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do you have simular experience invest in mutual fund?

a friend invested 25,000 dollars 15 years ago into mutual fund, he told me he's investment went up to 40,000 today.

I told him he got riped off by his mutual fund manager big time.

why is that? he asked me

tsx been going up on average 12 percent per year, for the past 15 years.

here are the figures,

year percentage

91 12
92 -3.8
93 30.9
94 0.2
95 16.7
96 31.9
97 10.1
98 -1
99 20.5
00 18.6
01 -14
02 -10
03 22
04 16.9
05 22
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if he simply invested his money into index, which is XIU in toronto sotck market, which he pays 0.17 percent manage fee. he would get the return above plus divident.


for every dollar you invested you get 4.536 time in 15 years, so for $25,000 invested, he should get $113420 return if he brought index.

so what happened to his investment.

he gain 15,000 dollars in 15 years, which is less than the inflation, basicly he lost money, the money manager pocketed the difference with is 73,000 dollars.

from all the research i did, very very few mutual fund will out perform the index, on top of that they charge between 2-5 percent on management fee.

don't get fooled by the people who try to sell you mutual fund, if you aren't certain on buying stocks, the just buy ticker xiu on toronto stock exchange, it's a set of largest 60 sotcks on tsx, and you will be better off than buying any mutual fund.

some of the mutual fund will pay the seller 5 percent right away, money manager are building wealth with your money, you will end up with less money than what you start with if you facter in the inflation, don't get fooled.

i would like to see some good argument on this topic.
 
It depends on what type of mutual fund he invested in. Some equity funds performed avg 10% per year.

His mutual fund averages 4% per year. That'll tell what type of fund he bought.;)
 
最初由 Consciousness 发布
It depends on what type of mutual fund he invested in. Some equity funds performed avg 10% per year.

is that before or after the management fee, and 10 percent a year is under performing index.
 
If he is happy about that 15k that he gained. and he is a conservative investor.

I can see the heaven out from your friend.
 
最初由 dkwan 发布
If he is happy about that 15k that he gained. and he is a conservative investor.

I can see the heaven out from your friend.

what is that suppose to mean.

i can see the heaven out from your friend. i don't get it.

since he changed from his mutual fund to what i suggested, he gained 5 percent in 2 month.

any how, i'm just here to share the information so you don't get ripped off by your money manager.
 
good point, it's better for an investor who has limited investment knowledge to invest in ETFs. But,what I wanna say is why dont you recommend ur friend invest in XIC instead of XIU ? According to the special characteristic of Canadian economy, the largest 60 market cap stocks are mostly within the scope of two industries: Energy/Comodities and Financial Service. It might be risky when the economy goes into a recession which hits the performance of both two industries
 
Generally speak, if you do not know market much and do not like to spend time to understand it, then Index funds are a good choice.

In the same time, it is important to buy index funds at right time. From 1965 to 1982, the Dow only went up one point. If you traded during these 17 years, with high chance you could get a better return.

From year 2000 to 2008, Nasdaq went from 5000 to 2500. That is in 8 years you lost half value.

In financial markets there is no clear rule to always outperform the market.

For individual investors, buying at low and selling at high is always a good rule.
 
This is really a good article.

What is the Semiconductor index stock in Nasdaq? What is the Nasdaq index stock?

I thought it may be good time to buy US index stocks. The reason is that the Canadian dollar is high now. If we buy the stock in US dollars, we would get good return when the US dollars up.
 
First of all, I am totally agree on not buy into any 'managed account' since they charge contributor way too much fee, averaging 1-3%. But on the other hand, not everyone has the 'guts' to face two-digit drop on their money.

Speaking of 15% return, I trade in currency exchange (forex). I am averaging 20+% every month. I don't need to watch the market, I wrote a program to automated all the trading decisions. I paid no management fee at all. So, I can say XIU is under performing investment and paid too much management fee (.17%). Agree?
 
First of all, I am totally agree on not buy into any 'managed account' since they charge contributor way too much fee, averaging 1-3%. But on the other hand, not everyone has the 'guts' to face two-digit drop on their money.

Speaking of 15% return, I trade in currency exchange (forex). I am averaging 20+% every month. I don't need to watch the market, I wrote a program to automated all the trading decisions. I paid no management fee at all. So, I can say XIU is under performing investment and paid too much management fee (.17%). Agree?

Thanks for your valuable inputs.

I totally agree on the first paragraph of your statement.

Just wondering how long have you been auto trading the forex? Is that in a trend market or volatile market? ( Well, I may should not ask this question, cause forex market is always volatile. But I mean the trendy of a certain currency) Thanks.
 
I have a list of total 722 ETFs but don't know why can not attach to the post. I tried txt format but failed times. So if anyone interested in getting one, pls end me private message. I will have to send by email.
 
The system i wrote is for any market, during a trend of course I made much more. But if the market is in range, the money management portion comes into play very handy.

The system works whether the market is up or down but not sideway :)
 
What is the Semiconductor index stock in Nasdaq? What is the Nasdaq index stock?

HOLDRS Merrill Lynch Semiconductor SMH
HOLDRS Merrill Lynch Semiconductor IGW
PowerShares Dynamic Semiconductors PSI
PowerShares Dynamic Semiconductors USD
ProShares UltraShort Semiconductors SSG
SPDR S&P Semiconductor ETF XSD

Nasdaq Index QQQQ
Powershares QLD
Powershares Ultra short QID


Pls check the trading volume before you make any decision.
 
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