是不是学好英文一定要出国才行?
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<HTML>1.The standard for "good english" is different between china and canada. In china,your opponent is chinese, for who,english is second languge,so as long as your english is above average chinese level,your english is good and you have chance getting job in foreign enterprise. When come to canada,your competitor changed to a bunch of people whose native languge is english.So "good english" means you can say english like local people.One of the reason so many new immigrant can find compute related job here, I think is our competitor is also chinese even in canada.
2.I personally believe that saying fluent english with some accent is much better than speaking stumbled english without any accent, especially in canada. Canada is an immigration country, so people have high tolerance for english with heavy accent. And changing accent is definitely not easy for people whose age is older than 25.
When i was in shenzhen,i met a guy who can speak amazingly excellent english. He is "laosanjie", like people of that generation, went to country and was deprived of the education right. I always want to know his secret,but after hearing him speak a couple of dialects,I realize that i can not learn language gift from him. Life is short,better not to waste time on things beyound your potential. So my persue goal for english is to say fluent english, not terrific english.
3.After staying in canada for nearly ten months,i always feel frustrated by my english improvement.I have no break-through feeling.I know "Roman is not built in one day" and learning language is definetely a time-consuming thing,but i think there must be some useful tips to help people with more efficient learning.I read english novel to enlarge my vocabulary and watch TV comedy to elevate my listening ability. But for speaking,so far i don't figue out a good way.It sounds a little absurd that i can not find much chance to speak english(chat,not just say hello) in english speaking country. Hope some people contribute your valuable and practical experience in improving english,especially oral english.</HTML>
2.I personally believe that saying fluent english with some accent is much better than speaking stumbled english without any accent, especially in canada. Canada is an immigration country, so people have high tolerance for english with heavy accent. And changing accent is definitely not easy for people whose age is older than 25.
When i was in shenzhen,i met a guy who can speak amazingly excellent english. He is "laosanjie", like people of that generation, went to country and was deprived of the education right. I always want to know his secret,but after hearing him speak a couple of dialects,I realize that i can not learn language gift from him. Life is short,better not to waste time on things beyound your potential. So my persue goal for english is to say fluent english, not terrific english.
3.After staying in canada for nearly ten months,i always feel frustrated by my english improvement.I have no break-through feeling.I know "Roman is not built in one day" and learning language is definetely a time-consuming thing,but i think there must be some useful tips to help people with more efficient learning.I read english novel to enlarge my vocabulary and watch TV comedy to elevate my listening ability. But for speaking,so far i don't figue out a good way.It sounds a little absurd that i can not find much chance to speak english(chat,not just say hello) in english speaking country. Hope some people contribute your valuable and practical experience in improving english,especially oral english.</HTML>
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<HTML>neighbor girl, here are a few attempts:
- develop friendship with your colleagues, not only work relationship; have some casual conversations besides work discussion.
- greeting your neighbors. start from weather.
- don't simply refuse some guys hitting on you
you can still hang out like friends.
- get involved in community and volunteer programs.
- share accommodation with native speakers.
- dating a native is the best way of improving your spoken english
Actually your problem can be translated as: how to get to know some native friends? I think all of immigrants from mainland have this problem. If you are at school, it's much easier. If you are at work, try things I listed above. The bottom line is: get involved.
Alternatives:
Sometimes I think Chinese people speak less English here than people in China who frequent English corners. It would be ridiculous to have such a thing like English corner in Canada, but I still think Chinese here who feel like to improve their English can organize something like discussion group, meet regularly and discuss technique or life problems. Each member has chance to have a presentation in turn, and invite some natives as guest speakers. I have something in mind. If I have time I'd like to put it in practice. If anyone think it is a good idea or like to organize please response here.
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- develop friendship with your colleagues, not only work relationship; have some casual conversations besides work discussion.
- greeting your neighbors. start from weather.
- don't simply refuse some guys hitting on you
you can still hang out like friends.- get involved in community and volunteer programs.
- share accommodation with native speakers.
- dating a native is the best way of improving your spoken english
Actually your problem can be translated as: how to get to know some native friends? I think all of immigrants from mainland have this problem. If you are at school, it's much easier. If you are at work, try things I listed above. The bottom line is: get involved.
Alternatives:
Sometimes I think Chinese people speak less English here than people in China who frequent English corners. It would be ridiculous to have such a thing like English corner in Canada, but I still think Chinese here who feel like to improve their English can organize something like discussion group, meet regularly and discuss technique or life problems. Each member has chance to have a presentation in turn, and invite some natives as guest speakers. I have something in mind. If I have time I'd like to put it in practice. If anyone think it is a good idea or like to organize please response here.
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<HTML>Here is my 0.02
1) Have lunch with local people. And talk with them. Because the topics will be more casual than work.
2) Do more presentations. I did twice. They are not so good. But I will try.
3) Speak more in meeting. Keep asking questions.
4) Don't use e-mail to avoid conversation. In my case, I feel I attempt to use e-mail sometimes so that I don't need to talk with others. Make phone calls and talk.
5) A lady told me keep talking, explain the problem until other understand you.
Anyway, I am a shy guy. I still want to accomplish the weakness.</HTML>
1) Have lunch with local people. And talk with them. Because the topics will be more casual than work.
2) Do more presentations. I did twice. They are not so good. But I will try.
3) Speak more in meeting. Keep asking questions.
4) Don't use e-mail to avoid conversation. In my case, I feel I attempt to use e-mail sometimes so that I don't need to talk with others. Make phone calls and talk.
5) A lady told me keep talking, explain the problem until other understand you.
Anyway, I am a shy guy. I still want to accomplish the weakness.</HTML>
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<HTML>Hi there:
Have you heard Toastmasters Club? This is a presentation club, which helps you to improve your presentation skills and your leadership skills. By paying $35 CAN per half year, the club member gather together once a week. Some members are doing presentation voluntarily, others are acting as evaluators to provide evaluation and recommendation for improvement. You can pick up any topics you like. Club provides materials couching you step by step. I have joined it over two years, and felt good at my presentation skills and confidence, not in only oral English presentation, but also organizing your speech, hosting meeting, even humours style (I translated several famous Chinese XiangSheng into English to tell to my audience, and they are enjoying them, saying "Wayne, you are so funny.") All members in my club are native Canadians. There are several clubs across Ottawa, one is in Ottawa University. If you are interested, you can call (819)778-2080 Sylvie Limoges, or call me at (613)748-2078 for information.
By the way, for these newcomers, my experience is to learn English like a baby, repeat TV or radio sentence by sentence, words by words. You do not need to bother to understand what does that mean, just repeat and repeat (recall how your baby starting to learn speak: daddy, mom..., they do not understand at beginning). After a while, you can record a piece of speech by someone you like his voice (say Cliton speech for a half hour), then try to write down every word he said on paper, then record your own speak for the same contents by coping his voice and accent again and again until you satisfied (I try this by recording George Bush Sr. speech, and it works for me). After 3-5 year effort, you can say you can communicate in English effectively. Good luck.
Wayne</HTML>
Have you heard Toastmasters Club? This is a presentation club, which helps you to improve your presentation skills and your leadership skills. By paying $35 CAN per half year, the club member gather together once a week. Some members are doing presentation voluntarily, others are acting as evaluators to provide evaluation and recommendation for improvement. You can pick up any topics you like. Club provides materials couching you step by step. I have joined it over two years, and felt good at my presentation skills and confidence, not in only oral English presentation, but also organizing your speech, hosting meeting, even humours style (I translated several famous Chinese XiangSheng into English to tell to my audience, and they are enjoying them, saying "Wayne, you are so funny.") All members in my club are native Canadians. There are several clubs across Ottawa, one is in Ottawa University. If you are interested, you can call (819)778-2080 Sylvie Limoges, or call me at (613)748-2078 for information.
By the way, for these newcomers, my experience is to learn English like a baby, repeat TV or radio sentence by sentence, words by words. You do not need to bother to understand what does that mean, just repeat and repeat (recall how your baby starting to learn speak: daddy, mom..., they do not understand at beginning). After a while, you can record a piece of speech by someone you like his voice (say Cliton speech for a half hour), then try to write down every word he said on paper, then record your own speak for the same contents by coping his voice and accent again and again until you satisfied (I try this by recording George Bush Sr. speech, and it works for me). After 3-5 year effort, you can say you can communicate in English effectively. Good luck.
Wayne</HTML>
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