there and should try to help.

 

[某某]

我也有一个斯里兰卡籍的朋友
他的老家就在灾区
他说当时他家人都幸运地在Colombo安全地带探亲，没有伤亡
但是他们的邻居们就没有那么幸运了
他家隔壁的一位单身母亲，三个十几岁的女儿全部失踪了
而另一边的邻居，一家三代21口，全部遇难，连办丧事的人都没有。这家人是开饭馆的，经常让无家可归者免费吃饭
还有一些渔民，出海在外比较远的，回到家里，小屋没有了，妻子儿女不见了
对于我的朋友来说，那些死者不是漂浮在污水中的无名氏，而是一张张熟悉的、曾经带有喜怒哀乐的面孔

 

[bill]

最初由 某某 发布
我也有一个斯里兰卡籍的朋友
他的老家就在灾区
他说当时他家人都幸运地在Colombo安全地带探亲，没有伤亡
但是他们的邻居们就没有那么幸运了
他家隔壁的一位单身母亲，三个十几岁的女儿全部失踪了
而另一边的邻居，一家三代21口，全部遇难，连办丧事的人都没有。这家人是开饭馆的，经常让无家可归者免费吃饭
还有一些渔民，出海在外比较远的，回到家里，小屋没有了，妻子儿女不见了
对于我的朋友来说，那些死者不是漂浮在污水中的无名氏，而是一张张熟悉的、曾经带有喜怒哀乐的面孔

还有一些渔民，出海在外比较远的，回到家里，小屋没有了，妻子儿女不见了


Where were they fishing during the Tsunami? Far enough out of the Tsunami, they are lucky.

 

[lifeisfun]

最初由 bill 发布


还有一些渔民，出海在外比较远的，回到家里，小屋没有了，妻子儿女不见了


Where were they fishing during the Tsunami? Far enough out of the Tsunami, they are lucky.

I am not sure if you have read about How Tsunami moves. It's big current moving underneath surface of the water. So that's why the ship and boat in the ocean won't be affected as they are on the surface. You haven't heard any damage on any ship in the region. When the current reaches the shore, it has no way to move ahead and therefore, big waves is formed and cause the damage. That's why it's very hard to predit Tsunami as not all the undersea earthquake will trigger Tsunami, and even if it triggers one, it's hard to know which direction the tsunami goes. The only solution so far is to deploy undersea sensor network.

 

[某某]

最初由 bill 发布


还有一些渔民，出海在外比较远的，回到家里，小屋没有了，妻子儿女不见了


Where were they fishing during the Tsunami? Far enough out of the Tsunami, they are lucky.

就如楼主所说，在深海海面上，海啸是没有威力的，它潜伏在海底，顶多把你的船推远一点。如果没有其他船在附近能和你相撞，是不会出事的。
但是海岸附近的船，因为海啸已经高出海面，大浪形成，翻的翻，没有翻的，也会撞到其它船或者海岸、岩石。

那些失去家人的出海渔民，不会认为自己是幸运的。当时连管无线电的人都没有了，他们回来了，面对满目疮痍，才知道发生了什么。他们连亲人的最后一面都没能见到。

 

[oread]

最初由 某某 发布
对于我的朋友来说，那些死者不是漂浮在污水中的无名氏，而是一张张熟悉的、曾经带有喜怒哀乐的面孔

 

[阿童木]

最初由 某某 发布


就如楼主所说，在深海海面上，海啸是没有威力的，它潜伏在海底，顶多把你的船推远一点。如果没有其他船在附近能和你相撞，是不会出事的。
但是海岸附近的船，因为海啸已经高出海面，大浪形成，翻的翻，没有翻的，也会撞到其它船或者海岸、岩石。

That is also why we did not hear US lose any of the battle ship groups in the Indian Ocean.Last time I checked, they have 2 Air Craft Carriers battle groups in Indian Ocean.

 

[tobrub]

最初由 lifeisfun 发布
Too much argements on this topic and lots of nonsense and personal attacks.

Here are my views

you should collect evidence and accuse them in international tribunal located in Hague, Netherland. .

Nothing about the controversy of this disaster donation, with due respect, just wondering can an individual launch a lawsuit against a government in The Hague International Tribunal?

 

[lifeisfun]

Re: Re: My view on this donation argument

最初由 tobrub 发布


Nothing about the controversy of this disaster donation, with due respect, just wondering can an individual launch a lawsuit against a government in The Hague International Tribunal?

I am not sure about the procedure. But If Falong Gong can launch a series of lawsuits against Chinese officials overseas on human right violation. I feel there should be some way one can do that. As many folks here concluded that Indonesian governement involve in that, so why not accuse them on that and when any of its official who is on the list visiting other country, he can be detained and trialed in principle.

You can do that either as a person (if you have a relative who is victim) or as an organization.

What I don't like is that those folks are just talking and spreading hatred here without doing anything useful.

 

[tobrub]

lifeisfun, noted and thanks, good point.