Non-resident在加拿大安省买房出租

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最近家里人考虑在我家附近买房出租,想问问有经验人士,Non-resident在加拿大安省买房出租是否合适?不要求赚,只要不赔钱就好。

我已经问过银行,首付35%,每月租金超过每月还贷,贷款没什么问题。

我也去CRA网站做了一些功课,non-resident每个月要付25% on the gross rental income paid给CRA.但像property tax, insurance, legal fees, Repairs, management fees等都可以抵税。卖房时候要交capital gain tax.

我自己下面做了个例子,请各位大侠看看我理解的对不?

如果买一个300k的房子,付掉35%首付,每个月房贷1000.一年还款12000。

房子出租每个月1500,那每个月交给CRA就是1500*25%=375。总共交375*12=4500。剩余每个月1125,当然这是中间不断租客的保守估计。

那这4500如何可以deduct回来呢?

我的理解是gross rental income(1500*12=18000) - Property tax(一年3000) - other expenses( Insurance, repairs, etc 2000) - management fee(500*12=6000 我妈顾我做property manager每个月给500,我回头再把这500用于还房贷,当然我自己要付income tax) = 7000(net income)

7000*25%=1750.年底报税后,CRA会退2750(4500-1750)。

7000(net income)+6000(salary)+2750(deduction)-12000(mortgage)=3750 最乐观估计,最后每年可以有3750的收益?

请各位大侠帮我看看我算的对不?

还有capital gain tax大概会交多少啊?

谢谢各位!
 
最近家里人考虑在我家附近买房出租,想问问有经验人士,Non-resident在加拿大安省买房出租是否合适?不要求赚,只要不赔钱就好。
贷款的利息没算在里面,这是个不小的数。
我已经问过银行,首付35%,每月租金超过每月还贷,贷款没什么问题。

我也去CRA网站做了一些功课,non-resident每个月要付25% on the gross rental income paid给CRA.但像property tax, insurance, legal fees, Repairs, management fees等都可以抵税。卖房时候要交capital gain tax.

我自己下面做了个例子,请各位大侠看看我理解的对不?

如果买一个300k的房子,付掉35%首付,每个月房贷1000.一年还款12000。

房子出租每个月1500,那每个月交给CRA就是1500*25%=375。总共交375*12=4500。剩余每个月1125,当然这是中间不断租客的保守估计。

那这4500如何可以deduct回来呢?

我的理解是gross rental income(1500*12=18000) - Property tax(一年3000) - other expenses( Insurance, repairs, etc 2000) - management fee(500*12=6000 我妈顾我做property manager每个月给500,我回头再把这500用于还房贷,当然我自己要付income tax) = 7000(net income)

7000*25%=1750.年底报税后,CRA会退2750(4500-1750)。

7000(net income)+6000(salary)+2750(deduction)-12000(mortgage)=3750 最乐观估计,最后每年可以有3750的收益?

请各位大侠帮我看看我算的对不?

还有capital gain tax大概会交多少啊?

谢谢各位!
 
2个问题,一,你妈那6000的management fee expense 是否reasonable? 二,你那6000的management fee income( not salary, if salary you will need to do payroll remittance) 需要根据你的个人税率交税。如果试self employment income, 你还需要交CPP.
 
2个问题,一,你妈那6000的management fee expense 是否reasonable? 二,你那6000的management fee income( not salary, if salary you will need to do payroll remittance) 需要根据你的个人税率交税。如果试self employment income, 你还需要交CPP.
1. 我妈雇佣我做property manager,在她不在加拿大时,我帮她管理租房等事务,相当于她雇用rental company.她要有payroll account,付我的salary,年底给我提供T4.
2. 6000算我的salary,不算self employment income.另外您说的那个payroll remittance,是remit payroll deduction吧?那是应该我妈做为employer交吧?我正在研究那块,看是否需要注册business account.
 
在你买房之前, 还是再做一些调查。
(1)INSURANCE. 大多数保险公司都只保两个以下的房客的。如果三,四个租客而且不是一家的,你只有找商业保险,保费是2000左右(single house)
(2)ZONING. 你所买的房区,是否只能是single family zoning 还是可以分租(rooming)的。要和CITY的BY-LAW ZONING office 和 Condo office核对一下。据我所知大多数地方都是single family zoning。比如,SOUTHKEYS walmart 对面的那片,目前有很多房主在贱卖房,就是这个原因。
 
在加拿大当房东,要有坚强的神经,看看这个。

A Beginner's Guide to the Challenges for Ontario Landlords

1) It does not make financial sense to provide decent quality lower cost rental housing in Ontario:

Other, more passive investments offer a much better return without the labor, risk and aggravation. For example, five years ago, I bought a tired, run-down, 8plex and turned it around. It now provides clean comfortable homes to 8 families at affordable rents. But it is a very poor investment. The building is worth about $750K. I have a $300K mortgage on it, with $450K in equity. My annual return on the building for a year's hard labor (doing unpleasant jobs that most would refuse to do) is a mortgage principle reduction of $17K. This is about a 4% return. The dividends alone on my blue chip Canadian stocks give me a much higher return, (and at a more favorable income tax rate).

2) The Residential Tenancies Act does not adequately protect Landlords and their properties. The act causes an increase in costs to responsible tenants, and causes landlords to leave the lower-rental housing market. This is common knowledge and horror stories abound.

Example 1: A tenant can allow anyone to move into the apartment permanently. The new occupant does not even have to give his/her name to the landlord. If the original tenant moves out, the new occupant must be formally evicted and all the procedures and regulations of the Residential Tenancies Act must be followed. The landlord can not even serve eviction papers because he/she doesn't even know the tenant's name to write on the eviction notice. Even if an occupant has no proof that he/she is a bonafide tenant, police will not get involved.

Example 2: Tenants do not pay a damage deposit. There is no incentive for them to look after their apartments during their stay or when they leave. In theory, if a tenant damages the property and the landlord discovers the damage when (or just after) the tenant vacates, the landlord can take a tenant to Small Claims Court. However, the tenants don't have to give a forwarding address, so the landlord can not serve the court's papers. As a result, either the new tenants pay for the damage through increased rents, or more likely, the landlord has to absorb the costs. This discourages landlords from renting to lower-income groups.

Example 3: Tenants do not pay a pet deposit. Tenants are allowed to have as many pets as municipal regulations allow. This may be 3 dogs in a bachelor apartment. Again, the landlord can not recoup any damage costs, and the tenant has no incentive to look after the property. A "pet deposit' is required in many areas outside of Ontario.

Example 4: Tenants are not required to carry tenants' insurance. This is true even if the lease requires the tenant have valid insurance. The Residential Tenancies Act does not require it, so it is not a legal requirement. However, when a tenant causes property damage (particularly in a multi-residential situation), the landlord's insurance cost increases.

Example 5: Lost income. Under the RTA, tenants are required to give 60 days' notice when on a month-to-month or yearly lease. The reality is that few tenants do give this notice. The position of the Landlord Tenant Board is that once a tenant leaves a rental property, he/she no longer falls under the RTA, so the Landlord Tenant Board will not enforce this notice requirement. Again, the landlord can not take the tenant to court for lost rent (due to the improper notice) because the landlord can not find the tenant to serve court papers.

Example 6: RTA usually favors tenants. For example: whereas the RTA refuses to assist landlords who are victims of tenants leaving with improper notice, the RTA allows for (and provides procedures for) tenants who have vacated a rental property to serve a landlord notice and demand a rent rebate for a poorly-maintained property, up to a full year after the tenant has vacated. The perception is that landlords are wealthy, greedy and dishonest. I am a landlord, a firefighter; these combined, I work 60 hours a week. I want to be financially responsible, provide a useful service and to be proud of my properties.

Example 7: No control over open windows. Most low-income tenants live in apartment buildings that provide heat at the landlord's expense. Under the RTA, tenants can leave their windows open as much as they like. The landlord has no legal recourse.

Tenants are not legally required to remove their window air conditioners in the winter. A great deal of heat is lost through these air conditioners. This is an added business expense that the landlord can not control but must pay for--a further deterrent to providing low-income housing.

Example 8: Guaranteed Tribunal Hearings (living rent-free). Under the newly-revamped RTA, tenants are guaranteed a hearing at the Tribunal. This is true even if the tenant has just blatantly refused to pay the rent. Under the new rules, if a tenant contacts the Tribunal and says he/she can not appear on the scheduled hearing date, the hearing is rescheduled for a later date. This can happen numerous times. Meanwhile, the tenant continues to live rent-free in the property while the landlord must still make all his/her required mortgage, property tax, utility and insurance payments.

Example 9: "Trial by Ambush". Under the new RTA, at a hearing, the tenant can bring up ANY maintenance deficiency claim. The claim does not have to be valid and the tenant does not have to inform the landlord of their intention the "deficiency" prior to the hearing. (Unlike the landlord who must properly deliver all notices of intention to the tenant prior to the hearing).

When the tenant makes a maintenance claim, the landlord can attempt to defend him/herself at the hearing. If he/she is unable to satisfy the adjudicator of the falseness of the claim, the adjudicator can actually make a monetary ruling in favor of the tenant at that hearing. This can and does happen when landlords are trying to evict for non-payment of rent. If the landlord instead chooses to ask for a new hearing date, so that he/she may properly prepare an argument against the accusations, the tenant continues to live rent-free in the property.

Example 10: Water costs. Although I have installed low-flow aerators on the tenants' shower heads and taps, the tenants remove them and install non-water-saving heads. How can the landlord be responsible for paying the water bills and yet have no say or control over water conservation? The RTA does not address this issue, although conservation is strongly encouraged our governments.

Various levels of government also provide disincentive to being a responsible Landlord in Ontario.

Example 1. Exorbitant tax rates. The city of Toronto charges almost 3 times the property tax rate for "multi-residential" rental properties as it does for single-family homes. Most of the lower-income housing is in multi-residential buildings. The City classifies apartment buildings with more than 6 units as multi-residential. My 8-plex in Toronto is worth about $700K, but I pay almost $14,000.00 annually in property tax. This means that the entire annual rents from one and a half of the 8 units goes just to pay the property tax. In addition, I still have to pay the mortgage, hydro, water, gas, maintenance, insurance, repairs, business income taxes, allow for lost income from vacancies and non payment of rent, inspection fees, bank fees, mileage costs, office supplies, advertising, credit checks, court costs, and management fees etc. Ther is not enough profit to entice responsible Landlords.

Example 2. Provincial Assessment Rates. The valuation of a multi-residential building is based on its net income. This means that as one improves the efficiencies of a building (lower utility costs), the property tax rate goes up! When I paint, repair, upgrade or take any pride in my property, according to the assessment procedures of the Municipal Property Assessment Board, the value of the building increases and therefore I pay more property tax. This is a punishment to all responsible landlords who look after their properties and it rewards owners who neglect their properties.

Example 3. Income Tax Rate. The CCRA charges owners of rental properties a "Passive" income tax rate of almost 50%! Compare this to the small business rate of about 20% (and that is falling). It's no wonder that landlords of multi-residential properties are fed up and disheartened. Again, the result is that few, new landlords are willing to work with lower-cost housing, and few builders are willing to build this type of housing.

Example 4. Smart meters add cost. The Provincial Government has made Smart Meters mandatory. These meters actually increase a landlord's hydro costs. In multi-residential buildings, the Landlord typically provides: laundry facilities; lighting in the common areas; and heat throughout the building, via a central boiler system.

As the landlord has NO control over when these electrical demands are satisfied, he/she can not take advantage of using hydro in "off hours"; the building must be heated when it is cold; the lights must be on when the hallways are dark; and tenants do their laundry when it is convenient for them, not necessarily during "off hours" for hydro use. As a result, "peak hour" hydro cost increases are charged to the landlord, who can't control the tenants' use, AND the Landlord has to pay for the smart meter.

Example 5. Unrealistic "allowable rent increases': The yearly allowable rent increase doesn't reflect the rising cost of operating a multi-residential apartment building. Every year, the property tax on the 8 plex increases almost 7%, (despite Mayor Miller's claims of 3%). The cost of natural gas from Nov 2007 to Nov 2008 has risen over 30%. The City of Toronto's water rate is going up 10% every year for the foreseeable future. My building insurance increased by over 6% in 12 months (without having placed any claims). Toronto charges $ for the new garbage and recycling bins, and threatens to bill landlords for tenants' misuse of the bins. It also is introducing a new garbage pickup fee. Although Toronto's public housing has been shown to be in much worse condition than most privately-owned multi-residential low-cost housing, Toronto is also considering an annual Landlord Licensing fee. The allowable rent increase for 2008 was 1.4% and 1.8% for 2009.

Example 6. Illegal Parking. The City of Toronto has taken away the ability for Landlords to effective keep unauthorized vehicles from parking on their properties. Under the new City rules, only the police can tag and tow illegally-parked vehicles. This is a serious issue ensure that his/her tenants can park their cars. I have had this problem many times. The police can not ticket the vehicle in a timely manner, and have even told me that if I call more than a couple of times, they will certainly take a very long time to respond.

Example 7. Landlords have no effective tools to deal with trespassers. This has been a big issue at my property. My tenants have been intimidated and their safety was compromised. The police can not attend in an effective time, and have expressed little interest in/ability to do so. Effective laws are needed because the tenants justifiably have a right to their parking spots, but the landlord can not so Landlords can protect thier property and their tenants' property and increase safety and security levels.
 
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加拿大這人權國家,都保障所謂的"弱勢社群",保障房客多於房東我也有過類似的慘痛經,那時候第一次做房東,我就遇過一家三口死不要的白人租客。開始的時候說的自己很愛家很愛乾淨,什都會做 (種花、剪草、剷雪…etc),說當時房東鄰居都捨不得他們搬走,可房東要修建舊房,迫不得已要他們搬。
我們做credit check,打電話到當時的房東那兒,他說他們太好了(其實是巴不得他們搬走),我們就相信了。結果他們住了4年,房租退票27次,每次要我們親自去收房租,每次都說是銀行錯,皮厚的不行! 我是看有小孩,不忍心他們走。一次房頂漏水,我帶contractor去修,一進門,我差點沒嚇昏,亂得看不見一寸的地板,還養了兩條大狗,兩隻貓,我的hardwood地板都完全了。從房子走出來,驚魂未定,附近的鄰居知道的房東來了,全部都一湧而上,這個投訴他們得可怕,後園狗大便從來不撿,那個說他們前園的草高到胸口卻還敢出來潑婦罵街,我嚇都嚇壞了!
回到家我老公堅持要給他們Eviction Notice他們走。本來他們還不肯搬,後來我把他們27次的退票記錄、修房的單子和鄰居的投訴信都給看,我說,要是上了法庭,說法官會相信誰? 結果他們還欠了租留了一地的圾,破壞了冰箱爐具搬走了。這本來是很好的房子,變得慘不忍睹,東西都給弄壞了,我們花了一個月去全部翻修、換電器爐具,才又租出去了。
根據 Ontario Landlord Tenant Act, 房東只有幾個理由可以走房客,可都要預先給房客不同的通知:
1. 欠租- 房東要先給房客一個N4,要是N4上寫的天數以內付了房租,就當N4無效
2. 常常遲交房租-房東要先給房客一個N8
3. 房客在物業裡從事非法活動,如種大麻-房東要先給房客一個N6
4. 房客破壞物業或影響其他-房東要先給房客一個N5 N7
5. 房東要翻修房子--房東要先給房客一個N13
6. 房東要收回自住或是直系親屬要住-房東要先給房客一個N12
可以直接打到Landlord and Tenant Board去問Help for Landlords http://www.ltb.gov.on.ca/en/STEL02_111286.html

所以篩選房客的很重要,一定要他先申請表了解基本資料、要credit check、要工作證明、要簽合同、收first & last months 的租金才能交鑰匙。
從來就沒想過世界上會有這種人,到爛房客倒霉! 希望樓主可以儘快走他! 好好睡一覺!
 

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在你买房之前, 还是再做一些调查。
(1)INSURANCE. 大多数保险公司都只保两个以下的房客的。如果三,四个租客而且不是一家的,你只有找商业保险,保费是2000左右(single house)
(2)ZONING. 你所买的房区,是否只能是single family zoning 还是可以分租(rooming)的。要和CITY的BY-LAW ZONING office 和 Condo office核对一下。据我所知大多数地方都是single family zoning。比如,SOUTHKEYS walmart 对面的那片,目前有很多房主在贱卖房,就是这个原因。
谢谢提醒。不过我不准备分租,只准备租给一家那种。
 
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