"stop throwing so many things at me at one time ... show some decency and consideration please"
There you go again. You seem to have a habit of blaming others while totally forgot what you did or said. Let me remind you of the length of your post about Taiwan on page 25 on the subject "Christianity and Evolutionism". Its length is at least 4 or 5 times longer than the longest of my previous posts. Nobody had said a single word about the length of your post, and now you are complaining the length of other people's post that's much shorter than yours. Grow up and stop being such a whining baby...
"have u heard of `straw foot, hay foot'? i guess not."
Wow... It's difficult to imagine knowing what "hay foot, straw foot" means could be something worth bragging about. Hard to believe this was something done by someone approaching 40. At this age even girls don't brag about things like that. What a pathetic personality. It definitely shows how much you've got and what kind of person you are.
"hi, yokel, this time u r intelligent enough to figure out the meaning of `win over'. but accidently, u showed your foolishness or whatever u called it.
a word in a dictionary has many entries for explanation.
u can win somebody over to your side
but you can also win over an enemy.
u can win a battle
but lose a war
and u can also win a heart.
another example `die'
can mean:
cease to be alive
or
reach sexual climax
do not question someone's english even if he or she uses a wrong word or grammar. that is called decency. english is my 3rd language and so far i am ok with it. mandarin is my 2nd language. i live with my mistakes and others' mistakes in use of language.
thanks anyway. i have learned to be humbled and will continue to learn to be humbled."
- First of all, I am not interested in questioning your English (in general or not), because my pigs have way higher priority than doing that.
- Second, I was simply asking about a little phrase "win over" because the meaning of the phrase seemed opposite from the meaning of your sentence and the context you seemed to be stating/expressing. Without asking I really could not proceed because it was not just a typo or just inaccurate use of words such as 2 different words close in meaning but one is appropriate the other not. In such cases most people can guess with relative certainty. In your case "win over" and "defeat" have quite opposite meanings. Several days ago you spelled something like "ectastic" I assumed and still assume you meant "ecstatic", did you see me ever mention it? What a whining baby...
- Third, asking about such a little word trigged your such a big talk calling me not decent, foolish, dare to question your English, your explaining in details what "win over" and "die" mean I'm not sure if anybody is interested, how many languages you are good at, how humble you are, bla bla bla.... What an artificial show.
- Fourth, there are many people in this site who have way better English than yours yet none of them brags about their English like you, and most people know not only what "win over" means, but also the clear difference between "win over" and "defeat" and how to correctly use it. They are smart enough to see through how artificial this crap is.
- Fifth, obviously you had no idea what "win over" means. Why not simply admit your mistake that is not a big mistake anyway like a man to save your time and people's time to write and read your crap so artificial and so insulting to people's intelligence. No wonder you were a coward in 89, you don't even have the "COURAGE" you have been talking so much about to admit such a trivial mistake.
"what if the two things never cross each other's path?"
Obviously you don't understand the concept and that's why you keep repeating your arguments that had been answered. Please listen carefully this time, since I don't want to explain things to you again and again as happened before.
There'll never be a fixed "right thing" and a fixed "right time" out there waiting for you to put them together. The world does not operate that way. For different situations or times, there'll always be right thing to do according to each individual situation/time. I hope you understand this time.
"no excuse for your failures. u and i do not have the courage of the young man who blocked the colummn of tanks in Beijing in 1989"
"u and I..."?
Anyone with limited maturity and limited intelligence understands something called "speak for yourself" and "mind your own business". If you feel it's your "failures" or you "do not have the courage", or you like to follow your maxim "if u do neither, do not complain about being tyrannized." or whatever, that's your business, period. Why do you keep telling other people what they are supposed to or not to feel? What they are supposed to or not to think? What they are supposed to or not to judge? What they are supposed to or not to say? What they are supposed to or not to do? Why have to drag millions of people who did not participate the June 4th into your category? I know I won't be too thrilled to be seen with you in your category, and if people know what kind of person you are, they probably won't either...
Are you too ashamed of yourself to be alone there when you look back on yourself? It also shows how desperate you are now.It looks like you either don't understand what I said in my last post or too desperate to understand. Let me quote what I said last time (between the dotted lines).
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There ARE many ways to improve the democracy in China. Protesting in Tian An Meng Square in 89 may not be the most efficient way to do that. It is definitely not the only way to do it.
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Let me explain it again (another explain again). If that was my evaluation of the June 4th event, what "courage" do I need? What "failures" do I have? Please read my words a couple of more times before opening your mouth. Sometimes I do suspect if you understand English. Do you use English to communicate with people at all? Ask someone who's mother tongue is English if a person said my line quoted above to you and you replied with your line quoted above, and see what his/her reaction would be. You do seem to lack basic sense of English.
"hitler was chosen to be die fuhrer. who else did u want to blame?"
You are obviously dodging my question that is "Are you saying that there was no difference between ordinary German people and Hitler?" or "Were ordinary German people as evil as Hitler?" after you made the statement "If you do not stand up against evil, you become evil."
It obviously shows the kind of condition and problem of your reasoning and mental state to even think of using this kind of examples ("hitler was chosen to be die fuhrer. who else did u want to blame?" and "how about the cultural revolution? did u only Mao and his leadership? how about its people?") to suport your already laughable statement "If you do not stand up against evil, you become evil."
Yes, it's true Hitler was elected by the people and I do think German people were not perfect in that regard but it stops there as far as ordinary people's responsibility goes. Have you heard that a bad party leader may deceive and manipulate voters before and after the election? abuse the power after being elected? or use variety of ways (including force) to implement a evil plan? and so on... Are you saying that ordinary voters are responsible for WHATEVER a evil leader will do after they cast their vote? If that's what you believe, then tell us how "evils" you think the ordinary German people were? Were they as "evil" as Hitler? You probably did not know or too desperate to remember that Albert Einstein did not choose to "stand up and fight" against Hitler. He did not start a "war" against Nazi. Please tell us how "evil" he was or is (speaking of his contribution to mankind and legacy)? Please note I'm not interested in asking you whether or not he is "evil" because you already gave your verdict that he is. I'm only interested in asking you how "evil" he is? And how "evil" were ordinary German people?
"how about the cultural revolution? did u only Mao and his leadership? how about its people?"
Let me remind you that a big difference between Hitler and Mao is that Mao was not elected by Chinese people.
Let's take a close look at the Culture Revolution. The government was so brutal to crush physically, mentally, economically and spiritually anyone who dared to have a different voice/view even privately. The government under Mao had killed and persecuted millions of people across all walks of life, young and old, low and high in ranking inside and outside of the party and the armies. The President Liu Shao Qi and Marshal He Long and many ordinary people like Yu Luo Ke and Lin Shao were just some examples who were killed or persecuted to death. People like President Liu and Marshal He Long with the position as high as one can get could not even protect their own lives. How can you expect ordinary Chinese to "stand up and fight"? Because they were not able to "stand up and fight" the way you want, you called them "evil"?! Let me ask you this. During the Culture Revolution, did your parents and your grandparents "stand up and fight"? If they did not, how "evil" they were?
"u can choose to fight tyranny either by ballots or bullets. if u do neither, do not complain about being tyrannized."
Me complaining? You made me laugh again...LOL
It seems to be another English words confusion. You seem to have confused the word "complain" with something called presenting facts that's all I did such as the death of president Liu, marshal He, Yu Luo Ke and Lin Shao. I don't even give conclusions such as whether or not I think the Culture Revolution is good or bad. People can reach whatever conclusion they want. You have known me long enough. Have you seen me ever complaining about anything including anything personal even I am poor and dumb especially compared to you?
I think it's not a far stretch to say I bring more fun and more civilized discussions than anything else...Chinese people have the right to choose whatever methods they see appropriate, either by bullets or by other means. Speaking out is one of the methods that's also consistent with the "civil disobedience" you have talked about. Now it's time for you to explain your logic: if Chinese people do not choose the method of "bullet", why it's okay to use the method of "civil disobedience" at one part of comment but at the other part of your comment Chinese people should shut up or "do not complain about being tyrannized."? Also please tell us, who gives you a coward the right to tell Chinese people to shut up? or what they should do or should not do? For someone who can not even get his own logic right, what makes you think you have enough intelligence to tell Chinese people to shut up? Or to tell Chinese to do anything?
"disclaimer: the chinese goverment is neither a tyranny nor a dictatorship."
If the government were not tyranny or a dictatorship, why are you babbling so much about the "courage"? Who needs the "courage"? What's the "courage" used for? Is it for killing a mosquito? By the way, the "dictatorship" was not my invention, I borrowed it from Mike Wallace (CBS 60 Minutes anchor) who used the word to Jiang Ze Min's face in the interview with him.
"u forgot to mention the other bloodiest civil war, the american civil war"
What about the American Civil War? What's the relationship between the subject or your argument and the American Civil War? What's your point?
There have been probably thousands bloody civil or non-civil wars throughout mankind history. They were started or fought for various reasons such as religion, politics, economy, land, resource, wealth, women, and even leaders' personal reasons etc... Are they all related to the subject (improving democracy in China)? Even the Chinese civil war was irrelevant to democracy. Another example of irrelevant statement/argument.
"how about the current japanese prime minister? does he represent himelf when he visits the war shrine?"
What about him?
Visiting the war shrine is just one of his many domestic and foreign policies and yes he is elected by the people. I was asking you "Are you saying that there was no difference between ordinary German people and Hitler?" because you previously stated "If you do not stand up against evil, you become evil." How many Japanese people that have been full-heartedly supported that particular one policy are still debatable. Let's ASSUME even if every Japanese citizens had supported that particular one policy which I highly doubt, what does that have anything to do with your argument in question "If you do not stand up against evil, you become evil."? Let me ask this. Did the PM kill hundreds of thousands of Jews? Did he start the World War II that destroyed half of the world and killed millions of people. Are you comparing Japanese PM to Hitler saying a democratically elected Japanese PM is as evil as Hitler just because you don't like ONE of his many policies? And Japanese people are evil too because they elected him? Comparing Japanese PM to Hitler is totally laughable and absurd. Today’s Japan is one of the democratic countries in the world and it has achieved tremendous progress both politically and economically in just 60 years, especially comparing to China. Internationally it also plays a more constructive and responsible role than many other nations. Do I like every of its policies? No. There are probably no two nations in the world completely agreeing with each other on every policies. But how often we hear countries comparing each other to Hitler? If you don't mean to compare Japanese PM to Hitler, you are throwing out another irrelevant statement/argument.
"the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause: there's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life;
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office and the spurns
That patient merit of the unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscover'd country from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all;
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action.--Soft you now!
by ws"
LOL...
Why hide behind other people's words? Why cut and paste other people's poems? Why not use your own words? If you really have a solid argument you should be able to express it in one or two simple and straightforward sentences, like the ones "If you do not stand up against evil, you become evil" or "Chinese government is as democratic as any in the world", instead of relying on or hiding behind such a long sentimental poem of others. Actually you were not doing that bad, why suddenly change the strategy? I'm not sure if you know that in this day and age, cutting and pasting other people's words/poems is not very difficult, and still nor something common in this type of discussions. If you want to turn the discussion into a competition of cutting and pasting other people's words/poems or play other tricks in order to hide the laughable, stupidity and absurdity of your arguments and your logic, please let me know. I can declare you are the champion now..
In case this is the best you can come up with to impress people, you are insulting people's intelligence again. You need to go back to your drawing board, and try much harder."how can cowards win even a battle? if you choose not to fight against tyranny, you will be tyrannized"
You still don't seem to get it or understand at all.
There are so many factors on whether or not it's necessary to wage a war or to win a war, definitely not just courage, especially not your kind of "courage". It's stupid, misleading and manipulative to talk about ONLY your kind of "courage" as if all other factors not existed especially many other factors are far more important than courage.
It's really difficult to discuss with you on subjects like these, because you really need to read more about modern Chinese history and need some work on your way of thinking. Speaking of your kind of "courage" and your kind of "stand up and fight", let me just tell you this. If you have time please read about and compare how many generals and soldiers died during the war against Japanese between the KMT and the Communist Party. There were about 200 generals died from the KMT's army. How many generals died from the CP? Only 3. Comparing the huge difference between the scale and the effort that the CP had put into the both wars (anti-Japanese, and the civil war), also the scale and the effort that KMT had put into the anti-Japanese war, you can ask your grandfather or the CP "did you stand up and fight the Japanese?" and "how many battles did you fight against Japanese?" You may also ask your grandfather if he was "opportunistic" during the anti-Japanese war comparing to KMT's army.
Please note the anti-Japanese war should be a much more appropriate example for you to talk about regarding to your so called "stand up and fight", not the civil war that Chinese killing Chinese in millions that only you seem to be very proud of and frequently throw out as examples to support your stupid argument. I guess it's either the huge difference between KMT and CP in the determination/performance/sacrifice during the war, or your ignorance about the war had made you so reluctant to even mention that war.
"u cannot rectify history; what happened happened."
Nobody is interested in rectify or change history. But we should learn as much as possible from history in order to avoid the mistakes or crimes made by mankind. We should also face the facts not hide the facts such as the ones that the KMT's army had contributed much much more than what the Communist army did during the war against Japanese for 12 years (not just 8 years on textbooks).
"who are `the more and more people'?"
Are you asking me if I personally know who these people are?...
If you know more about the modern Chinese history especially with more and more previously classified files/facts available, and more and more articles/memoirs people spoke out about many events that they have personally experienced, and more and more research results about the history of that period by researchers/historians you will agree with my argument. But if you don't, no problem.
"chinese government is as democratic as any in the world."
You should have said following one that's even better "the Chinese government is the most democratic one on earth!"...
And you should put it as your signature for every of your posts... Just a quick question. If the "chinese government is as democratic as any in the world." as you put it, then what were you there for at Tian An Meng Square in 89? Who did you "stand up and fight" against? Against the non-democracy of aliens?"is it what u mean by doing the right thing at the right time?"
Don't be so serious, you are flattering yourself. I'm just trying to have some fun. For a dumb yokel like me I don't have to follow that rule. The rule is for smart guys like you.
"no more bathroom things; u started first; it is vulgar."
Vulgar? This is one of the most amusing things I have ever heard. Let me ask you, do you yourself find it's amusing that you are the person who talks about other people being "vulgar"?
It reminds me of someone's history that covers whole spectrum of vulgarity, obscenity, profanity, and the disgusting things this person did, has been doing to people... Ring a bell?...
"hope your soul is cleansed clean there."
You still remember your signature recycling whenever you lost your argument after so many years. I guess old habit really die hard. Amazing isn't it...LOL
"fighting and winning a war takes preparation. esp. around that time, no airplane, ships tediously slow, it is unreasonable to fight a blitz."
You are talking about waging a war again. Who told you Chinese people ARE waging and preparing a blitz war? If you are talking about the Chinese civil war half century ago, you should have said "It WAS unreasonable to fight a blitz." You see, without asking, how can people tell what do you really mean? It is the fact that Chinese civil war had nothing to do with democracy. What's your point to even go into the DETAILS of preparing that civil war? Another example of desperately throwing out irrelevant argument.
If you do mean to wage a blitz NOW. Who is the war that you have been talking so much and so vehemently against? Most times wars that people talk about are the ones against "tyranny or dictatorship", or evaders. There seem no one evading China now. Also, no need to shed a single blood let alone to wage a war against a democratic country because its people can change the government/party/administration every 4 years. So who is the country your war that may take "airplanes, ships and blitz" and so much "preparation" for is against? Is it a "a tyranny or a dictatorship" country?
One piece of advice, try to use your brain before throwing out irrelevant statements/arguments, which seems to have been the pattern of your behavior and your way of thinking. Please be aware not every straw can save you. If you are not careful with what you thought were straws, they can make you look even worse than you already are. Just look at some of the examples or arguments you have thrown out:
- China should compare more with countries of the category such as Sudan, Rwanda, North Korea
- Claim religion is like sex
- Claim government faults are from its people
- Compare the Chinese civil war to democracy in China
- Compare American Black Movement to democracy in China.
- Compare American Civil War to democracy in China
- Compare Nepal to China
- Claim British army was far more powerful than the American farmer army.
- The logic between "ok to be civil disobedient" and "shut up if not chose "bullet""
- Claim Chinese government is as democratic as any in the world
- Claim if you do not stand up against evil, you become evil
- Both Mao and Chinese people were evil and responsible for what happened during the Cultural Revolution
- Compre Japanese PM to Hitler
- Babbling about details of fighting a blitz war
These are just some of what you threw out in the discussion between you and me. I haven't gotten time to check the comments between you and many other people but I already noticed some laughable statements/arguments there. I am sure there are more out there. It's strange that I seem to have this feeling that the more you opened your big mouth, the more stupid and laughable you look and the more artificial and pretentious you sound.
I'm tired of spending time showing you the historical facts, your ignorance, the flaws in your way of thinking and the possible problems in your mental state. I can only hope you will understand these things when you grow older. It's really sad... You helped me more convinced of my understanding on one of the ancient concepts in Taoism and Buddhism. Thanks for that.
"wrong again; i no longer believe in democracy;"
Me wrong again? Hmmm... Let's see. This is what I said:
"Anyone who has BASIC understanding of democracy will not even think of risking the loss of that many Chinese lives."
Let me explain again (one more explaining). Someone who does not believe in democracy can be a person who has a very good understanding of democracy, or a person who knows nothing about democracy while at the same time keeps babbling what people should do. Am I still "wrong again"? I won't be surprised to hear you say yes, what else can you expect from a coward's mouth...
While at your disbelief in democracy, let me take the opportunity to ask why are you so vehemently inciting or advocating Chinese people should take "violent actions" or wage a modern "war" that may involve "battleships, airplanes and blitz etc." against a mysterious non-democratic government? I wonder who that might be?
"keep u L(aughing) O(ut) L(oud). take care not to LYOF (laugh your ass off)."
Looks like you have heard my 286's laughs a lot. Does her laughs sound nice? Sometimes she may get a bit wild...LOL
"when u laugh, make sure it is not midnight."
When someone laughs his ass off who cares if it's midnight or midday plus there are not many people here, and my pigs snore much louder than my laugh. But my 286 always loves you regardless midnight or midday as always has been...LMAO
What another amazing discovery you've found that I can laugh at midnight. You should submit your application for nominee to the Nobel Prize Committee...
Do you want to tell people the other amazing discoveries about my 286? By the way, it seems a bit rude for you not to greet back to my 286 considering how many years you as a secrete admirer have been trying so hard to pay court to her...LMAO"do i need a brain to explain this to u?"
Since you are the one who brought up this question (not me), I think people can answer this question quite easily just look at some of the arguments you said listed above. If you have to ask me, well... based on what you have said, the content of your character, what kind of person you were and are, the number of years and the degree of success you have been courting my 286, let me guess. It may not be such a wild guess you need more than one brain...
By the way I think many people are looking forward to hearing your answer to the question "Was Einstein as evil as Hitler?" and "Were ordinary German people as evil as Hitler?" I don't want to include your parents and your grandparents in this question because the arguments you have thrown out have already made you look too pathetic...
