What will Doug Ford do now that a judge has blocked his plan to cut Toronto city council?

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  1. 小地主

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    不是说不能改革,改革需要政治家。。。从渥太华市的历史上看,搞改革的都是口头造反派,既无知又胆肥那种。。
     
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    既然要走合法程序,为什么要说民选政府可以无视政治任命法官的判决?
    要走合法程序,就说明要在法律的框架里解决,所以首先要尊重法官的判决。
    FOR的做法完全是,对我有利的,我就尊重法律/法官的判决,否则,就反对。
     
  4. 冷笑9声

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    我提议,这次还是选47个市议员。。。如果担心决策效率低的话,可以在47个议员之上,再搞个9常委?5个、7个也都行。。省长也可以兼任各个多伦多市发展会员会领导小组主席?
    @向问天 @冷笑六声 @小地主 @何叔、何夫人 @胡伯伯 靠铺么?
     
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    notwithstanding clause 是让全社会重新审视法官决定的一个程序。是加国法治的一部分。 用 notwithstanding 不等于说民选政府可以无视法官决定。第一, 它只是暂停执行法官的决定。第二,它有政治代价。加国各省运用 notwithstanding clause 的案例,大多数以省府撤消notwithstanding结束。也有最高法院否决法官裁决的情况。


     
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    法官是法治的一部分, 那个notwithstanding也是法治的一部分。

    坚决依法治国。
     
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    没有天生的政治家。是不是政治家,只有等那些上位的人把事情搞大了,才好评判

     
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    摸着石头过河?撞好了就弯道超车?整不好就下次选下去?我看靠铺。
     
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    渥太华人口是大多四分之一,23个local council。。每个council的运行费用二十万左右,包括给councilor开工资,租办公室请助手,。。大多估计也差不多吧?

    福特这个砍council说为了给纳税人省钱真说不过去。。去扯皮?民主政治不就是扯皮吗?扯皮才能阻止疯子犯错误。。:(

    保守党出身的zero means zero的市长,最后终究没修成正果成政治家:(
     
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    不喊口号你会4啊?:kan:硬盘录音笔都交出来了吗?:(
     
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    如果要砍,也好,那就全省统一标准,多少人口设一个ward。现在动手办,下次全省市选统一按新划分的区来。

    十月市选,现在说改就改,不是儿戏么。
     
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    Former premier Bill Davis, left, and Mayor John Tory laugh as Davis trades quips with the media during a post-council press conference on Dec. 2, 2014. Davis, a key player in the 1982 repatriation of the Constitution, has spoken out against Premier Doug Ford’s use of the “notwithstanding” clause. “The sole purpose of the notwithstanding clause was only for those exceptionally rare circumstances when a province wanted to bring in a specific benefit or program provision for a part of their population — people of a certain age, for example — that might have seemed discriminatory under the Charter,” he said. (David Cooper / Toronto Star)

    The man who governed Ontario from 1971 until 1985, told TVO’s Steve Paikin on Tuesday that “making the Charter a central part of our Constitution, Canada’s basic law, was a deliberate and focused decision by the prime minister and premiers.”

    Davis warned “the sole purpose of the notwithstanding clause was only for those exceptionally rare circumstances when a province wanted to bring in a specific benefit or program provision for a part of their population — people of a certain age, for example — that might have seemed discriminatory under the Charter.”

    “The notwithstanding provision has, understandably, rarely been used, because of the primacy of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms for all Canadians,” he told Paikin, who wrote the 2016 definitive biography, Bill Davis: Nation Builder, and Not So Bland After All.

    “That it might now be used regularly to assert the dominance of any government or elected politician over the rule of law or the legitimate jurisdiction of our courts of law was never anticipated or agreed to.”

    Davis is one of just three living first ministers — along with Newfoundland’s Brian Peckford and Nova Scotia’s John Buchanan — who worked closely with former prime minister Pierre Trudeau to repatriate the Constitution almost four decades ago.

    His alarm at the situation roiling Queen’s Park was echoed by former NDP premier Bob Rae, who governed from 1990 until 1995 and hailed Davis for speaking out “with force and clarity.”

    “The trouble is it’s not a ‘gambit,’ or about ‘positioning’ or ‘branding,’” Rae said on Twitter.

    “It’s about disrespect for democratic and lawful processes. The abuse of power is never a good thing. Populism turns democracy into dictatorship very quickly,” he cautioned.

    Former Tory prime minister Brian Mulroney — whose daughter, Caroline Mulroney, is Ford’s attorney general — has also weighed in.

    “Everybody knows I’m not a big fan of it and I never have been,” Mulroney said Tuesday of the provision, which he stressed he has not discussed with his eldest child.

    “Look, to me, the backbone and the enormous strength of Canada is the independence and the magnificence of our judiciary … That is a major thrust of our citizenship,” he said, referring to the notwithstanding clause as “the most abject surrender of federal authority in our history.”

    For her part, Caroline Mulroney insisted she was not fazed by Tory luminaries like her father and Davis entering the fray.

    “I’m worried about two things. One, I’m making sure we appeal this decision,” she said of Justice Edward Belobaba’s ruling that Ford’s legislation downsizing of Toronto council was unconstitutional.

    “Our government believes it was wrongly decided and I’m worried that the voters in Toronto have clarity on Oct. 22 around the rules governing their election.”
     
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    Amnesty International on Wednesday condemned the move by Premier Doug Ford, seen here in Queen’s Park on Wednesday, to invoke the “notwithstanding” clause as a “contemptuous” disregard for the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. (Chris Young / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

    “To do so in a case involving the fundamental freedom of expression in a context in which core principles around elections and the underpinnings of our democracy are at stake is particularly disgraceful,” Neve said. “This invocation of section 33 by Premier Ford’s government should be withdrawn immediately. Questions about the interpretation and application of the Charter should be pursued through appeals and left to judges to determine.”

    Amnesty released its statement shortly after Ford’s reintroduced bill passed first reading amid a tumultuous day of protest at Queen’s Park in which protesters — including a woman in her 70s — were handcuffed and led from the legislature and several New Democratic representatives were kicked out for banging on their desks.

    After the NDP protest, the bill, named the Efficient Local Government Act, passed first reading 63-17. Only the remaining New Democrats, the Liberals, and the lone Green MPP voted against it.

    Premier Ford hastily recalled the Legislature to invoke the notwithstanding clause after Justice Edward Belobaba ruled on Monday that an earlier version of the bill violated the freedom of expression for voters and candidates.

    “There is no need and should be no place for such a crude provision as the notwithstanding clause,” Amnesty said in its statement, referring to the provision as a “a blatant human rights escape clause.”

    “Amnesty International calls on all governments in Canada to refrain from invoking it.”

    The notwithstanding clause is a rarely used provision of the charter that allows federal and provincial government to pass laws that violent certain rights and freedoms.
     
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    The federal Conservatives say Ontario Premier Doug Ford has the legal right to use the Constitution’s notwithstanding clause to move ahead with plans to cut the size of Toronto city council.

    Brock Harrison, a spokesman for Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer says the constitution places municipal administration under provincial authority.

    Harrison says that Ford made a decision that he is well within the law to make.

    The notwithstanding clause gives provincial legislatures and Parliament the ability to usher in legislation that overrides charter provisions, but only for a five-year period.

    Ford took the rarely used step Monday after a judge said it was unconstitutional to slash the number of city council seats in the middle of a municipal election without consultation, as it interfered with the right to freedom of expression of candidates and voters.

    While Conservative pundits were quick to defend Ford, members of the Conservative party have been largely quiet on the topic until now.
     
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    粗暴干涉加拿大内政。
     

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