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据1月15日出版的《环球时报》报道 14日，一些中国网民周三到谷歌中 国总部门前献花的照片登上《纽约时报》等西方媒体的显著位置。西方评论家们将此视为中国民意反对网络审查的证据。《爱尔兰时报》说，谷歌在中国网络社区上 激起如潮的支持，他们对谷歌的撤出表示惋惜。不过，从14日中国网络传出的各种反应来看，质疑谷歌和力挺谷歌的声音都很激烈，中国网民的态度似乎已因此事 而撕裂。
谷歌事件引发中国网民空前对立
多家中国媒体14日援引中国IT界人士唐骏的话说，谷歌退出中国市 场将是“他们所做的历史上最蠢的决定，放弃中国等于放弃半个未来世界”。而谷歌的支持者称，不是谷歌放弃了中国，而是中国背弃了世界。没有谷歌，“我们将 退化到网络石器时代”。 14日，百度首席设计师孙云丰发文称，谷歌首席法律顾问的调调让我感到恶心。因经济利益退出，就直白地说好了，把自己涂脂抹粉一番，还煞有介事地提到谷歌 被中国人攻击，中国异议分子的Gmail信箱被攻击，把这些事情作为退出中国的铺垫，这种论调是侮辱中国普通老百姓的智商。孙云丰的这番话为他招来谷歌支 持者在互联网上激烈的骂声。
环球网13日开始就谷歌欲撤出中国开始网络投票，当日的题目是：你认为中国政府是否应接受谷歌的条件?这一投票当晚突遭干扰，受到来自多个IP地址的 攻击，其中一个IP地址就狂投6000多票。为保证投票结果客观，环球网当晚取消这一投票，并在14日下午再次举行，但新的投票再次受到外部干扰和攻击。 ●本报驻加、韩、日、德记者 胡枫 詹德斌 谢德良 青木 ●本报记者 卢长银 雷达 ●郑润宇 陈一 柳玉鹏
据1月15日出版的《环球时报》报道 14日，一些中国网民周三到谷歌中 国总部门前献花的照片登上《纽约时报》等西方媒体的显著位置。西方评论家们将此视为中国民意反对网络审查的证据。《爱尔兰时报》说，谷歌在中国网络社区上 激起如潮的支持，他们对谷歌的撤出表示惋惜。不过，从14日中国网络传出的各种反应来看，质疑谷歌和力挺谷歌的声音都很激烈，中国网民的态度似乎已因此事 而撕裂。
谷歌事件引发中国网民空前对立
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多家中国媒体14日援引中国IT界人士唐骏的话说，谷歌退出中国市 场将是“他们所做的历史上最蠢的决定，放弃中国等于放弃半个未来世界”。而谷歌的支持者称，不是谷歌放弃了中国，而是中国背弃了世界。没有谷歌，“我们将 退化到网络石器时代”。 14日，百度首席设计师孙云丰发文称，谷歌首席法律顾问的调调让我感到恶心。因经济利益退出，就直白地说好了，把自己涂脂抹粉一番，还煞有介事地提到谷歌 被中国人攻击，中国异议分子的Gmail信箱被攻击，把这些事情作为退出中国的铺垫，这种论调是侮辱中国普通老百姓的智商。孙云丰的这番话为他招来谷歌支 持者在互联网上激烈的骂声。
环球网13日开始就谷歌欲撤出中国开始网络投票，当日的题目是：你认为中国政府是否应接受谷歌的条件?这一投票当晚突遭干扰，受到来自多个IP地址的 攻击，其中一个IP地址就狂投6000多票。为保证投票结果客观，环球网当晚取消这一投票，并在14日下午再次举行，但新的投票再次受到外部干扰和攻击。 ●本报驻加、韩、日、德记者 胡枫 詹德斌 谢德良 青木 ●本报记者 卢长银 雷达 ●郑润宇 陈一 柳玉鹏
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是吗，我怎么觉得这可能要比盖茨花钱捐些什么慈善机构更有实际意义呢？
http://iflonely.com/wordpress/2010/01/清朝闭关锁国与现代网络审核的对比/
清朝闭关锁国与现代网络审核的对比
后人哀之而不鉴之，亦使后人而复哀后人也 …以俟夫观人风者得焉
对比
目的
清朝闭关锁国: 控制异教传播，以稳定统治
现代网络审查:控制外国非法势力传播，以稳定统治
方法与表现
清朝闭关锁国: 对本国人出海进行了严格的规定。清廷规定出海贸易的商民必须经过申请、具保、核准后发给执照才能出海贸易，同时对出海贸易船只的大小、水手人数、时间甚至携带的口粮做出种种近乎苛刻的规定。
现代网络审查: 域名、主机审核；限制ADSL 80端口等
清朝闭关锁国: 清廷于1757年下达广州“一口通商”命令，同时严禁粮食、铁及铁器、硫磺、硝、书籍等物品出口，对丝、丝织品、茶叶、大黄的出口量严加限制。
现代网络审查: 关键词过滤，网页Reset等
清朝闭关锁国: 天朝物产丰盈，无所不有，原不籍外夷货物，以通有无。
现代网络审查: 国有大势力进军网络方方面面，国进民退
原因
清朝闭关锁国: “以理杀人”。清中期统治者的意志成为道德、理念的最终依据，这种意志被标榜为“天理”，从而使其它思想被彻底剥夺了合法生存的空间，整个社会普遍流行以强势意志压制人的自由思想，从而造成整个思想界死气沉沉。
现代网络审查: 某部门觉得如何就如何，说你低俗你就低俗，严肃处理各种“违法乱纪”行为。Blogbus说禁就禁 “以偏盖全”。
清朝闭关锁国: 由于对西方世界的种种误解，这一时期的中国人对西方传入的各种科学技术乃至于西方人抱有很深的偏见和贬斥心理，虽然也知道“西术”确比“中法”精密，但为了维护中华的体统，而一律鄙视称之为“奇技淫巧”打入思想的最低层。
现代网络审查: 阴谋论的盛行在很多人的心里 “知足长乐”。危机意识太弱。客观地讲这一时期的中国人对外部世界缺乏正确的认识，中国上下对外危机意识十分淡薄。 各种盛大活动层出不穷，人民安居乐业，天下唯我独尊 “墨守成规”。缺乏创新和进取精神。
清朝闭关锁国: 清代科举制对中国知识界产生了巨大的影响，程朱理学独尊，与科举无关的学术被绝大多数人毫无留恋地摈弃了，严重桎梏了中国知识界的活力和创造性。
现代网络审查: 应试教育导致创新缺乏，走在技术思想最前沿的信息被一起摒弃了
结果
清朝闭关锁国: 国破家亡
现代网络审查: 拭目以待
清朝闭关锁国与现代网络审核的对比
后人哀之而不鉴之，亦使后人而复哀后人也 …以俟夫观人风者得焉
对比
目的
清朝闭关锁国: 控制异教传播，以稳定统治
现代网络审查:控制外国非法势力传播，以稳定统治
方法与表现
清朝闭关锁国: 对本国人出海进行了严格的规定。清廷规定出海贸易的商民必须经过申请、具保、核准后发给执照才能出海贸易，同时对出海贸易船只的大小、水手人数、时间甚至携带的口粮做出种种近乎苛刻的规定。
现代网络审查: 域名、主机审核；限制ADSL 80端口等
清朝闭关锁国: 清廷于1757年下达广州“一口通商”命令，同时严禁粮食、铁及铁器、硫磺、硝、书籍等物品出口，对丝、丝织品、茶叶、大黄的出口量严加限制。
现代网络审查: 关键词过滤，网页Reset等
清朝闭关锁国: 天朝物产丰盈，无所不有，原不籍外夷货物，以通有无。
现代网络审查: 国有大势力进军网络方方面面，国进民退
原因
清朝闭关锁国: “以理杀人”。清中期统治者的意志成为道德、理念的最终依据，这种意志被标榜为“天理”，从而使其它思想被彻底剥夺了合法生存的空间，整个社会普遍流行以强势意志压制人的自由思想，从而造成整个思想界死气沉沉。
现代网络审查: 某部门觉得如何就如何，说你低俗你就低俗，严肃处理各种“违法乱纪”行为。Blogbus说禁就禁 “以偏盖全”。
清朝闭关锁国: 由于对西方世界的种种误解，这一时期的中国人对西方传入的各种科学技术乃至于西方人抱有很深的偏见和贬斥心理，虽然也知道“西术”确比“中法”精密，但为了维护中华的体统，而一律鄙视称之为“奇技淫巧”打入思想的最低层。
现代网络审查: 阴谋论的盛行在很多人的心里 “知足长乐”。危机意识太弱。客观地讲这一时期的中国人对外部世界缺乏正确的认识，中国上下对外危机意识十分淡薄。 各种盛大活动层出不穷，人民安居乐业，天下唯我独尊 “墨守成规”。缺乏创新和进取精神。
清朝闭关锁国: 清代科举制对中国知识界产生了巨大的影响，程朱理学独尊，与科举无关的学术被绝大多数人毫无留恋地摈弃了，严重桎梏了中国知识界的活力和创造性。
现代网络审查: 应试教育导致创新缺乏，走在技术思想最前沿的信息被一起摒弃了
结果
清朝闭关锁国: 国破家亡
现代网络审查: 拭目以待
http://www.newsweek.com/id/231117
A Conversation With Google’s Chairman and CEO
By Fareed Zakaria | NEWSWEEK
Published Jan 15, 2010
From the magazine issue dated Jan 25, 2010
Google CEO Eric Schmidt has long defended his company's decision to do business in China despite the restrictions that Beijing imposes on Internet freedom. Nevertheless, last week the company abruptly threatened to pull out after suffering hacker attacks believed to have originated in China. Schmidt explained why to NEWSWEEK's Fareed Zakaria in an exclusive interview. Excerpts:
Why did you make this decision? It surprised many people and many companies.
Google is a different kind of company than many others. The issue of operating in China was always complex for us. We were asked to accept a system of censorship that we were very uncomfortable with. But we had come to the conclusion that operating in China was better for everyone—us, the Chinese people—than staying out of the country. We have decided that we cannot participate in censorship anymore.
What happened over the last months to come to this decision?
We came across a lot of evidence of the monitoring of Chinese dissidents through the Web. We do not have clear evidence as to who was doing the monitoring, but you can draw your own conclusions.
Is there a lot of such monitoring?
There is probably a lot more than what we found.
Why did you announce this publicly rather than go to the Chinese government and try to work things out?
We are going to the Chinese government, and we hope we can work things out. But we want to be transparent. We don't want to keep secrets. So we decided to first make a public announcement and now we are having discussions with the Chinese government.
Are they going anywhere?
It's much too early to tell; they really have just begun.
Won't some people say that you have a fiduciary responsibility to your shareholders to maximize profit?
When we filed for our IPO, we attached to the document a statement about how we wanted to run our business. We said we were going to be different. We said that we were going to be motivated by concerns that were not always or strictly business ones. This is an extension of that view. This was not a business decision—the business decision would obviously have been to continue to participate in the Chinese market. It was a decision based on values. We tried to ask what would be best from a global standpoint.
Do you believe that China can still globalize while maintaining its censorship system?
China's embrace of globalization has been a great boon for China and the world. It has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty. But China is placing restrictions on information that few countries place. China is the only country in the world where Google was willing to offer a local site that followed the regime's censorship laws. We haven't done this anywhere else. Other countries sometimes block, say, YouTube for a few weeks. But then we talk to them, point out that they were offended by one video out of literally hundreds of millions. And we work things out. So, China places unique limits on information.
And this will hurt them economically?
I believe it will in the long run. You're much better off with a system in which people can be free to imagine, invent, and connect with one another. The more people who can speculate, the better. The more human-to-human connections, the better. Everything we do at Google empowers the individual. And we want to empower the individual.
What's the likely outcome here? That [Chinese search engine] Baidu will totally dominate the market?
That's one possible outcome. The other is that we can work out an agreement with the Chinese government and continue to operate. Or that some other company moves in. And please understand, we will still have engineers, programmers, and others in China. We love China and the Chinese people. This is not about them. It's about our unwillingness to participate in censorship.
© 2010
A Conversation With Google’s Chairman and CEO
By Fareed Zakaria | NEWSWEEK
Published Jan 15, 2010
From the magazine issue dated Jan 25, 2010
Google CEO Eric Schmidt has long defended his company's decision to do business in China despite the restrictions that Beijing imposes on Internet freedom. Nevertheless, last week the company abruptly threatened to pull out after suffering hacker attacks believed to have originated in China. Schmidt explained why to NEWSWEEK's Fareed Zakaria in an exclusive interview. Excerpts:
Why did you make this decision? It surprised many people and many companies.
Google is a different kind of company than many others. The issue of operating in China was always complex for us. We were asked to accept a system of censorship that we were very uncomfortable with. But we had come to the conclusion that operating in China was better for everyone—us, the Chinese people—than staying out of the country. We have decided that we cannot participate in censorship anymore.
What happened over the last months to come to this decision?
We came across a lot of evidence of the monitoring of Chinese dissidents through the Web. We do not have clear evidence as to who was doing the monitoring, but you can draw your own conclusions.
Is there a lot of such monitoring?
There is probably a lot more than what we found.
Why did you announce this publicly rather than go to the Chinese government and try to work things out?
We are going to the Chinese government, and we hope we can work things out. But we want to be transparent. We don't want to keep secrets. So we decided to first make a public announcement and now we are having discussions with the Chinese government.
Are they going anywhere?
It's much too early to tell; they really have just begun.
Won't some people say that you have a fiduciary responsibility to your shareholders to maximize profit?
When we filed for our IPO, we attached to the document a statement about how we wanted to run our business. We said we were going to be different. We said that we were going to be motivated by concerns that were not always or strictly business ones. This is an extension of that view. This was not a business decision—the business decision would obviously have been to continue to participate in the Chinese market. It was a decision based on values. We tried to ask what would be best from a global standpoint.
Do you believe that China can still globalize while maintaining its censorship system?
China's embrace of globalization has been a great boon for China and the world. It has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty. But China is placing restrictions on information that few countries place. China is the only country in the world where Google was willing to offer a local site that followed the regime's censorship laws. We haven't done this anywhere else. Other countries sometimes block, say, YouTube for a few weeks. But then we talk to them, point out that they were offended by one video out of literally hundreds of millions. And we work things out. So, China places unique limits on information.
And this will hurt them economically?
I believe it will in the long run. You're much better off with a system in which people can be free to imagine, invent, and connect with one another. The more people who can speculate, the better. The more human-to-human connections, the better. Everything we do at Google empowers the individual. And we want to empower the individual.
What's the likely outcome here? That [Chinese search engine] Baidu will totally dominate the market?
That's one possible outcome. The other is that we can work out an agreement with the Chinese government and continue to operate. Or that some other company moves in. And please understand, we will still have engineers, programmers, and others in China. We love China and the Chinese people. This is not about them. It's about our unwillingness to participate in censorship.
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