关于7.22挪威恐怖袭击事件

[九妹]

“恐怖袭击分子好象是一个虔诚的基督教徒。” 请给出处，谢谢！

Google会告诉您。

 

[mugua]

你起的楼，我以为你知道具体细节。

我帮九妹给贴上。

Religious and political views[edit]
Islamophobia and Zionism[edit]
Following his apprehension, Breivik was characterised by analysts as being a right-wing extremist with anti-Muslim views and a deep-seated hatred of Islam,[177] who considered himself a knight dedicated to stemming the tide of Muslim immigration into Europe.[178][179]

He was at first described by many in the media as a Christian fundamentalist, Christian terrorist, nationalist and right-wing extremist.[66][180][181][182][183][184] He claims that the European Union is a project to create "Eurabia"[185][186][187] and describes the 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia as being authorised by "criminal western European and American leaders".[188] The Jerusalem Post describes him as pro-Israel and strongly opposed to Islam, and asserts that his manifesto includes "extreme screed of Islamophobia" and "far-right Zionism".[9] In his writings Breivik states that "the Battle of Vienna in 1683 should be celebrated as the Independence Day for all Western Europeans as it was the beginning of the end for the second Islamic wave of Jihads."[189]

The manifesto urges the Hindu nationalists to drive Muslims out of India.[190] He demands the forced deportation of all Muslims from Europe, based on the model of the Beneš decrees.[15][191]

Christianity[edit]
In 2009, he wrote "Today's Protestant church is a joke. Priests in jeans who march for Palestine and churches that look like minimalist shopping centres. I am a supporter of an indirect collective conversion of the Protestant church back to the Catholic."[192] Before the attacks, he stated an intention to attend Frogner Church in a final "Martyr's mass".[193]

The manifesto states its author is "100 percent Christian",[32] but he is not "excessively religious"[32] and considers himself a "cultural Christian" and a "modern-day crusader".[32][194] His manifesto states "I'm not going to pretend I'm a very religious person, as that would be a lie", calls religion a crutch and a source for drawing mental strength, and says "I've always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment." Regarding the term cultural Christian, which he says means preserving European culture, he notes, "It is enough that you are a Christian-agnostic or a Christian-atheist (an atheist who wants to preserve at least the basics of the European Christian cultural legacy...)"[184][194] Furthermore, Breivik stated that "myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God."[194][195] Nevertheless, he stated that he planned to pray to God for help during his attacks.[196]

Breivik condemned Pope Benedict XVI for his dialogue with Islam: "Pope Benedict has abandoned Christianity and all Christian Europeans and is to be considered a cowardly, incompetent, corrupt and illegitimate Pope." It will thus be necessary, writes Breivik, to overthrow the Protestant and Catholic hierarchies, after which a "Great Christian Congress" would set up a new European Church.[197] He has also condemned Christian missionary activity in India as it would lead to the "total destruction of the Hindu faith and culture", and he expresses support for the Hindutva movement against Indian Communist movements.[198]

American Christian press has also highlighted that Breivik appears to have addressed followers of the Neopagan religion of Odinism in his writ. In regards to them, he says, "even Odinists can fight with us or by our side as brothers" in the Knights Templar organisation of which Breivik claims to be a founding member. He later advocates rejecting Odinism, saying that the Thor's Hammer cannot unify the people of Europe, but that the Christian cross will.[199]

Deputy police chief Roger Andresen initially told reporters that information on Breivik's websites was "so to speak, Christian fundamentalist".[66][200][201][202] Many mainstream media like The New York Times call him a Christian fundamentalist.[203] Others have disputed Andresen's characterisation of Breivik as a Christian fundamentalist.[197][204]

 

[rctli]

佛教，道教也不是高大上。
教和人相似，没有完人，也没有完教。
能接受难听意见的人和教真不多。

有句话说： Not perfect, but the best so far.

 

[九妹]

你起的楼，我以为你知道具体细节。

2002年4月，袭击者在英国伦敦和9名极右翼人士秘密见，成立一个“十字军”性质的组织，开始计划这次袭击案。

 

[mugua]

九妹认为，凡让人向善的都是能信的。

除非你把信仰当专业。你能把一个教全懂透澈？ 几句话可能是向善的，可后面包含的呢？
我只信我认为对的。比如，己所不欲,勿施于人。

 

[九妹]

他们杀人前喊为了如来，为了玉皇大帝，为了上帝没?杀人是为了成佛，还是上天和嫦娥结婚？

那，您这不变得极端了吗？

 

[mugua]

有句话说： Not perfect, but the best so far.

那就别全信。你是这意思吗？

 

[mugua]

只问你一句话，基督徒做什么对不起你的事了？你这是什么意思，“嫉妒兔”？ 人的心里得多扭曲，能想出这样的名字？
虽然你不承认，甚至你可以伪装，但是 上帝知道你的心里，知道你心里一切的肮脏和罪恶。我也如此，并不比你干净。但是耶稣的道能清洁我们的心。我劝你离开你的罪，接受主耶稣的救恩，你才能有一颗清洁的心，也才能免除那当受的刑罚。希望你能听进去。
你我无怨无仇，我何必为自己树敌。一番真心话，你听得进去最好，听不进去，就当我没说。

你也太以为你的能力了。你还真以为你就是嫉妒兔？
你还有点可笑。

 

[奔波儿灞]

那，您这不变得极端了吗？

咱俩不在一个频道上。

 

[九妹]

只问你一句话，基督徒做什么对不起你的事了？你这是什么意思，“嫉妒兔”？ 人的心里得多扭曲，能想出这样的名字？
虽然你不承认，甚至你可以伪装，但是 上帝知道你的心里，知道你心里一切的肮脏和罪恶。我也如此，并不比你干净。但是耶稣的道能清洁我们的心。我劝你离开你的罪，接受主耶稣的救恩，你才能有一颗清洁的心，也才能免除那当受的刑罚。希望你能听进去。
你我无怨无仇，我何必为自己树敌。一番真心话，你听得进去最好，听不进去，就当我没说。

虚伪了不是？您已经树敌，还说“何必为自己树敌”。
关于救赎，唯有自己才能救赎自己。

 

[一心无住]

只问你一句话，基督徒做什么对不起你的事了？你这是什么意思，“嫉妒兔”？ 人的心里得多扭曲，能想出这样的名字？
虽然你不承认，甚至你可以伪装，但是 上帝知道你的心里，知道你心里一切的肮脏和罪恶。我也如此，并不比你干净。但是耶稣

只问你一句话，基督徒做什么对不起你的事了？你这是什么意思，“嫉妒兔”？ 人的心里得多扭曲，能想出这样的名字？
虽然你不承认，甚至你可以伪装，但是 上帝知道你的心里，知道你心里一切的肮脏和罪恶。我也如此，并不比你干净。但是耶稣的道能清洁我们的心。我劝你离开你的罪，接受主耶稣的救恩，你才能有一颗清洁的心，也才能免除那当受的刑罚。希望你能听进去。
你我无怨无仇，我何必为自己树敌。一番真心话，你听得进去最好，听不进去，就当我没说。

不信耶稣就受刑法？好可怕！
信耶稣就变纯洁？好可笑啊！基督教和基督徒那么多劣迹是怎么回事？

 

[九妹]

你以为“十字军”是基督徒？ 耶稣说，”人心里恨人就跟杀人是一样的罪“，你认为他的门徒会组织去杀人？
建议你看看主后300年期间，被罗马帝国屠杀的基督徒的历史 ，有没有一个基督徒反抗。

他是一个基督教恐怖主义者这是不争的事实。

 

[mugua]

我也觉得我很可笑。既然你听不进去，我还说什么呢。 人无法改变人的思想，也无法改变人心。

你这帖说得好。我没有让你来说服我，我也觉得你没有必要说服我。让人说话，这天还是天。你的信仰还是你的。
我只是说我想的，不麻烦你来说服我。原因是我对任何宗教都不信，我信科学，我信地球有45亿年。而你们觉得地球才6000年。这能协调吗？差太远了。

 

[mugua]

不信耶稣就受刑法？好可怕！
信耶稣就变纯洁？好可笑啊！基督教和基督徒那么多劣迹是怎么回事？

现在很明确了吧， 一心？ 宗教没太大的区别，都有教纲，都有极端分子。“受刑法”和木木的说法很接近吧？

 

[mugua]

他是一个基督教恐怖主义者这是不争的事实。

我不肯定他或她是什么样的人，但肯定宗教都差不多：是可以培养极端分子的温床。