加拿大式教育法：老师不逼学生学又不及时把学生成绩告家长。真是急杀了中国移民！

[ABC28]

I have come across this kind of attitude towards criticism quite often here in Canada. They are invariably either from Canadians who have never travelled abroad or from immigrants from third-world countries who do not know better. Very often an intolerance to criticism is a thin veil behind which you will find an overwhelming sense of inferiority.

Another interesting manifestation of this Canadian inferiority complex is the ubiquitous claim that "Canada is the best country in the world", which is trumpeted by the media and public figures alike like an article of faith. I have never seen this in any other country. Can you believe that the licence plate in BC actually bears the phrase "Best place on Earth"? If I were a resident of that province, I would be hugely embarrassed.

Back to Canadian/American education, the biggest problem is the weakness of the basic education (K-12/13). When you have almost half of all school leavers being functionally illiterate and unable to do simple mathematics like addition or multiplication, how can you compete in this globalized economy?

This is the best comment that I have seen on CFC!

Taking the case of "jamie hubley commits suicide" as example:

I wrote e-mail to the Mayor & two city councilors, including the father of jamie hubley. In that E-mail, I wrote:

"Anti-bullying movement should be led by the mayor & we should also pay attention to the work place bullying. A business owner in Kanata is bullying his employees every day so that we need to open an anti-bullying hotline."

No one send e-mail back to me.

 

[葬花人]

北电已经关门了。等RIM也关了门再担心就晚了！

醒醒吧，村长！

难道中国人只能在高科技公司工作? 你也醒醒吧～

 

[ABC28]

难道中国人只能在高科技公司工作? 你也醒醒吧～

如果加国的高科技产值在国民经济中的比重再下跌，只怕不久会跌成第三世界国家！

 

[mimi_ge]

如果加国的高科技产值在国民经济中的比重再下跌，只怕不久会跌成第三世界国家！

你懂不懂经济，高科技只是经济发展的一部分，不是全部。这个世界不是为IT男设计的，即使美国这个高科技大国也不是。知不知道全面发展。IT只是一部分。我们中国人，也不是全都在IT业工作。人家不也活得好好的。

“金砖四国”的发展模式看见了吗，高科技是主力军吗？全世界大力发展高科技将是一场灾难，对就业，人口问题只能雪上加霜。知道不，只能有限发展，不能全力发展。这个论点不展开，懂的自然懂。

rimm的确碰到不少问题，但你说的根本不是解决之道。别弄得跟专家似的。
场子搬回天朝就能解决，笑话。中关村和华强北的高仿机都快倒闭了，即使HTC也不行了。smartphone卖不动，根本不是成本的问题，是东西不行，是消费者不认可。再便宜也没人要。rimm需要的是iphone killer，需要一个好的操作系统，能够赢回消费者，你认为中国有这样的人才吗？中国只有照抄外国设计的人才，也就是你说的读死书的人才，全球A货大国吗。看看人家“华为”，在ottawa大举招贤，人家找的可不是啥销售，都是技术人才。

加拿大是接纳我们移民的国家，我们是客人，说到底也就交了几年税而已。人家有人家的一套路数，要尊重，要包容，更要理解。实在想不明白，就走开。因为我们是新来的客人，要真正的成为主人，需要很长时间的积累。

加拿大要沦为第三世界国家是很可笑的言论，只能证明你的浅薄，只能证明你没有经济学常识。但你说加拿大的rimm不行，那我信一半。

 

[mimi_ge]

I have come across this kind of attitude towards criticism quite often here in Canada. They are invariably either from Canadians who have never travelled abroad or from immigrants from third-world countries who do not know better. Very often an intolerance to criticism is a thin veil behind which you will find an overwhelming sense of inferiority.

Another interesting manifestation of this Canadian inferiority complex is the ubiquitous claim that "Canada is the best country in the world", which is trumpeted by the media and public figures alike like an article of faith. I have never seen this in any other country. Can you believe that the licence plate in BC actually bears the phrase "Best place on Earth"? If I were a resident of that province, I would be hugely embarrassed.

Back to Canadian/American education, the biggest problem is the weakness of the basic education (K-12/13). When you have almost half of all school leavers being functionally illiterate and unable to do simple mathematics like addition or multiplication, how can you compete in this globalized economy?

1.我去过很多国家，发达的，不发达的，欧洲，美洲，大洋洲，亚洲，但我的祖国是天朝，第三世界国家。

2.BC不好吗，“best place on earth”有错吗？我就是这样认为的。相信很多人也是这么认为的。否则为何全球华人都喜欢买房再那里。rocky
moutain是我唯一去过之后，还想去第二遍的地方。

3.身边朋友的孩子没有发现此类问题，都很聪明好学，前途一片光明。建议找教育部直接沟通。

 

[uglyducking]

请清华77级的哥们介绍清华当时的学风吧！我认识两个北大的女生【１】（1977年我省高考状元和第五名）。她们也告我：“北大更是人人都是卷不离手”！

注一：我们都是高中同届不同校的同年级出席省三好学生

我这样说你可能好理解些，好学生不是靠题海战术战出来的，但不排除好学生用题海战术来提高自己需要的某方面的技能。还有，大家可能对好学生的标准也有不同理解。社会也需要各种各样的好学生。
我倒觉得学校能教育出健全人格的学生才是硬道理，这样对学生自己，对社会都是正面贡献。这方面无论是中国教育还是北美教育，都存在缺陷。但高压教育，更易产生偏执人格。
怎么样教育出真正的三好学生还是要教育界去追求的啊。

 

[ABC28]

你懂不懂经济，高科技只是经济发展的一部分，不是全部。这个世界不是为IT男设计的，即使美国这个高科技大国也不是。知不知道全面发展。IT只是一部分。我们中国人，也不是全都在IT业工作。人家不也活得好好的。

“金砖四国”的发展模式看见了吗，高科技是主力军吗？全世界大力发展高科技将是一场灾难，对就业，人口问题只能雪上加霜。知道不，只能有限发展，不能全力发展。这个论点不展开，懂的自然懂。

rimm的确碰到不少问题，但你说的根本不是解决之道。别弄得跟专家似的。
场子搬回天朝就能解决，笑话。中关村和华强北的高仿机都快倒闭了，即使HTC也不行了。smartphone卖不动，根本不是成本的问题，是东西不行，是消费者不认可。再便宜也没人要。rimm需要的是iphone killer，需要一个好的操作系统，能够赢回消费者，你认为中国有这样的人才吗？中国只有照抄外国设计的人才，也就是你说的读死书的人才，全球A货大国吗。看看人家“华为”，在ottawa大举招贤，人家找的可不是啥销售，都是技术人才。

加拿大是接纳我们移民的国家，我们是客人，说到底也就交了几年税而已。人家有人家的一套路数，要尊重，要包容，更要理解。实在想不明白，就走开。因为我们是新来的客人，要真正的成为主人，需要很长时间的积累。

加拿大要沦为第三世界国家是很可笑的言论，只能证明你的浅薄，只能证明你没有经济学常识。但你说加拿大的rimm不行，那我信一半。

:flaming:
你的话看似有理，但实为“井底蛙见”！其实你讲的东西是建立在一个假设上：美国，欧共体和其他G7的现政策不变！

请换一个角度以马克思的资本论为照妖镜照照你的论点和论据。只怕可笑的是你自己呢！

 

[uglyducking]

实为管见

你们家卖管子的啊？没一会儿卖了好几个啦。

 

[ccc]

外面在下雪。这是什么现象？

 

[uglyducking]

正常心理现象.

 

[lujiabai86]

A student of Socrates asked:" Why are you still unhappy even though you have acquired so much knowledge?"

Socrates drew a big circle and a small one and then answered:" The knowledge I have acquired is like the big circle, and yours is like the small one. The more knowledge one has acquired, the more things he knows he is still ignorant about. "

BC是不是地球上最好的地方并不重要，但敢于这样说的人，一定只能看到自己周围很小范围的人。

加拿大经济越来越明显地在走卖资源的路, 用老话来说，这叫“粗放型经济”。

看看别的领域吧。

高科技原有的阵地几乎已经全都丢了，金融业从来就没成为哪怕是区域性的焦点，创意行业走的显然是拿来主义路线，制造业......不提也罢。

如果为这些产业提供后备人才的基础教育体制不是出了根本性问题，那么就一定是我们的眼睛出了问题。

两者必居其一，没有别的可能。

靠资源吃饭没什么不好，但这种发展路线所需要的人才和走高科技路线、金融路线、创意产业路线、制造业路线所需要的人才是有根本不同的。

至少我所认识的多数中国家长对孩子未来的期望是不适合这种依赖卖资源的路线的。

一个似乎可以预期的事情将是：未来20年里会有越来越多的中国移民孩子去美国读大学，因为看起来美国的发展路线所需要的人才类型将更接近于多数中国移民家长对孩子的高期望。

别跟我谈个案，我在说趋势。

各位要反驳我，也请各位展望一下未来加拿大教育的整体趋势以及中国移民孩子追求高质量高等教育的趋势会怎样走。

关于低质量教育甚至劣质教育的种种就不必再谈了，谁移民也不是为了让孩子受更差的教育。

每个家长对自己孩子的期望是不一样的，其实我们都是在自说自话，所以这个讨论并不会有“结果”。

但毕竟，我们的讨论过程为论坛带来了更多的生机，而且在一个很特殊的日子。

当然，某些朋友将会觉得不同的意见将会让论坛变得很“难管”。

如果你们这样感觉，那并不是因为论坛过去就很“纯净”，不同意见从来都存在，只是很多并不认同你们看法的朋友们过去根本就没参与你们的讨论而已。

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

Hope this quote makes as much sense to you guys as it does to us.

 

[socialanimal]

I have come across this kind of attitude towards criticism quite often here in Canada. They are invariably either from Canadians who have never travelled abroad or from immigrants from third-world countries who do not know better. Very often an intolerance to criticism is a thin veil behind which you will find an overwhelming sense of inferiority.

Another interesting manifestation of this Canadian inferiority complex is the ubiquitous claim that "Canada is the best country in the world", which is trumpeted by the media and public figures alike like an article of faith. I have never seen this in any other country. Can you believe that the licence plate in BC actually bears the phrase "Best place on Earth"? If I were a resident of that province, I would be hugely embarrassed.

I once analyzed a recent national sample public opinion survey (2010). The more educated are less proud of being Canadian, and vice versa. This result is consistent with findings in previous research: "In all countries those with less than a high-school education have the most pride and, almost always, the college educated have the least. This is consistent with the greater cosmopolitanism and international orientation that tend to develop with further education."

 

[uglyducking]

I once analyzed a recent national sample public opinion survey (2010). The more educated are less proud of being Canadian, and vice versa. This result is consistent with findings in previous research: "In all countries those with less than a high-school education have the most pride and, almost always, the college educated have the least. This is consistent with the greater cosmopolitanism and international orientation that tend to develop with further education."

美国人高等教育普及程度很高，可为何给人狂妄自大的感觉更多？

 

[ccc]

这也忒准了！我连高中都没读过。

 

[ccc]

美国人高等教育普及程度很高，可为何给人狂妄自大的感觉更多？

我没有“美国人高等教育普及程度很高”的印象。等我搜一下。

美国是牛仔文化，如果说他们还有自己的文化的话。