政府工Supplementary Death Benefit

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言重了, 媒体和募捐是我们做的, 目的是为了减轻家属的痛苦。请不要怪罪家属, 让他们受二次伤害。

如果您捐过款, 请电话我613-225-4526,我会安排退还。

如果您还没捐,请保留不捐的权利。
既然这事已经升级为公共事件,就要准备好面对公众。除了捐与不捐的权利,还有评论,质疑的权利。这里面一定包括正面与负面的评论,和你所说的二次伤害。所以大多数家庭更愿意选择低调在朋友家庭的范围私下处理。
我在以前的帖子里也提醒过你。你说家属同意。我想你一定已经把这些正负利弊跟她分析清楚,她也做好准备来面对这些了吧。
 
看本贴讨论为我的未来担忧啊, 既没有政府的好福利, 也没有私企的福利和保险,以后有啥突发事件可咋办?
自己买life insurance。找轮蹲理财。
 
捐款不是好拿的,哎。。。
 
Survivor Benefit
The following information is intended to provide you, the Employer, with information regarding Survivor Benefits when the death of an active plan member occurs.
Reference to Compensation Advisor in the following text is the equivalent of an Employer representative.
You may want to know...
Introduction
The Government of Canada Pension Centre (Pension Centre) is now responsible for providing pension benefit counseling and information to the survivor, beneficiary or estate representative of a deceased public service pension plan member. This includes any lump sum or ongoing pension benefit and the one-time Supplementary Death Benefit (SDB) payment (if eligible).
When the employing department is advised of the death in service of a plan member, the Compensation Advisor refers the survivor or representative to "Your Public Service Pension and Benefits" Web portal for general information on survivor benefits and advises him to contact the Pension Centre. Please provide a copy of the "Contact Us - Your Public Service Pension and Benefits" information sheet to survivors or representatives without access to the Web.
The Compensation Advisors are responsible for ensuring that the Pension Centre is aware of the plan member's date of death and to input the Struck-Off-Strength (SOS) transaction. Compensation Advisors will also have to complete and forward to the Pension Centre the Termination/Retirement Information form PWGSC-TPSGC 2386 and the Notification of Death in Service form PWGSC-TPSGC 2014 as soon as they are notified that the member has passed away.
Survivor Benefit Entitlements
A Death in Service (DIS) occurs when the plan member dies while still employed in the public service. A survivor benefit may be payable to the eligible survivor and/or children.
A survivor refers to the person who, at the time of the plan member's death, was legally married to the plan member or was cohabitating with the plan member in a relationship of a conjugal nature (includes common-law and same sex partners) for at least one year prior to the date of death. A divorced spouse is not entitled to a survivor's pension, but a separated spouse usually retains entitlement to a survivor's pension.
A child can be a plan member's natural child, stepchild, or adopted child, who at the time of the plan member's death was dependent on him for support. To be eligible for a child's allowance, a child must be:
  • less than 18 years of age, or
  • between 18 and 25 years of age and attending school or university full time, substantially without interruption, since reaching age 18 or since the plan member died, whichever occurred later.
When a plan member, who has less than two years of pensionable service, dies while employed in the public service, the survivor and/or children are entitled jointly to a Return of Contributions (ROC) plus interest.
When a plan member, who has two years or more of pensionable service, dies while employed in the public service, a survivor's and/or child's allowance is payable.
Survivor Benefits
The table below outlines the different survivor benefits available under various circumstances where the plan member had 2 years or more of pensionable service.
CircumstancesEntitlement
Survivor onlySurvivor's allowance
(1 % X average salary X years of pensionable service)
Survivor and childrenSurvivor's allowance
Child's allowance for each child (one-fifth of the survivor's allowance up to a maximum of four fifths.)
Children only (no survivor)Child's allowance for each child
(two-fifths of the survivor's allowance up to a maximum of eight fifths.)
No eligible survivor or childrenGreater of a ROC plus interest or amount equal to five years' basic pension (Guaranteed Five Year Minimum).
Amounts are paid either to a beneficiary named under the SDB Plan or to the estate.
 
这个是很复杂, 但是渥太华华人更尊重生命是肯定的。

不久前发生在蒙特利尔, 一个20多岁的华人在一个小卖部打工, 因为他父母跟这个店主的生意纠纷被打死, 罪犯逃走了, 后面才募捐到2000多加币。也不知道他们家是怎么安葬他的。可怜啊!

2008年多伦多东区唐人街遇飞来横祸的毛厚长:

"毛厚长于1月17日在东区华埠福耀超市门口处理水果档时,被流弹击中死亡,事后福清同乡会发动乡亲捐款,同乡会会长李贵鲜向加拿大新闻商业网透露,同乡的捐款数字高达17万元,加上东区华商会的筹款,总数超过20万元。"
 
估计家属和募捐组织者们当初没有想那么多吧。

不可否认Riven为这事付出了极大的时间和精力。但是对于不同的声音动辄就发脾气,对于玩笑话动辙就封马甲。看起来底气不是那么足呢。

我倒是建议成立一个基金,不限于这次事件。让所有发生意外和不幸的华人家庭(比如,以前打排球不幸先走的,多伦多跳楼跳桥的等等等等)也能得到大家的帮助。基金管理委员会要充分了解每个家庭情况,根据不同情况给予相当的资助。
正式排球比赛,应该有first aid的人在场边,带上AED...
 
在论坛上有不同意见,也是促进把事情做得更好的一个动力。Riven以前估计也没办过这样事,忙乱起来不会那么周到圆满,无论如何热心没错。

发起捐款为了救急,当时最要紧是把事情让最多人知道,帮助后事,谁也猜不出能捐多少,也不是职业公关。类似的例子也出过,几千几万几十万的都有,谈不上哪个数最适合。家属心乱如麻,委员会有建议之责,在此向委员会提不成熟的小建议:

家属的困难首先是后事料理,先把人运回,完成葬礼。这个不只钱的事,需要有经验的人和各方打交道,选择最尊重家属意愿的方案,从捐款额上看,无需顾忌费用高低,不必理会不同意见。

家属的第二个困难是今后的房屋贷款和生活开销。有两倍收入的保险和一份政府工,经济上虽然损失大,但还可以过,以自力更生为主。

家属以后面对的种种生活困难,邻居同事和网友都会帮助,这个是长期的,我丝毫不怀疑村民们一定会做到。

捐款料理完后事如能尚有余额,作为以后帮助困难同胞的基金,定期宣传募捐。这也是对刘越的一个纪念,叫刘越基金也可。
 
募捐后的疑问和反思

(是一群已经捐款人冷静的思考,如果有误也是召集人提供信息不尽全面造成。话肯定不好听,但大老们也不要删贴封ID啥的)

这次踊跃给古巴遇难家属募捐体现大家的爱心和凝聚力,CFC 的作用也可圈可点。可是看到这股募捐风愈演愈烈,不由得产生一些疑问。

1. 募捐本意是救急不救穷。多少才够应有个度。现在这些够了?如果够了为何还要接着造势?

2. 遇难家政府双职工,可COVER TRAVEL OUTSIDE CANADA 运尸体费每人3000,因为互相COVER,就是6000. 每个小孩每月有SURVIVAL BENEFITS。可是发起人(据说也是政府工)有意无意光强调死者无保险及多缺钱。但是真实情况的确如此吗?就算无旅游意外保险,政府固有的保险是不是保险?


3. 其实这个难属妈妈的收入可能已经高于加拿大家庭平均收入拉。一家5人去古巴一次也要万儿八千的吧。其实,这个意外和其他经常车祸意外没什么本质不同 也就是个uncontrollable natural force造成的意外。每个灾难后面都有一个悲惨的故事。

4.钱不够,可否光运骨灰或其他便宜一点的PACKAGE?

5.看看CTV NEWS,家属说不知道家里有多少钱,是不知道。接下来的政客一开口就是WE一天就幕了多少钱。

6.一开始所谓的保护家属的准则,隐藏掉小孩脸部特征啥的,经过某些人的媒体炒做之后,成了全家人相貌,包括无辜小孩的相貌一览无余!! 而且镜头花大量时间在每个人照片上扫。我们想问那位拉媒体来的先生是否在大量出镜之余用其足以当PM的英文去告诉CTV的人保护可怜的死者家属的隐私?

看了电视后忽然就一阵鸡皮疙瘩了。此君是在通过电视向保守党展识其募捐能力,以便在党内选举加分啊。联系到最近某些人的互动,就不难理解第一个疑问了。

去世的人令人惋惜,家属值得同期,爱心募捐本来是好事,有同情心的人们表达一下意思,点到为止也罢了。但是,诸多事实和事情发展让有良知的, 和信息不对称的人们不禁要问:本次募捐何去何从?有多少比例的善良人们会在一哄而上善心,善举之后反思甚至后悔,尤其是通过media看到落难人的真实条件只后?

我们拟目以待。
 
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