前几天和父母通电话问了几句饥荒年代的事。希望不要在这里争吵。希望大家都问问老人,把得到的饥荒年代的情况真实地记录在这里,为这段历史不被抹去做一点事。

和平时期,960万平方公里的土地上,十几个省同时大面积遭受自然灾害,时间长达三年,可以上地质历史了吧,至少也能上吉利丝世界记录了。:good:
怎么定义这个 “自然灾害” , 里头的花样可多了。

我党当时就是土包子一个, 就只有两点好: 一个是肯抱着斯大林喊爸爸, 另一个就是琢磨这种文字花样手段百出。
 
有一张很熟悉的面孔在里面。 赫赫。
25 Of The Most Evil People The World Has Ever Seen. The Things They Did Are Absolutely Disgusting!


25. Elizabeth Bathory
Often referred to as ‘Countess Dracula’, Elizabeth Bathory was one of the inspirational figures that lead to the creation of Dracula himself.
This monster of a women believed that the blood of young girls was the secret to keeping her skin looking vibrant and youthful… She managed to obtain her “skin care” system by torturing and killing over 650 girls!
There are also rumors are that she had cannibalistic tendencies and that she would eat her servants and then bath in their blood… Full on!

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24. Talat Pasha
Talat Pasha was the Grand Vizier, or Prime Minister, to the Sultan of the Ottoman empire through the late 1910’s.
As Grand Vizier he was responsible for the rape, torture, and genocide of around 1.5 million Armenian people…
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23. Josef Mengele
The name Josef Mengele has become synonymous with the Nazi concentration camp Auschwitz, which he was charged with running through out WWII.
Asides from sending more than 400,000 innocent Jews the gas chambers he was also responsible for over seeing the horrific human experiments program and ordering other barbaric atrocities on his prisoners.
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22. Reinhard Heydrich
Described as “the man with the iron heart” by Adolf Hitler himself, historians regard Reinhard Heydrich as the darkest figure within the Nazi elite.
Heydrich was one of the main authorities charged with “relocating” 60,000 Jews from Germany to Poland, where they were forced to settle in Ghettos and eventually shipped off to the death camps.
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21. Osama bin Laden
As the founder of the Islamic extremest group Al-Qaeda, bin Laden was ultimately responsible for the worst terror attack carried out on United States soil since the bombing of Pearl Harbor during WWII.
His attack on the world trade center left 3,000 people dead with a further 6,000 injured.
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20. Saddam Hussein
As the president of Iraq, Saddam Hussein was responsible of the genocide killings of approximately 2 million of his own citizens. It is said that he would record these executions and watch them at his house for amusement.
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18. Adolf Eichmann
As another major organizer of the holocaust, Adolf Eichmanng facilitated and managed mass deportation of Jews to ghettos and extermination camps. He was responsible for up to 5 to 6 million Jewish deaths and had claimed himself that he would happily kill his own father if he was ordered to do so.
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17. Maximilien Robespierre
As one of the leading figures of the French Revolution, Maximilien Robespierre created a reign of terror that took place over a 10-month period where he carried out innumerable horrid executions.
After coming into power he began killing people indiscriminately, including some of his closest friends, and believed that rather than forgiving people, it was best to just kill them.
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[paste:font size="3"]15. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini
Ayatollah Ruhollah Komeini led a religious coupe in Iran that lead to the murder of both his religious and political rivals.
Once in power, the Ayatollah imposed hard religious laws on the Iranian people, which has led to the imprisonment and torture of dissenting citizens.
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14. Emperor Hirohito
As the ruler of the Japanese Empire, Emperor Hirohito was responsible for atrocious crimes against humanity and genocide of millions of Chinese, Indonesian, Korean, Filipino and Indochinese citizens.
In particular, he ordered all Chinese war prisoners to be killed in favor of capture, he forced husbands to rape their wives and daughters and he allowed his soldiers to sexually assault over 200,000 women during WWII.
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12. Caligula
Caligula was a member of the house of rulers conventionally known as the Julio-Claudian dynasty and was truly mad!
With delusions of grandeur, and believing himself to be a god, he would murder and torture for fun. He ended up murdering some of his most important allies and family members that ultimately led to his demise.
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11. Attila the Hun
Attila the Hun was the most feared enemy of the Western and Eastern Roman empires.
A battle hungry and barbaric leader, his best known atrocity was the murder of the virgin Saint Ursula and 11,000 of her companions after she refused to marry him…


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[paste:font size="3"]9. Leopold II of Belgium
As the king of Belgium, Leopold II founded the African nation Congo Free State and, whilst representing to the rest of world that he was helping the local Congolese population, the reality was that Leopold was committing heinous crimes against humanity.
Under Leopold’s orders, his men tortured, maimed and slaughtered close to 50% of Congo Free State’s population…
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8. Tomas de Torquemada
Tomas de Torquemada was a Spanish Dominican friar and was the first Grand Inquisitor in Spain’s Inquisition movement to restore Christianity from 1483 to 1498.
Under Torquemada’s rule, he helped create an internal climate of fear that lead to many innocent people being tortured and burned alive.
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6. Ivan the Terrible
After acquiring his position as the Grand Prince Of Moscow in 1533 Ivan the Terrible became very paranoid…
In his quest to protect his power he forced thousands of people to move from their homes and ordered un-told cruelty upon them, including beheading, strangling, burning, blinding, impaling and frying his victims.
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5. Idi Amin
As president of Uganda Idi Amin can be described as possibly one of the most brutal dictators of all time.
He is responsible for the execution of hundreds of thousands of his own people, many of which were broadcast on television, and his men’s signature method to kill and torture people was to use sledge hammers.
In total he killed and tortured between 300,000 to 500,000 Ugandans.
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[paste:font size="3"]3. Adolf Hitler
Adolf Hitler was the Austrian-born politician and the leader of the Nazi Party. Hitler was at the center of Nazi Germany war policy, including creating and over seeing the Holocaust.
In total, Hitler was directly responsible for the death of up to 11 million people but, due to his actions, he cause the death of over 50 million people during WWII.
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2. Joseph Stalin
As the leader of the Soviet Union from the mid 1920s to 1953, Joseph Stalin once said “one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is simply a statistic”.
Under Stalin’s rule, his communist regime was ultimately responsible for the deaths of up to 40 million people.
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1. Vlad Dracula
Also known as Vlad the Impaler, Vlad Dracula was renowned for the numerous methods in which he used to torture and kill people.
Impalement was his most common method of killing people and it was possibly the most horrible and painful methods of execution ever devised. Victims were often impaled through bodily orifices or through the abdomen or chest and Vlad was known to leave his stakes a little dull to ensure impalement was slow and painful… He was also known to roast children of the poor and weak and forced their own parents to eat them!
As one of the most deranged and sadistic humans to ever live, Vlad Dracula has been named as the most evil person history has ever seen.


7. Mao Zedong
As the dictator of China, Mao’s implemented policies he theorized would lead his country becoming a superpower nation.
In the process, Moa instigated the biggest famine and genocide in known history and in total Mao killed, both directly and indirectly, around 70 million people.

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前几天和父母通电话,该说的都说了。正要撂下电话,突然想起饥荒的事就问了几句。结果让我大吃一惊。

从父母那得到一些饥荒年代的情况。如下。
中国上世纪50年代末60年代初的饥荒,确实饿死了很多人。
沈阳市没有听说饿死人。因为每个城里人都有20多斤的苞米面口粮,虽然吃不饱没营养但是不至于饿死。
沈阳人有到本溪挖河泥吃的。河泥就是烂树叶烂草在水下腐烂的沉淀物,里面多多少少有一点能量,所以也是有些水生动物的食物。挖来的河泥与苞米面和在一起蒸窝头吃。
我们家没有去挖河泥吃。我父亲从收获过的庄稼地里拣来苞米杆叶,回来放火碱水煮软,然后捞出来洗洗放到苞米面里面充粮食。
我父母听说老家附近有人饿死。我父母老家是山东临沂诸葛庄。附近的村庄有人饿死,最惨的时候一天饿死28人。:crying:饿死人的原因就是都去搞大跃进大食堂大炼钢铁,不让耕种,不让收获,粮食烂到地里,最后只有挨饿。我老爷(外公)有一个朋友因为天天没有粮食吃,天天吃麦苗煮水,最后不堪饥饿上吊而死。
等大概1961年情况好转,沈阳市有吃撑死的,山东老家吃撑死的比沈阳更多一些。因为长期挨饿营养不良,胃肠都变细了,胃肠功能也弱了,稍微多吃一点就可能撑死。:crying:我父亲和几个同事去单位的农场办事。农场粮食多一些。其中一个同事多吃了一些撑着了,因为农场离医院太远送到医院时已经来不及救治不幸死亡。:crying:

其他省不知道,山东在这三年的确是自然条件非常不利。我父母都亲身经历过。

至于说人祸,我后来很少跟父母辈争论这个人。两代人经历不同,视角不同,改变对方的观点不是一件容易事情(也未必是件有多大意义的事情)。

打个可能不恰当的比方,前段时间偶然在油管上看到小虎队的演出,据说我们小学同学聚会也大唱小虎对来着。对我们这代人来说,这是我们的青涩记忆。对父母那代人来说,他们对于青春的回忆,是跟毛太祖紧密相连的。不是每个人都能有strength去完全否定自己的青春岁月。
 
以前听老师讲过自然灾害时他们不上体育课,喝水睡觉之类的,当时班里同学(包括我自己)都还觉得好玩,根本没有意识到这么严重,吃树皮之类的事总应该发生在解放前。到底是怎样导致这三年灾害的呢?有空时我会自己查查资料,多谢楼主介绍
 
前几天和父母通电话,该说的都说了。正要撂下电话,突然想起饥荒的事就问了几句。结果让我大吃一惊。

从父母那得到一些饥荒年代的情况。如下。
中国上世纪50年代末60年代初的饥荒,确实饿死了很多人。
沈阳市没有听说饿死人。因为每个城里人都有20多斤的苞米面口粮,虽然吃不饱没营养但是不至于饿死。
沈阳人有到本溪挖河泥吃的。河泥就是烂树叶烂草在水下腐烂的沉淀物,里面多多少少有一点能量,所以也是有些水生动物的食物。挖来的河泥与苞米面和在一起蒸窝头吃。
我们家没有去挖河泥吃。我父亲从收获过的庄稼地里拣来苞米杆叶,回来放火碱水煮软,然后捞出来洗洗放到苞米面里面充粮食。
我父母听说老家附近有人饿死。我父母老家是山东临沂诸葛庄。附近的村庄有人饿死,最惨的时候一天饿死28人。:crying:饿死人的原因就是都去搞大跃进大食堂大炼钢铁,不让耕种,不让收获,粮食烂到地里,最后只有挨饿。我老爷(外公)有一个朋友因为天天没有粮食吃,天天吃麦苗煮水,最后不堪饥饿上吊而死。
等大概1961年情况好转,沈阳市有吃撑死的,山东老家吃撑死的比沈阳更多一些。因为长期挨饿营养不良,胃肠都变细了,胃肠功能也弱了,稍微多吃一点就可能撑死。:crying:我父亲和几个同事去单位的农场办事。农场粮食多一些。其中一个同事多吃了一些撑着了,因为农场离医院太远送到医院时已经来不及救治不幸死亡。:crying:
我妈家都在北京的城区,城市户口都有定量供应,她的一个长辈食量大,好不容易熬过三年自然灾害,吃第一顿饱饭后撑死了。看中国人口数据也能看出,那三年的出生率特低,结束后马上人口爆炸。
 
我回答这个帖子是为了感谢LZ,自己曾经受益于LZ提供的信息,虽然对这类话题没兴趣。

我爷爷,奶奶,和一个姑姑是当时饿死的。我父亲当时在县城上中学住校,没饿死。他家里在村里只有一个弟弟,我的叔叔活下来了。他们村里好像饿死了很多人。几乎半个村子的人都死了。具体多少不知道。我父亲后来是考政府的助学金读完了中学和大学。我们很少谈论这个话题。
 
我回答这个帖子是为了感谢LZ,自己曾经受益于LZ提供的信息,虽然对这类话题没兴趣。

我爷爷,奶奶,和一个姑姑是当时饿死的。我父亲当时在县城上中学住校,没饿死。他家里在村里只有一个弟弟,我的叔叔活下来了。他们村里好像饿死了很多人。几乎半个村子的人都死了。具体多少不知道。我父亲后来是考政府的助学金读完了中学和大学。我们很少谈论这个话题。
很高兴信息有用,不过分内之事不用感谢!
谢谢回贴。你父亲的家乡是?情况越详尽越好。
 
是否饿死人从来都不是争议,有争议的是饿死了多少人。因为主要是人祸,不同省份的灾情差别很大。我家老人没有看到或听说身边有饿死的,但大家都知道全国饿死了很多人。大陆公开出版的文学作品里有对饥荒时代的描述。
 




夹边沟,地名,位于中国甘肃省酒泉市境内巴丹吉林沙漠边缘,这里曾经有一个劳改农场。1957年10月至1960年底,近3千名右派分子被关押在这里劳动改造。恰逢中国大饥荒,粮食产量急剧减少,造成约1500人因饥饿而死亡。中国作家杨显惠著有《夹边沟记事》一书,专题纪录这段悲惨的历史。2010年9月6日,中国导演王兵根据小说《告别夹边沟》改编的电影“夹边沟”上映。

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/夹边沟
 
58年的谎言和疯狂是其后大面积饿死人的直接原因。而能有如此的谎言和疯狂则源于57年反右导致的万马齐喑。
所以,逻辑上说,59-62年饿死人是57年反右的结果。
 
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