天主教教义中是否存在玛利亚崇拜?

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    As Christians, we focus our hearts and minds on Christ and on Christ alone.
     
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    But Christ is everywhere present, so your heart and mind should be on everywhere too.
     
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    John 14:6
    Jesus saith unto him, I am THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    John 1:18
    No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

    There is a reason why the focus of a true believer of God should be on Christ the Son instead of the Holy Father or the Holy Spirit, not to mention the church or everything/anything/all things (as you implied), which are merely God's creation.
     
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    对不起,你似乎没有理解"中保"的含义。

    做中保是要有能力替人还债的。你、我、“圣徒”、或者"圣母玛丽亚"有能力权柄为罪人赎罪或者赦免人的罪吗?

    另外,神明明白白通过圣经启示我们主耶稣是神和人之间的唯一中保,你居然可以理直气壮在这里宣称教徒可以请“圣人”为中保,教徒间彼此也是对方的中保。这样随意对待圣经的态度,真不知道是你自己独有的还是天主教徒作为一个群体所普遍具有的?

    提摩太前书 2:5 因为 神只有一位,在 神和人中间也只有一位中保,就是降世为人的基督耶稣。
     
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    Fifteen rosary promises ("Virgin Mary" was claiming to be God, wasn't she?)
    A tradition held by the Order of Preachers (also known as Dominicans) holds that through Saint Dominic and Alan de Rupe, the Blessed Virgin Mary made fifteen specific promises to Christians who faithfully pray the Rosary.[1][2] The fifteen stated promises range from protection from misfortune to meriting a high degree of glory in heaven.

    Part of a series on the Rosary of the Catholic Church
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    A Catholic rosary.
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    History
    Alanus de Rupe (Alain de la Roche) was a 15th-century Dominican preacher, best known for his efforts to promote the Rosary. Alanus claimed to have experienced a vision by which it was revealed to him that the Blessed Virgin Mary had appeared to St. Dominic and gave him the Rosary as a means to combat the Albigensianmovement. Alanus de Rupe's revelation concerning St. Dominic and the Rosary was generally accepted until the 17th century when the Bollandists concluded that the account of Dominic's supposed apparition of Our Lady of the Rosary is not mentioned in any documents of the Church or Dominican Order prior to the accounts of Alanus over two hundred years later.

    Fifteen rosary promises
    The 15 promises fall under the category of "private revelation", and as such are a pious tradition, which a person is free to believe or not believe.[5]
    1. Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive signal graces.
    2. I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.
    3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies.
    4. It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the heart of men from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.
    5. The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary shall not perish.
    6. Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its sacred mysteries, shall never be conquered and never overwhelmed by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death (unprepared for heaven). The sinner shall convert. The just shall grow in grace and become worthy of eternal life.
    7. Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the sacraments of the Church.
    8. Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have, during their life and at their death, the light of God and the plenitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the saints in paradise.
    9. I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.
    10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in heaven.
    11. You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.
    12. All those who propagate the holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.
    13. I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death.
    14. All who recite the Rosary are my sons, and brothers of my only son Jesus Christ.
    15. Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.
     
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    你連基本名詞都未弄好。
    中保是 intercessor
    有能力替人还债, 贖罪的是叫 redeemer

    你去搞清 intercessor 與 redeemer 的分別後才回來發帖, 拜託
     
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    提摩太前书 2:5 因为 神只有一位,在 神和人中间也只有一位中保,就是降世为人的基督耶稣。

    1 Timothy 2:5 King James Bible
    For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

    是谁在滥用在圣经中有特定含义的"中保"(mediator)这个词? 出于无知还是出于故意?
     
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    讀經要讀上, 又讀下既, 唔好只看一句, 一字。

    弟茂德前書 1-5

    1首先我勸導眾人,要為一切人懇求、祈禱、轉求和謝恩,
    2並為眾君王和一切有權位的人,為叫我們能以全心的虔敬和端莊,度寧靜平安的生活。
    3這原是美好的,並在我們的救主天主面前是蒙受悅納的。
    4因為他願意所有的人都得救,並得以認識真理,
    5因為天主只有一個,在天主與人之間的中保也只有一個,就是降生成人的基督耶穌,


    首四節都是鼓勵人互相懇求、祈禱、轉求和謝恩, 無理由一到第五節就自己反駁講過的, 說一切都無效, 中保只有一個?

    這正是上文不接下理, 說明是你解錯經。


    第二,
    經文中的
    『因為天主只有一個,在天主與人之間的中保也只有一個,就是降生成人的基督耶穌,』
    在經文其它地方, 都是用上同同一個字來形容梅瑟。
    說明, 中保一字, 除了救贖者的意思外, 還有其它含意。
     
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    "5因為天主只有一個,在天主與人之間的中保也只有一個,就是降生成人的基督耶穌,"

    "中保““童贞玛利亚”在哪里?
     
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    若中保只有一個,
    為甚麼教徒不躲在家自己向上主禱告?
    請甚麼的牧師長老來幹嗎? 多餘!
     
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    中保一词在圣经中有明确的特别含义,这含义在这段经文中说得明明白白,"5因為天主只有一個,在天主與人之間的中保也只有一個,就是降生成人的基督耶穌,"

    中保(mediator)不是代祷者(intercessor),请用严肃恭敬的心对待上帝所默示的圣经经文好不好?
     
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    查了一下,“中保”的希腊原文μεσίτης在圣经中出现过六次。其中5次是指主耶稣基督(作为新约的中保),1次指摩西(作为旧约的中保)。

    http://cnbible.com/greek/3316.htm
     
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    你肯去查就好哩。
    既然你都搵到梅瑟也是叫「中保」
    那你是否直指經文:

    「在天主與人之間的中保也只有一個,」是錯了?

    是你錯,還是經錯?
     
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    好, 我们一点一点来。

    首先,你承认"中保"这个词在圣经中有特殊含义。它不是指任何代祷者(intercessor) 而是指上帝与人立约的中保(mediator)。对不对?
     
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    呵呵。。。。
    幾時又搞出了「中保」是神「與人立約」時的人代表?

    那麼, 諾厄, 亞巴郎也曾與神立約, 都是「中保」?


    愈弄愈糟了
     

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