请教一个关于房子的问题，有点急

[9981]

To Worm:

I totally understand your frustration but in current situation it's of your best interest to try to stay positive:

First, even with this leaking issue, you may still have made the right decision purchasing this house. Don't listen to those comments that since you already started to worry about the integrity of this house, you should totally give it up. No house (especially old house) can be free from issues so even if you thought you bought a perfect house, you would still start to experience issues (even serious ones) after you move in. Do you always have to regret your purchasing decision when those issues come out? Not necessarily! After all, the house may still have the good location, meet your family needs, and (even with all those issues and repair costs) still remains a good investment in the long run.

Second, it's actually much better for you to be able to identify this leaking issue before closing, so most (if not the total) cost of it repair remains the responsibility of the previous owner. Imagine if this leaking incident happens, or is only identified AFTER you move in, then you will have to pay to fix the damage to both your own house and your neighbour! Consider your self lucky because I've heard used house buyers start to experience serious leaking issues (flooding basement, dripping water from upper floor washroom, etc.) several months after they move in.

Third, although in order not to complicate the situation and slow down the selling process, the owner may chose not to mention the incident to you, or proactively inspect his house for possible leaks after that "leaking to neighbour" incident, he could still be a person whose clear promises you can trust. Will he try to collaborate with the repairing contractor to give you a wrong report which covers up the severity of leaking? Or will he break the promise that he will pay for the repair within one year after the closing? I doubt them. As your lawyer already pointed out, legally it's NOT his responsibility to disclaim that incident to you (because it seemed only impact his neighbour then), and whether he "should have known" that incident would affect his own house needs to be argued (after all, people may very well choose to remain passive and "pray for good" in similar situations).

Please do not become "more suspicious" against the owner because he refuses to let you inspect the working ground (you kept mentioning it so I assume that's what you dislike most now)..Trust me, most local people would refuse your request in similar situations. And frankly I don't quite understand why you want to do that? Are you the leaking expert yourself? What do you plan to do with your own observations? In Canada most people and especially the court TRUST professionals (until evidence shows that they are either unqualified or dishonest), so to them it's hard to understand why you refuse to trust a written report from the contractor (who after all could be held legally responsible for that report).

From my objective point of view, the owner seemed to be somewhat cooperative in allowing you to postpone the closing, You would feel much better and become more confident about your house closing if you now simply give the owner more "benefit of doubt" on what he is doing to fix the house and what he promised to help after the closing. Trust the owner and his contractor one more time won't actually hurt you (since you can still hold them legally accountable after closing), but will certainly make you less worried and stay positive.

integrity of house 是什么东东?

 

[uglyducking]

integrity of house 是什么东东?

quality of house?

not exactly.

 

[uglyducking]

 

[TianK]

in·teg·ri·ty
inˈteɡrədē/
noun
noun: integrity

1. 1.
   the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.
   "he is known to be a man of integrity"
   synonyms: honesty, probity, rectitude, honor, good character, principle(s), ethics, morals, righteousness, morality, virtue, decency, fairness, scrupulousness, sincerity, truthfulness, trustworthiness
   "I never doubted his integrity"
   antonyms: dishonesty
2. 2.
   the state of being whole and undivided.
   "upholding territorial integrity and national sovereignty"
   synonyms: unity, unification, coherence, cohesion, togetherness, solidarity
   "the integrity of the federation"
   antonyms: division
   • the condition of being unified, unimpaired, or sound in construction.
     "the structural integrity of the novel"
     synonyms: soundness, strength, sturdiness, solidity, durability, stability, stoutness, toughness
     "the structural integrity of the aircraft"
     antonyms: fragility
   • internal consistency or lack of corruption in electronic data.
     "integrity checking"

 

[9981]

我看到integrity用在人身上很多， 第一次看到这么用， 所以问问

 

[TianK]

我看到integrity用在人身上很多， 第一次看到这么用， 所以问问

While, nowadays it's used very often in terms such as "data integrity"

 

[9981]

除了自己买过也卖过房子外，俺根本和房地产界不沾边。你不用这么阴阳怪气。

楼主急需的是一个解决方案，不是“这房子不能要了”或“赶紧毁约要押金”之类的喧嚣。几年前CFC有一位女士就曾被类似的不负责任忽悠害得草率拒绝closing，最后六万押金血本无归。加国法律保护买家利益，但绝不是通过允许买家签约后随便毁约的方式。

目前明摆着楼主不敢毁约，也不愿意入住后再花精力打官司，那请问他最好的对策是什么？如果你想拿这个人当朋友，该不该给他多点信心和安慰？毕竟，漏水是个大问题，但老房子甚至新房子漏水的不少，修好了它仍可能是一处不错的房子。带着很坏的心情入住又何必呢？那是你的新家啊！

如今隐患被提前发现，房主承诺花钱修好而且一年内负责，楼主如相信他们，又何必太担心？如果不相信，请问又当如何？法律上不可能因为你说“我不再信任你了”就允许你毁约的

但是可以要求弥补造成的损失， 房顶漏水其实也没那么可怕

 

[worm]

非常感谢大家这样帮我们出主意，TianK朋友还花时间写了那么多，我一定仔细读，跟家人认真商量。
上CFC这么多年，虽然有时候大家相互开开玩笑，但当有人真正需要帮助时，坛子里还是正能量多。希望大家千万别为了我家的事闹不开心。谢谢大家了！

 

[9981]

非常感谢大家这样帮我们出主意，TianK朋友还花时间写了那么多，我一定仔细读，跟家人认真商量。
上CFC这么多年，虽然有时候大家相互开开玩笑，但当有人真正需要帮助时，坛子里还是正能量多。希望大家千万别为了我家的事闹不开心。谢谢大家了！

Best wishes and happy new year!

 

[uglyducking]

非常感谢大家这样帮我们出主意，TianK朋友还花时间写了那么多，我一定仔细读，跟家人认真商量。
上CFC这么多年，虽然有时候大家相互开开玩笑，但当有人真正需要帮助时，坛子里还是正能量多。希望大家千万别为了我家的事闹不开心。谢谢大家了！

我们大过年的被你闹得很开心

 

[buyandsell11]

上次Minto和华人买房的纠纷是怎么回事？最后结果如何？知道的人给说一下

 

[yy_2009]

估计压金退了，但有保密协议，否则一定会出声.

 

[Mikejia]

integrity of house 是什么东东?

指结构方面的。

 

[worm]

非常感谢大家前几天的出谋划策，今天上来Update一下：

经过几次negotiation和两次delays之后，终于在前天（周五）下午看到了施工现场，给我感觉象是在建新房一样。邻居的一整面墙从三楼到二楼全换，我们的一面墙从二楼到一楼换了大部分，包括门和窗，只有门窗右侧一小部分内墙没有换，据说那部分没有受到影响。我们问损坏到底有多严重，工人说他们拆开以后发现里面非常潮湿，木头腐烂得厉害，有的地方甚至可以拧出水，当然他说现在全换了。
虽然去之前我就知道外墙、门、窗要换，有一定的心理准备，不过到了现场还是被那么多、那么高的脚手架以及房间里的工地状况给震到了。不知道等工人们撤走以后，房子会是什么样儿。
照了照片回来发给我们的律师，根据他的回复，好象也挺出乎他的意料的，他答应周一再跟对方律师联系一下。
从第一次延期到现在，我们自己已经多付了两千多加币的费用，曾经试探性地问对方可不可以cover，对方回绝了。
事情现在就到这一步，我们也平静一下，等明天看律师们怎么说。

 

[西西妈]

看了就踏实了