Huawei gets trouble from CISCO

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Quentin Hardy, 01.23.03, 5:13 PM ET

PHOENIX - After years of pretending they loved the competition of cheap knockoff routers from China, Cisco Systems filed suit today against Chinese telecom equipment giant Huawei Technologies, charging patent and copyright violations which, if proven, could cripple the Chinese company's recent bold expansion.

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It is the first-ever intellectual property lawsuit for Cisco (nasdaq: CSCO - news - people ), and one senior Cisco officials had tried to avoid by consulting with both Huawei and Chinese government officials. The suit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Texas, where Huawei has two subsidiaries, Huawei America and Future Wei. The suit also seeks to shut down sales of Huawei routers by Spot Distribution, a U.K. company.

The suit cites more copyright than patent violations. Copyright violations are internationally enforceable, and could damage Huawei if Cisco prevails.

A representative of Future Wei had no comment on the suit, and referred press inquiries to Huawei's headquarters, which was closed during the U.S. day.

Huawei, with $2.4 billion in sales both within China and overseas, established the two U.S. subsidiaries last year, and Huawei's U.S. presence likely contributed to Cisco's move. Future Wei's Web site includes direct comparisons with Cisco gear, plus prices at 32% off list. There are already plenty of used Cisco routers on eBay (nasdaq: EBAY - news - people ), hurting Cisco's prices.

Huawei has sold Cisco-type equipment in such noncritical markets as East Africa and West Asia for several years, though lately it has also scored telecom wins in Spain and Germany. Huawei, whose founders have backgrounds in China's military, also was charged with wiring Iraqi defense installations with fiber-optic cable a few years ago.

Mark Chandler, Cisco's general counsel, said the main reason for the suit was the discovery that Huawei was using the same source code for the software powering its routers. The code, called IOS (internetwork operating system), is the crown jewel of Cisco's technology. "Over the past year we had more and more of a case," he says, citing such things as the identical command lines and user manuals between Cisco and Huawei products. "But several months ago we realized the source code was copied--that's when we began direct negotiation." Huawei officials were receptive to negotiations, he said, but never changed their practices.

Chandler says Cisco hopes for what he termed "a recognition by Huawei that its conduct is unacceptable," ending the need for the suit.

Don't expect miracles. For several years Microsoft (nasdaq: MSFT - news - people ) has complained of rampant piracy in China, with little success. Chandler says Cisco's stakes were much higher.

"What we're dealing with isn't someone pressing out CD's. It goes to the fundamental product," he says. "It's an infringement that goes beyond software to the actual architecture of the product."

The lawsuit does indicate a nearly comical level of piracy, including identical (and meaningless) bugs between the source codes. An appendix compares pages from the two companies' user manuals: Huawei's only difference is a slightly more frequent use of decorative stars on the paper.

The penalties Cisco seeks are no joke, however. Besides stopping production of Huawei routers, called Quidway, Cisco is seeking attorney costs, damages, impoundment and destruction of all Huawei routers and manuals, and damages equivalent to profits Huawei made on the gear.
 
最初由 Leo1976 发布
迟早的事

:confused::confused:

You have evidence of Huawei stealing Cisco's code or what?
 
To be honest, that's a sure thing. Not only document, interface and code. Even lots of experienced engineers from CISCO joined Huawei, who brought the whole infrasturcture design to them. About the CLI (command line interface), the two companies' product are exactly same.

But who know's which company is going to win? Remeber several years ago, Mac sued Microsoft for win95, which is very similar to their GUI OS, what happened then?

There is no "good" or "bad", probably they are going to have a "deal".
 
Cisco是不是打算放弃中国市场? 这种双刃剑可能帮了Huawei,至少人们认识了Huawei,甚至认为其产品和Cisco的一样好/坏。
 
俺以为CISCO出此下策也是迫不得已, 感到华为的压力了. 诉讼胜了自不必说, 北美市场尽入CISCO之手.即使不胜也可以干扰华胜扩张的步伐, 给自己多争取点儿时间. 希望华为能挺过这一关.
 
There should be no argument about the similarity of CLI.
Because cisco's CLI has become standard, all other company
try to provide the same CLI. At least, it is convinient for
the customer.
 
It propabally depends on if Cisco has registered it as an intellectual property. Just my guess since it is an legal issue :(
 
真相是:华为确实有抄袭的习惯,被起诉是迟早的事情。中国对知识产权不重视,大家都知道。
 
最初由 kitaro 发布
真相是:华为确实有抄袭的习惯,被起诉是迟早的事情。中国对知识产权不重视,大家都知道。

我为OTTAWA一家STARTUP工作过,CISCO收购被拒绝后,CISCO也起诉我们抄袭.当初两家共同合作开发过一个产品,抄袭的界限真是难以划清.我们也可以反过来诉CISCO,只是财力不歹而已.

华为雇佣了原来CISCO的员工,总不能将他们的大脑洗掉吧.象这样的事情,在"北方硅谷"到处都是,南方硅谷也不会例外.

这种官司是明显的战略利益之争,在起诉期间,甚至可以向法庭申请暂时中止被告的产品在美国销售,官司拖上几年,就把你的产品拖成垃圾.

官司还没开打,先给华为定罪,还中国怎么怎么样.CISCO的律师都没这么铁的嘴.
 
最初由 maybe 发布
To be honest, that's a sure thing. Not only document, interface and code. Even lots of experienced engineers from CISCO joined Huawei, who brought the whole infrasturcture design to them. About the CLI (command line interface), the two companies' product are exactly same.

But who know's which company is going to win? Remeber several years ago, Mac sued Microsoft for win95, which is very similar to their GUI OS, what happened then?

There is no "good" or "bad", probably they are going to have a "deal".

强龙难敌地头蛇:blink:
 
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