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人弃我要,人要我给。(Contrarian investing or value investing?)平均一年回报 大概10%(2007至今)。

心理承受能力低的人不适合用这个方法。

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrarian_investing

In finance, a contrarian is one who attempts to profit by investing in a manner that differs from the conventional wisdom, when the consensus opinion appears to be wrong.

A contrarian believes that certain crowd behavior among investors can lead to exploitable mispricings in securities markets. For example, widespread pessimism about a stock can drive a price so low that it overstates the company's risks, and understates its prospects for returning to profitability. Identifying and purchasing such distressed stocks, and selling them after the company recovers, can lead to above-average gains. Conversely, widespread optimism can result in unjustifiably high valuations that will eventually lead to drops, when those high expectations don't pan out. Avoiding (or short-selling) investments in over-hyped investments reduces the risk of such drops. These general principles can apply whether the investment in question is an individual stock, an industry sector, or an entire market or any other asset class.


Similarity to value investing

Contrarian investing is related to value investing in that the contrarian is also looking for mispriced investments and buying those that appear to be undervalued by the market. Some well-known value investors such as John Neff have questioned whether there is a such thing as a "contrarian", seeing it as essentially synonymous with value investing. One possible distinction is that a value stock, in finance theory, can be identified by financial metrics such as the book value or P/E ratio. A contrarian investor may look at those metrics, but is also interested in measures of "sentiment" regarding the stock among other investors, such as sell-side analyst coverage and earnings forecasts, trading volume, and media commentary about the company and its business prospects.

In the example of a stock that has dropped because of excessive pessimism, one can see similarities to the "margin of safety" that value investor Benjamin Graham sought when purchasing stocks -- essentially, being able to buy shares at a discount to their intrinsic value. Arguably that margin of safety is more likely to exist when a stock has fallen a great deal, and that type of drop is usually accompanied by negative news and general pessimism.

Along with this, although more dangerous, is shorting overvalued stocks. This requires 'deep pockets' in that an overvalued security may continue to rise, due to over-optimism, for quite some time. Eventually, the short-seller believes, the stock will 'crash and burn'.
 
Congratulations.

Would you mind sharing a few past/current examples?
 
10%, 少了点


2007-2010市场表现如何?
目前TSX刚刚达到2007水平,三年0%回报。加上YIELD吧,也就2-3%一年。
DJIA还没回到2007年水平。
 
Congratulations.

Would you mind sharing a few past/current examples?


Example: XRE,VNQ, couple financial stocks

I started investing in 2006 with small capital. in 2008, the market started to drop slowly, everyone was yelling sky was falling. I kept buying as the stocks dropped. I bought positions through out the down turn. The key to prevent jumping the boat is the dividend/interest distribution. 70% of my positions provide quarterly or monthly income. Even the price drops in half, I am still receiving monthly quarterly dividend. As Peter Lynch said " People still need to wake up and brush teeth and put a shirt on every morning and some company will turn a profit. " (Paraphrased)At the lowest point, my portfolio worth ~60% of the original value and I can still sleep at night. It disappoints me that Derek foster advocates "buy and never sell" but sold his investment at the bottom of 2009. One doesn't need a high IQ to succeed in investing but need a high EQ.

The safest way is by investing in a sector ETF. A stock can go to zero but a traditional sector is unlikely suddenly disappear such as energy, material, real estate, financial. During this recession, I mainly invested in real estate and financial. And I got most of them right except couple under-performaning stocks. But as the market rebounds, they provide more gain than other good stocks. The stocks that people hate most is my favorite providing their fundamental is safe. The questions I'll ask: How much room can this stock drops? How much room can this stock rises? Is the business strong enough to survive? (margin of safety).

PS. I found my calculation was wrong.
Now I used XIRR function in excel and calculated my annual return is 14% over the past 4 years. I remember my first investment was a RBC equity fund and I made 10% a year and I was so satisfied. It's not hard to beat the mutual fund. Mutual fund are limited by the rules. They don't have the freedom to buy whatever/however they want. They need to match the performance of others. e.g rise and drop at the same time so the fund manager can keep the job.


Currently, I don't see very attractive investments so my portfolio will keep steady for a while. Looking forward to buy some long term bond fund in the next couple years but right now the yield is still too low it's not worth it. The bond price is going to go down.
 
最危险的地方才是最安全的. :D
 
最危险的地方才是最安全的. :D

逆向思维的运用之一。 我记得Robert kiyosaki说过这样一句话: I am often asked, "What advice do you have for the average investor?" My reply is, "Don't be average." :D
 
This is similar to Buffett's teaching:

To succeed in a spectacular fashion you had to be spectacularly unusual.
 
我认为投资股市主要有3种风险:
1. 公司临近破产或者已经破产.
股市下跌总有一天会回升,但走向破产的公司就让投资打水漂了。其实公司破产的机会是非常低的。

2. 长期走水平平线.
这个不用解释。得不到该得到的投资回报。

3.用太高的代价购买.(导致下跌的潜能太大)
因为用太高的代价购买,因此跌的时候是很血淋淋的。例子:NORTEL.
这个代价可以用P/E,P/B RATIO衡量,当然不同的行业的标准是不同的。同一个PE在不同的行业可能是高也可能是低。


一般人的眼中,只有一个风险:就是股票下跌。
投资下跌不一定是风险。那要看跌的原因是什么。如果公司Balance sheet很强,破产的可能性不大,而且未来的Earning potential有可能恢复,那这个也许是个机遇。

PS. 介绍Benjamin Graham的一种简单投资方法: 50%股票。 50%高质量国债(Bond)。每隔一段时间就Rebalance 50/50,譬如几个月,或者1年, 收益应该不会太差, 应该会比很多Mutual fund都强。风险非常低。Bond的波动范围很小的,会缓和股票的Volatility。 股票可以使单独的公司也可以是INDEX ETF。 BOND可以使单独的BOND,也可以使BOND FUND。这个方法会自动Buy low,sell high.
 
布局美元怎么样?
 
Good thinking. Do you actually read 10K, annual reports etc to figure out potentials or risks ? If you do, that is great and maybe we have common interest in some companies. Or at least finding companies with high potentials.

It is worthwhile to be familiar with a list of good companies and follow them for long period of time. Opportunities are normally spotted with intimate knowledge.

In XRE.TO for instance, I looked to RioCan and car_u.to a few years ago. During this crisis, they fell but not enough. They didn't provide potential of more than double and thus I passed. However, someday, they may be attractive comparing to overall market.

I am trying to figure out what happened to Cott and any potentials on Jones Soda. If you are interested, we can do some study and share ideas.
 
布局美元怎么样?

现在很多人认为美元没有前途,会慢慢变得没有价值,所以反对投资美国.事实是美国的实力还是很强的,至少比加拿大强很多. 美国有创新有人才,加拿大只靠卖资源。我不投机货币。我是在投资美国的实力。

我对待美元资产的做法是,从总资产中分出一定%直接投资美国,目前是15%左右。虽然自从我投资美国,美元贬值了20%,由于个人资产是长期增长的,所以对美元资产的总投资也会长期增长。 一路买进,DCA的作用下,现在我的美元成本大概1:1.02. :) 未来如果美元反弹,那只是一个BONUS。
 
Good thinking. Do you actually read 10K, annual reports etc to figure out potentials or risks ? If you do, that is great and maybe we have common interest in some companies. Or at least finding companies with high potentials.

It is worthwhile to be familiar with a list of good companies and follow them for long period of time. Opportunities are normally spotted with intimate knowledge.

In XRE.TO for instance, I looked to RioCan and car_u.to a few years ago. During this crisis, they fell but not enough. They didn't provide potential of more than double and thus I passed. However, someday, they may be attractive comparing to overall market.

I am trying to figure out what happened to Cott and any potentials on Jones Soda. If you are interested, we can do some study and share ideas.

I don't spend a lot of time studying financial statement and waiting for the price to drop. I just try to spot a new opportunity once in a while and those consist a very small portion of my portfolio.A newly acquired venture is YLO.TO. It looks like it's undervalued but there's a factor of industry risk with this one.

A person can be the best in interpreting financial statement but it doesn't mean he/she's the best investor. The mistake I made at the beginning was I studied different companies every day and I switched between companied too frequently. Within a year, I realized I wasn't going anywhere.

Benjamin G defined shrewd investor as investor won't invest a cent until the next big bear market but they could miss out a lot of the gain. I bought a small position of Riocan in Nov 2009 and until now it gained 39%. My rationale of buying it is very simple: It's the landlord of Walmart and Futureshop etc. Its valuation and payout ratio seem relatively high and that's why I didn't invest a lot in this REIT.
 
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