*网络论坛上的悲情和讽刺*

[Wanderer]

据海外中国问题评论家凌峰搜集到的中国大陆民众的反应，赵紫阳逝世消息传出后，中国网友蜂拥上网，重要的新闻网站大塞车。不少中国的网友怀念他，也为他鸣不平。【新浪网】BBS竟因此要关闭。《人民日报》属下的强国论坛版主拚命删都来不及，强国社区一下上来1万5千人浏览，后来也关闭了。在网民的反应中有一些具有代表性看法，如：赵公千古，紫阳永明！！沉痛哀悼，肝肠寸断！！！

还有一位网友对赵紫阳逝世评论说：“天地为之悲伤！”一位网友写道：“昊天失英魂，长河生悲吟。欲哭泪作墨，化作缪斯神。”

拼命删贴的强国论坛的版主则被网友挖苦道：“如果按照删贴数量发奖金，船班长今天可发大财了！”“船山石，你觉得你今天的工作是否有点不得人心？”“船斑竹现在是挥汗如雨啊！！！虽然是严冬！！！！”“今天的班竹太为难了----他要直面中国人最大的敌人----良心。”

《华盛顿邮报》报导说，在中国的互联网论坛上，尤其是中国大学的BBS上，用户上贴了成百上千的评论，而这些帖子很快就被删除了。在中国官方的《人民日报》的网站论坛上，有一个帖子至今仍然保留着。上面写着，“一个人去世了，我们能不能表达悲痛呢？”

http://www1.voanews.com/Chinese/art...8EC2009027ACC5C2&Categoryname=National%20News

 

[Wanderer]

CFC斑竹就是好, 删贴数量的确很少。

 

[梦想天堂]

。。。。这儿是加拿大。。。。u c da difference?

 

[黑色会]

64对中国有正面的也有负面的影响，但重新评价赵紫阳并不代表一定要为64平反，也不代表着否定邓小平阿！哎~~~中国阿！什么时候才能趟趟淡淡地说真话呢？

 

[菜鸟上天]

最初由 jason12345 发布
共产党他妈的就一个SB

说这句话的应该是个没什么文化的人吧。。。


为你的无知沉痛哀悼中。。。

 

[乌鸦乌鸦]

都是咸吃萝卜淡操心，过了气的政客，死一个两个你发什么深情啊？还缪斯，还肝肠寸断，文人啊文人啊，永远嗷嗷恶心。
删贴更是闲的，人都死了，说个呜呼哀哉也管。

 

[marchon]

苦难的中国老百姓团结起来，要自由，要民主，人民不是泥捏的。封建社会，皇帝当朝还以天子下凡来昭示天，来表明他做皇帝的合理性，现在是个啥样，大家想想？这老百姓这简直就是刀板上的肉。

 

[cqlan]

最初由 乌鸦乌鸦 发布
都是咸吃萝卜淡操心，过了气的政客，死一个两个你发什么深情啊？还缪斯，还肝肠寸断，文人啊文人啊，永远嗷嗷恶心。
删贴更是闲的，人都死了，说个呜呼哀哉也管。

你?知大概是因?年蒺。呃也不能怪你。

 

[Wanderer]

最初由 黑色会 发布
哎~~~中国阿！什么时候才能趟趟淡淡地说真话呢？

The day after tommorrow.

 

[xinanzhou]

If you measure things happened in China with the standards in US, UK,..., it is not fair. If your real motive is to evaluate Zhao Zhiyang, that is fine. If you don't think evaluating Zhao Zhiyang will trigger other things in China, you may be naive. If you pretend you don't know this and really expect something to happen in China by agitating evaluating Mr. Zhao, then you have hidden political motives.

For example, a family has internal arguements. as a third party, you can talk to one of the family member like, your families treat you badly and unfairly, you should fight against them, you should report to the police and send them to the jail. You can also say like, you may over-reacted to your families, you can calm yourself down and communicate with them to reach peace.

There are many ways you can say and do things in this situation. Bottom line is, your motive. If you want the family to recover to harmony, you may say things and do things in one way. If you want to destroy the family, you may choose other ways of saying and doing things.

In a country with many religions, if you want the country in peace, you will not say thing and do things that cause that conflicts among the religions. If you want the country in hot war, you may try to trigger the conflicts among the religions. The things you say will be correct, and the results may go to the other direction.

 

[TCY1]

最初由 xinanzhou 发布
If you measure things happened in China with the standards in US, UK,..., it is not fair. If your real motive is to evaluate Zhao Zhiyang, that is fine. If you don't think evaluating Zhao Zhiyang will trigger other things in China, you may be naive. If you pretend you don't know this and really expect something to happen in China by agitating evaluating Mr. Zhao, then you have hidden political motives.

For example, a family has internal arguements. as a third party, you can talk to one of the family member like, your families treat you badly and unfairly, you should fight against them, you should report to the police and send them to the jail. You can also say like, you may over-reacted to your families, you can calm yourself down and communicate with them to reach peace.

There are many ways you can say and do things in this situation. Bottom line is, your motive. If you want the family to recover to harmony, you may say things and do things in one way. If you want to destroy the family, you may choose other ways of saying and doing things.

In a country with many religions, if you want the country in peace, you will not say thing and do things that cause that conflicts among the religions. If you want the country in hot war, you may try to trigger the conflicts among the religions. The things you say will be correct, and the results may go to the other direction.

海外那些民运哪怕出一个noble,现在也不至于沦落到如次地步。都是些为了自己的政治目的和那么一点经济利益不惜卖身的人。

 

[Wanderer]

最初由 TCY1 发布


海外那些民运哪怕出一个nobel,现在也不至于沦落到如次地步。都是些为了自己的政治目的和那么一点经济利益不惜卖身的人。

Where does your motivation come from?
为了自己的政治目的 or 一点经济利益?

 

[xinanzhou]

My point: Even what you say is fact. There are still issues about the right way and right time.

For example, black people were slaved in US in recent history. It is a fact. But if the way you preach it or the time you preach it may cause the hatred between black people and white people, it will not considered proper and be welcomed by US government and people even what you say is a fact.

Sometimes, there is no clear line between right or wrong. It is just about which side you want to stand. Arguments between two sides may never reach the final results for different points of views.

For example, in Opium wars (in late 1800s?), British armies, Japanese armies, ..., invaded China, collected lots of money from China. Most western armies then were labeled as Christian. You can find many facts about Opium wars.

I stand on the side of opposing Opium Wars. I'll say facts that will reveal that the acts of those foreign armies then were rude, agaist human nature, against the principles of Christianity; the missions of Christian Preachers were not for the benifits of Chinese People, etc...

I also know some people take the other side. They will say the Opium Wars brought China new western civilization (there existed nice ways of expoting civilizations), the science, modern system, knowledge of democracy, etc...

For example, in Canada, I joined the Bible study group. At one time, the preacher said Christian Religion would brought China and chinese people goodness and communism would bring China badness. But one student stood up and said, "what I saw Christian broght China is Opium War and unequal Contracts, and special status of western people in China before 1949. At leat communism brought China independence."

See, different people have different opinions. Some people may say white people make North America better. Some Indian people may say white people bring us nothing but ALCOHOL and Bible.

 

[乐山乐水]

politics make people crazy