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China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

28 March 2011 Last updated at 17:28 ET

David Shukman
Science and environment correspondent, BBC News

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China's surge in progress could soon overwhelm the US, say experts

China is on course to overtake the US in scientific output possibly as soon as 2013 - far earlier than expected.

That is the conclusion of a major new study by the Royal Society, the UK's national science academy.

The country that invented the compass, gunpowder, paper and printing is set for a globally important comeback.

An analysis of published research - one of the key measures of scientific effort - reveals an "especially striking" rise by Chinese science.

The study, Knowledge, Networks and Nations, charts the challenge to the traditional dominance of the United States, Europe and Japan.

The figures are based on the papers published in recognised international journals listed by the Scopus service of the publishers Elsevier.

In 1996, the first year of the analysis, the US published 292,513 papers - more than 10 times China's 25,474.

By 2008, the US total had increased very slightly to 316,317 while China's had surged more than seven-fold to 184,080.

Previous estimates for the rate of expansion of Chinese science had suggested that China might overtake the US sometime after 2020.

But this study shows that China, after displacing the UK as the world's second leading producer of research, could go on to overtake America in as little as two years' time.

"Projections vary, but a simple linear interpretation of Elsevier's publishing data suggests that this could take place as early as 2013," it says.



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Professor Sir Chris Llewellyn Smith, chair of the report, said he was "not surprised" by this increase because of China's massive boost to investment in R&D.

Chinese spending has grown by 20% per year since 1999, now reaching over $100bn, and as many as 1.5 million science and engineering students graduated from Chinese universities in 2006.

"I think this is positive, of great benefit, though some might see it as a threat and it does serve as a wake-up call for us not to become complacent."

The report stresses that American research output will not decline in absolute terms and raises the possibility of countries like Japan and France rising to meet the Chinese challenge.

"But the potential for China to match American output in terms of sheer numbers in the near to medium term is clear."

Quality questions

The authors describe "dramatic" changes in the global scientific landscape and warn that this has implications for a nation's competitiveness.

According to the report, "The scientific league tables are not just about prestige - they are a barometer of a country's ability to compete on the world stage".

Along with the growth of the Chinese economy, this is yet another indicator of China's extraordinarily rapid rise as a global force.

However the report points out that a growing volume of research publications does not necessarily mean in increase in quality.

One key indicator of the value of any research is the number of times it is quoted by other scientists in their work.

Although China has risen in the "citation" rankings, its performance on this measure lags behind its investment and publication rate.

"It will take some time for the absolute output of emerging nations to challenge the rate at which this research is referenced by the international scientific community."

The UK's scientific papers are still the second most-cited in the world, after the US.

Dr Cong Cao, associate professor at Nottingham University's School of Contemporary Chinese Studies, agrees with the assessment that the quantity of China's science is yet not matched by its quality.

A sociologist originally from Shanghai, Dr Cao told the BBC: "There are many millions of graduates but they are mandated to publish so the numbers are high.

"It will take many years for some of the research to catch up to Western standards."

As to China's motivation, Dr Cao believes that there is a determination not to be dependent on foreign know-how - and to reclaim the country's historic role as a global leader in technology.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12885271#dna-comments
 
哥们,这个可能是个笑话。想想北大清华啥时超过harvard MIT吧。
 
哥们,这个可能是个笑话。想想北大清华啥时超过harvard MIT吧。

中国与西方不同。

西方的主要科学研究,在大学。所以,西方大学有很多著名的科学家。国家科研机构主要服务于应用和经济。

中国情况相反。中国大学里很少著名科学家,大学的教授以及“知识分子”还被称为“叫兽”,主要是忽悠和骗钱,玩女人。中国的科学研究,在科研单位,军工,工厂,农村和科学院的国家重点实验室。

比如中国航天还不错吧?但那里是中国仅次于军队,最专制的地方。中国所有机构中,只有军队和航天部一直保留有“政治部”,注重思想教育,强调“又红又专”。航天部下属所有部门里,一把手都是书记,是典型的外行领导内行。型号研制也一样,总工程师要听总指挥的。新招收的科技人员除必须参加军训之外,还要下基层,进工厂与一线工人和技术员打成一片。

中国有世界上素质最差的自由散漫教授,靠他们是不行的。


恩格斯说过:“社会一旦有技术上的需要,则这种需要就会比十所大学更能把科学推向前进”。中国缺能源,缺水,缺人才。。。所以,中国在低温核聚变,基础物理,基本粒子,空间科学,教育等方面的投入是很吓人的。西方已经有人预言,解决全球能源问题的希望在中国。(美国欧洲等国政府被石油大亨绑架了,很难投入大量人力物力研发新能源)。


也忽悠一下:科学史一再证明,民主制度不利于科学发展,只有专制独裁体制才能更快发展科学。
独裁的前苏联为什么比民主后的俄罗斯科技发展快?
美国为什么二战后科技领先?--不是因为民主,主要是二战后从当时独裁专制的德国枪了一大批德国科学家。这批科学家以及他们带的嫡系学生(主要是山寨他们老师的研究)死后,美国科学就要完蛋了。

最深地下实验室在四川投入使用 将研究暗物质
http://news.ifeng.com/mainland/detail_2010_12/12/3466153_0.shtml

中国核聚变技术震惊全球
http://blog.chinamil.com.cn/user1/bureshiweike/archives/2008/240730.html

中国三大高能物理研究装置
http://www.kepu.net.cn/gb/technology/nuclear/meet/200207300073.html

中国科技的世界印象:“快、深、大”印记最深
http://www.wzrb.com.cn/article145513show.html

美国费米实验室粒子加速器9月将因预算关闭(图)
http://www.ce.cn/xwzx/kj/201101/17/t20110117_22146238.shtml
 
中国与西方不同。
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中国情况相反。中国大学里很少著名科学家,。。。

这个得顶一下。
情况就是这样。当年“两弹一星”的研制主要是由各研究机构承担的。以原子弹核心化学技术部分的浓缩铀技术为例,当时主要是由四大研究院/所承担的:上海有机所;长春应化所;北京化学所;大连化学物理研究所。几乎没大学什么鸟事。
 
也是。但是大学不强大,大环境都不好,我想象不出来,中国的科技如何持续领先。
可以学美国的做法哈,从全世界尤其是美国大量移民科技人才。挖墙脚。:D



中国与西方不同。

西方的主要科学研究,在大学。所以,西方大学有很多著名的科学家。国家科研机构主要服务于应用和经济。

中国情况相反。中国大学里很少著名科学家,大学的教授以及“知识分子”还被称为“叫兽”,主要是忽悠和骗钱,玩女人。中国的科学研究,在科研单位,军工,工厂,农村和科学院的国家重点实验室。

比如中国航天还不错吧?但那里是中国仅次于军队,最专制的地方。中国所有机构中,只有军队和航天部一直保留有“政治部”,注重思想教育,强调“又红又专”。航天部下属所有部门里,一把手都是书记,是典型的外行领导内行。型号研制也一样,总工程师要听总指挥的。新招收的科技人员除必须参加军训之外,还要下基层,进工厂与一线工人和技术员打成一片。

中国有世界上素质最差的自由散漫教授,靠他们是不行的。


恩格斯说过:“社会一旦有技术上的需要,则这种需要就会比十所大学更能把科学推向前进”。中国缺能源,缺水,缺人才。。。所以,中国在低温核聚变,基础物理,基本粒子,空间科学,教育等方面的投入是很吓人的。西方已经有人预言,解决全球能源问题的希望在中国。(美国欧洲等国政府被石油大亨绑架了,很难投入大量人力物力研发新能源)。


也忽悠一下:科学史一再证明,民主制度不利于科学发展,只有专制独裁体制才能更快发展科学。
独裁的前苏联为什么比民主后的俄罗斯科技发展快?
美国为什么二战后科技领先?--不是因为民主,主要是二战后从当时独裁专制的德国枪了一大批德国科学家。这批科学家以及他们带的嫡系学生(主要是山寨他们老师的研究)死后,美国科学就要完蛋了。

最深地下实验室在四川投入使用 将研究暗物质
http://news.ifeng.com/mainland/detail_2010_12/12/3466153_0.shtml

中国核聚变技术震惊全球
http://blog.chinamil.com.cn/user1/bureshiweike/archives/2008/240730.html

中国三大高能物理研究装置
http://www.kepu.net.cn/gb/technology/nuclear/meet/200207300073.html

中国科技的世界印象:“快、深、大”印记最深
http://www.wzrb.com.cn/article145513show.html

美国费米实验室粒子加速器9月将因预算关闭(图)
http://www.ce.cn/xwzx/kj/201101/17/t20110117_22146238.shtml
 
也是。但是大学不强大,大环境都不好,我想象不出来,中国的科技如何持续领先。
可以学美国的做法哈,从全世界尤其是美国大量移民科技人才。挖墙脚。:D
『从全世界尤其是美国大量移民科技人才。挖墙脚』。:cool::cool::cool:
此话很有见地。
 
是BBC忽悠.
 
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