这汤光文是什么人? 湖南黄金大米事件调查结果公布:事前未告知家长
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老闹子，如果你多从不同的途径去了解下关于转基因食品的知识，而不是仅限于某美国生物博士的网站和博克，你就会知道，转基因食品不但包含不同品种，而且这些不同品种的安全性也根本不一致。具体而言，转基因大米和转基因玉米（也就是你声称自己天天吃的转基因食品源）的安全性根本不在一个级别上。
看看这封3年前全球22位科学家联名给美国这次做黄金大米试验的大学系科负责人写的公开信里是怎么写的。别忘了，这三年对于黄金大米的各种潜在毒性并没有得到有效证明说它们不存在。
http://big5.39kf.com/focus/spaq/genetically-modified-food/2012-09-16-835739.shtml
Scientists Protest Unethical Clinical Trials of GM Golden Rice
Professor Robert Russell,
Professor Emeritus, Friedman School of Nutrition Science and Policy
Tufts University School of Medicine
711 Washington Street Boston, MA 02111-1524
Email: rob.russell@tufts.edu
Dear Professor Russell,
TUFTS UNIVERSITY INVOLVEMENT IN GOLDEN RICE FEEDING TRIALS
We are writing to express our shock and unequivocal denunciation of the experiments being conducted by your colleagues which involve the feeding of genetically modified Golden Rice to human subjects (adults and children.) We are all senior scientists / academics with a professional interest in the health and environmental effects of GMOs. We refer to three trials described on the US Clinical Trials web site:
1. Project NCT 00680355.(10) Bioavailability of Golden Rice Carotenoids in Humans.
2. Project NCT 00082420. Retinol Equivalence of Plant Carotenoids in Children.
3. Project NCT 00680212. Vitamin A Equivalence of Plant Carotenoids in Children.
We wish to remind you that the variety of Golden Rice used in these experiments (GR2) is inadequately described in terms of biological and biochemical characterisation on the Clinical Trials web site and indeed anywhere else in the publicly available literature, and has woefully inadequate pre-clinical evaluation. It is a genetically modified product which has not been shown to be distinctive, uniform and stable over time. It has never been through a regulatory /approvals process anywhere in the world. There is now a large body of evidence that shows that GM crop/food production is highly prone to inadvertent and unpredictable pleiotropic effects, which can result in health damaging effects when GM food products are fed to animals (for reviews see Pusztai and Bardocz , 2006; Schubert, 2008; Dona and Arvanitoyannis, 2009). More specifically, our greatest concern is that this rice, which is engineered to overproduce beta carotene, has never been tested in animals, and there is an extensive medical literature showing that retinoids that can be derived from beta carotene are both toxic and cause birth defects.
In these circumstances the use of human subjects (including children who are already suffering illness as a result of Vitamin A deficiency) for GM feeding experiments is completely unacceptable. The three Projects listed breach the Nuremberg Code / medical ethics code on a number of counts, and we urge you to call them to a halt immediately. They should not be resumed unless and until the researchers can demonstrate that a full range of laboratory and animal feeding trials have been completed and published for the Golden Rice strain being used, and unless and until appropriate regulatory bodies have had an opportunity to come to a view on the health and safety issues about which we are very concerned.
We can assure you that such trials would not have been approved within the European Union in the absence of safety information, which highlights yet again the flaw of the USDA and FDA regulatory system in considering GM crops/foods as hypothetically “generally recognised as safe – GRAS” in the absence of hard experimental data.
看看这封3年前全球22位科学家联名给美国这次做黄金大米试验的大学系科负责人写的公开信里是怎么写的。别忘了，这三年对于黄金大米的各种潜在毒性并没有得到有效证明说它们不存在。
http://big5.39kf.com/focus/spaq/genetically-modified-food/2012-09-16-835739.shtml
Scientists Protest Unethical Clinical Trials of GM Golden Rice
Professor Robert Russell,
Professor Emeritus, Friedman School of Nutrition Science and Policy
Tufts University School of Medicine
711 Washington Street Boston, MA 02111-1524
Email: rob.russell@tufts.edu
Dear Professor Russell,
TUFTS UNIVERSITY INVOLVEMENT IN GOLDEN RICE FEEDING TRIALS
We are writing to express our shock and unequivocal denunciation of the experiments being conducted by your colleagues which involve the feeding of genetically modified Golden Rice to human subjects (adults and children.) We are all senior scientists / academics with a professional interest in the health and environmental effects of GMOs. We refer to three trials described on the US Clinical Trials web site:
1. Project NCT 00680355.(10) Bioavailability of Golden Rice Carotenoids in Humans.
2. Project NCT 00082420. Retinol Equivalence of Plant Carotenoids in Children.
3. Project NCT 00680212. Vitamin A Equivalence of Plant Carotenoids in Children.
We wish to remind you that the variety of Golden Rice used in these experiments (GR2) is inadequately described in terms of biological and biochemical characterisation on the Clinical Trials web site and indeed anywhere else in the publicly available literature, and has woefully inadequate pre-clinical evaluation. It is a genetically modified product which has not been shown to be distinctive, uniform and stable over time. It has never been through a regulatory /approvals process anywhere in the world. There is now a large body of evidence that shows that GM crop/food production is highly prone to inadvertent and unpredictable pleiotropic effects, which can result in health damaging effects when GM food products are fed to animals (for reviews see Pusztai and Bardocz , 2006; Schubert, 2008; Dona and Arvanitoyannis, 2009). More specifically, our greatest concern is that this rice, which is engineered to overproduce beta carotene, has never been tested in animals, and there is an extensive medical literature showing that retinoids that can be derived from beta carotene are both toxic and cause birth defects.
In these circumstances the use of human subjects (including children who are already suffering illness as a result of Vitamin A deficiency) for GM feeding experiments is completely unacceptable. The three Projects listed breach the Nuremberg Code / medical ethics code on a number of counts, and we urge you to call them to a halt immediately. They should not be resumed unless and until the researchers can demonstrate that a full range of laboratory and animal feeding trials have been completed and published for the Golden Rice strain being used, and unless and until appropriate regulatory bodies have had an opportunity to come to a view on the health and safety issues about which we are very concerned.
We can assure you that such trials would not have been approved within the European Union in the absence of safety information, which highlights yet again the flaw of the USDA and FDA regulatory system in considering GM crops/foods as hypothetically “generally recognised as safe – GRAS” in the absence of hard experimental data.
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据一位美国生物学家说，很可能是因为这种试验无法在美国获得批准进行，所以拿中国的孩子来做。不过如果按照老闹子前面的说法，这就更奇特了，美国人天天吃转基因食品，怎么还会不批准做这个试验呢？
http://blog.qq.com/qzone/622008946/1347365906.htm
美国细胞神经生物学家痛斥黄金大米试验
伪生物遗传学方舟子被真生物遗传学师父打脸
美国加州索尔克生物研究院的细胞神经生物学实验室主任大卫.舒伯特博士就湖南转基因大米的中国儿童实验发表批评性谈话。请注意，这个研究所也是方舟子经常自称生物遗传学家的依据，因为他的第二个，也是彻底失业前的最后一个博士后（又称生物界待业青年）做过“分子遗传学”研究，以及他履历中自称创建打假网站“新语丝”的地方，就是这个研究所。不知方舟子能否因此而网查舒伯特博士以往有学术不端，履历造假行为，以致一切网敌于死地？？
与中国国内的院士，专家，以及伪生物遗传学家方舟子对黄金大米的认为“安全”，“合理”，“为人类做贡献”不同，舒伯特博士认为：“这个试验之所以在中国儿童中进行，‘最大的可能是它想逃过进行这些临床试验在美国所必需的审批程序’”。（“the test was done among Chinese children "most likely because they could not pass the review process required for doing this type of clinical trial in the US".）
舒伯特博士是全球22个发表公开信质疑塔夫茨大学2009年黄金大米试验的科学家之一。他认为这种试验必须在“对这种转基因大米的安全性进行了深入广泛的安全性检验之后才能进行”。（“this kind of experiment "should not have been done unless there was extensive safety testing of the rice".）
舒伯特博士说，用黄金大米做儿童试验很明显有“潜在的危害”。“因为至今还没有黄金大米在动物和人类的安全性试验报告，我认为把这种大米拿来做儿童试验是极端愚蠢的行为。”“儿童的大脑还在发育，人们都知道黄金大米有关的分子对发育是害的。”（"Since there has been no animal or human safety testing of the golden rice, I believe that it was exceptionally foolish to feed this golden rice to children."。“heir brains are still developing and it is well known that molecules related to those made by golden rice can be harmful," ）
舒伯特博士说, “ 进行此类试验之前，一定先要有好的安全试验报告发表才能实施。就我所知，目前并无此类报告。” （“some good safety testing before doing the experiment, but as far as I know, there was not," ）（注意，李院士说“黄金大米在动物和人类的安全性试验都无问题”。中国 院士可以凭空说话？）
对黄金大米试验的公开信同时也关切到此试验违反二战结束时签订的纽伦堡公约。此公约依二战罪行规定了一系列涉及人类试验的伦理学法规。此公约规定，10岁以下儿童法律上不具备签署参与试验的知情同意书的能力。（有点上纲了哈。）
纽约大学的营养，食品和公共卫生教授玛丽昂。勒斯利教授认为，用黄金大米来提供类胡罗卜素是“没有必要的”。“水果，蔬菜中含有大量的类胡罗卜素，完全没有必要再去用转基因大米来提供。”
看来黄金大米会引出更大的风波，不是转基因好坏的问题，一系列的利益，学术，法规，罪恶，会如薄谷开来事件一样，不可收拾
美国科学家一语破天机：这种实验不太可能在美国做，所以拿中国儿童当豚鼠。他特别强调了potential health risks involved in GM rice（转基因大米的健康风险）而不是像中国专家或拍胸脯担保儿童吃了没事，或只停留在于法规考证上。而其实最关键的～就是转基因大米的安全性问题
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很好，你终于肯面对一部分事实了。
你摘录的第一句：“退一万步就算黄金大米真的没什么危害吧，因为觉得受试者及其父母文化水平低理解不了就要采用签协定只给看最后一页的方式来达到给人吃的目的吗？” 这的确是针对你所举的板蓝根例子来说的，不过我很不解你举这个例子是想说明什么？说明我攻击你吗？就算是针对你举的例子，我这里的指责（如果算的话）仍然针对的是汤广文的行为，你没有理由要take it personal吧？除非你是她或者她是你家人。
第二句：“再问一遍，老闹子，你天天吃的转基因食品，是还在试验阶段的黄金大米吗？
就算你自己愿意也愿意让你的孩子当小白鼠吃黄金大米，不等于别人也愿意，更不能成为用欺骗手段骗别人的孩子吃黄金大米的理由。”
没错，这里的第一句是具体针对你了，你都CFC们说了几遍了，我就不能就CFC们中的具体人来问一问吗？别的CFC没发出你这种感叹，为了避免一竿子打翻一船人，我只能问你，而且我觉得这个问题，没有什么过火的，至少比起你一再使用的那些“智力”“动机”等字眼要平和得多。
后一句，也是泛指。还是针对汤广文的行为。
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