25000难民2month

25000都是UN注册的基督徒难民的话估计对加拿大不会造成多大问题

不可能都是基督徒难民, 主要还牧丝林.

HARPER优先接受基督徒难民的做法还是偷偷干的都招致了广泛批评 ...
 
“有啥不理解的”
- 不理解的理由如下:
既然“政府有鉴定恐怖分子现成的标准, 也相信政府不会因为要加快移民就不执行这些标准.” , 同时面对的是 25000这个数字。
为什么不能把处理时间延长一些?
2个月, 无论如何也不够的。
再说, 这 25000个人一定会进入加拿大, (当从这25000中剔除掉1个, 可以从25000之外另补1个进来, 当然, 这样会导致鉴定和处理时间更加延长)既然如此, 何妨稍微等待一下?3个月又如何?4个月又如何?
加拿大既然 承诺了25000人, 那么让他们在当地等待一下又何妨?加拿大可以给他们提供食物,衣物, 以及其他必要物品, 唯一的要求就是排队等待而已。

难道花费6个月或者1年调查,就损害了加拿大人道主义的名声了?
2个月零1天, 加拿大的和平主义形象就轰然倒地了?

实事求是, 该花多少时间,就花多少时间, 难道不行吗?

既然如此, 何必2个月? 1个月好了, 这样,加拿大的人道主义浓度会是现在的2倍。
好建议。建议把这意见传给自由党党魁。
 
不可能都是基督徒难民, 主要还牧丝林.

HARPER优先接受基督徒难民的做法还是偷偷干的都招致了广泛批评 ...
说的是Syria难民,没说背景
 
甄别, 没有可能,

就算是联合国过滤了一遍的, 加拿大甄别也是独立程序, 也不可能2个月完成25000.
其实自由党违背自己的话语, 大家心里早就做好准备了, 伪爷坐回去的放弃ORPP的那段, 刚说完.
我只是没想到, 这阿胶能傻到给自己2个月, 完成25000人. 要么违背承诺, 完不成人数, 要么, 放弃国门, 不履行维护国家安全的基本职责. 没想到"小吐啊斗"还没真正组阁, 就可能要违背自己的承诺了.

不说别的, 不说他为了上台故意怎样, 至少说young optimistics已经开始显现出他们对治理国家对责任二字的无知了.
好像是:
联合国过滤了一遍的, 加拿大不用再甄别。

TRUDEAU 九月不是说过要派飞机去接吗?
估计25000年底完成, keep promise问题不会太大。
25000人很快要过上好日子了!
 
中东的难民, 最终大多数还是会落在中东的. 加拿大接受个25000人, 基本就是做个姿态, 杯水车薪都算不上.

只不过一个以移民为主的老中论坛, 居然强烈反对接受这区区25000人, 实在是很讽刺 ...
哥长期跟一帮当年的越南船民生活, 他们来了后都很成功. 所以哥对难民不反对.

至于恐怖分子, 哥觉得那是反恐的话题, 有专门的部门负责. 跟接受难民混在一起, 其实是在混淆视听 ...

我觉得您看问题确实有点简单搞一刀切,比如把移民和难民视为一体(出来这么久从没听说过 immigration 等同于refugee的,能给个出处?),认为全天下的难民都是一样的,所以反对随意接受叙利亚难民就是反对加拿大移民政策等等。
当年接受的越南难民大多都懂得知恩图报,出了不少人才回报社会。没听说越南船民搞恐袭,就算有也没有上升到国家安全高度的。反观这些叙利亚难民,欧洲报纸天天报道多少IS混进去了,多少正在在路上。世界都在讨论难道加拿大社会不应该警惕这种威胁?所以问题跟问题是不一样,不能简单依靠过去的经验判断现在。
 
“We looked carefully at our capacity. We looked carefully at the steps and procedures to keep Canada and Canadians safe. And we’ve come up with a much accelerated plan that will bring 10,000 Syrian refugees here by September 2016.”

保守党答复提速后的期限和人数.
 
What it takes to bring a Syrian refugee to Canada: Paperwork, interrogations and up to 18 months

Alia Dharssi, Postmedia News
| September 13, 2015 3:23 PM ET
More from Postmedia News

refugees.jpg

AP Photo/Giannis PapanikosThe sun rises as refugees and migrants walk to pass from the northern Greek village of Idomeni to southern Macedonia, Friday, Sept. 11, 2015. The sudden onset of autumn has taken tens of thousands by surprise all along the Balkans route from Greece to Hungary, the main gateway to Western Europe for more than 160,000 asylum seekers already this year.
The numbers are a hot-button issue. But whether Canada lets in 10,000 or 100,000 refugees fleeing the continuing crisis in Syria, the process is largely the same — slow. In the last 20 months, for example, only 2,374 of the many thousands we have promised safe haven in Canada have actually made it here. Postmedia’s Alia Dharssi deconstructs the holdups, er, “process.”

ARE YOU OFFICIALLY A REFUGEE?

The first step toward Canadian refuge is certification by the country you have landed in or by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. You will, however, have to get in line: the Zaatari camp in Jordan, as just one example, houses more than 80,000 people. Your status may also depend on your background. For example, if you’re Kurdish, you can’t get UN registration done in Turkey, the landing pad for about 1.9 million refugees.

OK, BUT ARE YOU REALLY A REFUGEE?

Your papers all check out, according to some: now it’s Canada’s turn to decide if you’re the refugee you say you are. This is done by Canadian visa officers abroad — usually in the middle of nowhere, and often without the documentation applicants need. “Just imagine you’re doing all this in a camp-like situation and there are thousands of people, therefore we have all this paperwork,” says Ratna Omidvar, chair of Lifeline Syria and a professor at Ryerson University.

TELL ME IN PERSON.

Paperwork is just the start. Canadian visa officers also interview applicants and that means your entire family (who may have changed since you landed in a refugee camp) to see if their stories check out. Interviews are supposed to take 45 minutes to an hour. But Janet Dench, executive director of the Canadian Council for Refugees, has heard about some lasting just 30 minutes — not enough time, she says, to figure out if someone or their entire family are refugees or not, especially if they are speaking through a translator. Worse: visa officers can lack specific training in dealing with refugees and legitimate cases can be rejected. In 2011, for example, the Federal Court ruled a Canadian visa officer in Egypt had unreasonably rejected several Eritrean refugees. Among other issues, the officer did not give due consideration to the fact the UNHCR had already determined they were refugees and didn’t believe two applicants were Pentecostal Christians because they couldn’t name the “seven gifts of the Holy Spirit.”

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT JIHAD?

Once a visa officer decides a refugee application is credible, the next step is a security screenings. Checks for criminal records (anyone guilty of a war crime can’t come to Canada) and other red flags (signs of terrorist activity) are conducted in the country where the refugee is staying with the help of Interpol. If the security check raises any concerns, the applicant must wait for an interview with a Canadian Security Intelligence Service officer. Add the possibility of another 18- to 24-month delay.

COUGH, PLEASE

Refugees must also get medical clearance from doctors designated to conduct screenings by the Canadian government. You cannot be rejected because of an illness. But if you’re in the throes of one, say, tuberculosis, you do have to get treatment before you get on a plane to your new home. Timeline: a few months.

MEET YOUR BANKROLLERS

To get all your applications and medical exams, and finally a flight from your physical location to Canada, the government will give you up to $10,000. The bad news: it’s a loan you have to repay after the first month of your arrival. Dench of the Canadian Council for Refugees says, not surprisingly, this can place a huge strain on people struggling to get their footing in a new country. For your first year, you will also likely need another $27,000 or so for a family of four. Some of this will be covered by the government, which oversees all refugees coming to Canada. But it usually pays only some of the bills. So far, it has fully paid for about 26 per cent of refugees. Another one per cent have their bills split between the government and private sponsors, and 73 per cent have had their costs covered completely by private sponsors.
 
好像是:
联合国过滤了一遍的, 加拿大不用再甄别。

TRUDEAU 九月不是说过要派飞机去接吗?
估计25000年底完成, keep promise问题不会太大。
25000人很快要过上好日子了
这只是你一厢情愿的想法。
 
25,000人,两个月,做移民文件都来不及。
 
看看程序.
就算承认UN难民署的第一轮筛选.
看看还有多少事情
还是觉得这是扯蛋.
两个月?
 
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/09/03/trudeau-wants-to-accept-25000-refugees

http://globalnews.ca/news/2231038/j...ould-consider-airlifting-refugees-from-syria/



“Canadians get it, that this is about doing the right thing, it is about living up to the values that we cherish as a country and it is also an extraordinary way to continue to grow our country,” the Liberal leader told reporters in Montreal. “Canada must immediately accept 25,000 Syrian refugees, stop dragging its heels and understand that we must once again be the country that we like to think of ourselves as.
 
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我觉得您看问题确实有点简单搞一刀切,比如把移民和难民视为一体(出来这么久从没听说过 immigration 等同于refugee的,能给个出处?),认为全天下的难民都是一样的,所以反对随意接受叙利亚难民就是反对加拿大移民政策等等。
当年接受的越南难民大多都懂得知恩图报,出了不少人才回报社会。没听说越南船民搞恐袭,就算有也没有上升到国家安全高度的。反观这些叙利亚难民,欧洲报纸天天报道多少IS混进去了,多少正在在路上。世界都在讨论难道加拿大社会不应该警惕这种威胁?所以问题跟问题是不一样,不能简单依靠过去的经验判断现在。

那是因为你纠缠细节, 不看大局, 只看现象没看到本质.

反对中东难民真正担心的, 不是说这一批25000里能混进几个恐怖分子, 而是担心MSL人口增多影响本地的文化和生活方式. 其实人家担心的不光是MSL, 中国人大量涌入也会引起同样的担心.

反恐是反恐, 那是另外一个专业的领域. 你要不信哥的话, 等这帮难民来了, 你看看加拿大的恐怖袭击有没有增加就知道了. 这也不用等多久, 一年半载的事情 ...
 
What it takes to bring a Syrian refugee to Canada: Paperwork, interrogations and up to 18 months

Alia Dharssi, Postmedia News
| September 13, 2015 3:23 PM ET
More from Postmedia News

refugees.jpg

AP Photo/Giannis PapanikosThe sun rises as refugees and migrants walk to pass from the northern Greek village of Idomeni to southern Macedonia, Friday, Sept. 11, 2015. The sudden onset of autumn has taken tens of thousands by surprise all along the Balkans route from Greece to Hungary, the main gateway to Western Europe for more than 160,000 asylum seekers already this year.
The numbers are a hot-button issue. But whether Canada lets in 10,000 or 100,000 refugees fleeing the continuing crisis in Syria, the process is largely the same — slow. In the last 20 months, for example, only 2,374 of the many thousands we have promised safe haven in Canada have actually made it here. Postmedia’s Alia Dharssi deconstructs the holdups, er, “process.”

ARE YOU OFFICIALLY A REFUGEE?

The first step toward Canadian refuge is certification by the country you have landed in or by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. You will, however, have to get in line: the Zaatari camp in Jordan, as just one example, houses more than 80,000 people. Your status may also depend on your background. For example, if you’re Kurdish, you can’t get UN registration done in Turkey, the landing pad for about 1.9 million refugees.

OK, BUT ARE YOU REALLY A REFUGEE?

Your papers all check out, according to some: now it’s Canada’s turn to decide if you’re the refugee you say you are. This is done by Canadian visa officers abroad — usually in the middle of nowhere, and often without the documentation applicants need. “Just imagine you’re doing all this in a camp-like situation and there are thousands of people, therefore we have all this paperwork,” says Ratna Omidvar, chair of Lifeline Syria and a professor at Ryerson University.

TELL ME IN PERSON.

Paperwork is just the start. Canadian visa officers also interview applicants and that means your entire family (who may have changed since you landed in a refugee camp) to see if their stories check out. Interviews are supposed to take 45 minutes to an hour. But Janet Dench, executive director of the Canadian Council for Refugees, has heard about some lasting just 30 minutes — not enough time, she says, to figure out if someone or their entire family are refugees or not, especially if they are speaking through a translator. Worse: visa officers can lack specific training in dealing with refugees and legitimate cases can be rejected. In 2011, for example, the Federal Court ruled a Canadian visa officer in Egypt had unreasonably rejected several Eritrean refugees. Among other issues, the officer did not give due consideration to the fact the UNHCR had already determined they were refugees and didn’t believe two applicants were Pentecostal Christians because they couldn’t name the “seven gifts of the Holy Spirit.”

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT JIHAD?

Once a visa officer decides a refugee application is credible, the next step is a security screenings. Checks for criminal records (anyone guilty of a war crime can’t come to Canada) and other red flags (signs of terrorist activity) are conducted in the country where the refugee is staying with the help of Interpol. If the security check raises any concerns, the applicant must wait for an interview with a Canadian Security Intelligence Service officer. Add the possibility of another 18- to 24-month delay.

COUGH, PLEASE

Refugees must also get medical clearance from doctors designated to conduct screenings by the Canadian government. You cannot be rejected because of an illness. But if you’re in the throes of one, say, tuberculosis, you do have to get treatment before you get on a plane to your new home. Timeline: a few months.

MEET YOUR BANKROLLERS

To get all your applications and medical exams, and finally a flight from your physical location to Canada, the government will give you up to $10,000. The bad news: it’s a loan you have to repay after the first month of your arrival. Dench of the Canadian Council for Refugees says, not surprisingly, this can place a huge strain on people struggling to get their footing in a new country. For your first year, you will also likely need another $27,000 or so for a family of four. Some of this will be covered by the government, which oversees all refugees coming to Canada. But it usually pays only some of the bills. So far, it has fully paid for about 26 per cent of refugees. Another one per cent have their bills split between the government and private sponsors, and 73 per cent have had their costs covered completely by private sponsors.
这个是保守党领导下的加拿大。
现在Change 了。恐怕不会要费那么大力了吧?
你不相信Trudeau会keep 他的25000难民的 promise?
 
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