加拿大要走向一党制了吗？ 选来选去都是它

[ztbll]

“不支持选举就是为了选出对国家好的政党”

如果政党对国家人民不好，还继续支持，那一党制完事，挺适合独裁
至于血流成河不会有，都不在乎选出的党派好还是坏，哪会血流成河

呵呵，加拿大选民素质偏低，缺乏独立思考能力，所以加拿大更适合一党制，这样韭菜就不费脑子了，安心被奴役就行。

 

[ava333]

This election is more about the future challenges Canada will be facing, mainly the tariff war with the U.S. than about the past issues. In this context, it's no surprise that Canadians opted for Carney's Liberals over Poilievre's Conservatives.

In a democracy, voters need to be thoughtful. If we just jump from one frustration to another and forget why we were upset before,
we're letting emotions run the show.
The U.S. tariff issue feels more like a distraction pushed by the Liberals with media like CBC helping stir up nationalist feelings.
This election is not how thoughtful voters act----it's how emotions take over, and that's risky in a democracy.

 

[LEAP]

That's your opinion, but many Canadians including me disagree. Keep in mind that voters come from diverse backgrounds—and over 30% of eligible voters didn't even cast a ballot.

Stephen Harper, after his 2015 defeat by Justin Trudeau, remarked, “The people are never wrong”.

I truly believe that democracy in Canada remains as strong as ever, if not stronger. Pierre Poilievre accepted the election results without hesitation. Today, Prime Minister Mark Carney stated he is prepared to call a by-election as soon as possible, allowing Poilievre to take his seat in the House of Commons as the Leader of the Opposition.

 

[Anakin]

I'm Canadian and live here.
Elections are meant to pick a gov that helps the country. If they don't deliver, we vote them out. I think that's what elections are supposed to be about.
No blaming PP or Carney, just questioning how we choose our leaders.

直接跟你说吧，保守党选党领的时候是保守党的党员选。但是保守党的党员不等于有投票权的公民。

我就认识好几个保守党的党员，但是只有绿卡（而且明确表示不会入藉）….我就想说你们大选投票权都没有，这不是搞笑吗？

但是这并不妨碍他们在各个群鼓励大家选保守党。

 

[红红枫叶]

直接跟你说吧，保守党选党领的时候是保守党的党员选。但是保守党的党员不等于有投票权的公民。

我就认识好几个保守党的党员，但是只有绿卡（而且明确表示不会入藉）….我就想说你们大选投票权都没有，这不是搞笑吗？

但是这并不妨碍他们在各个群鼓励大家选保守党。

自由党也是如此啊，PR 可以参加党内选举投票。可以翻翻全国大选前，自由党党内选举的新闻

 

[ava333]

That's your opinion, but many Canadians including me disagree. Keep in mind that voters come from diverse backgrounds—and over 30% of eligible voters didn't even cast a ballot.

Stephen Harper, after his 2015 defeat by Justin Trudeau, remarked, “The people are never wrong”.

I truly believe that democracy in Canada remains as strong as ever, if not stronger. Pierre Poilievre accepted the election results without hesitation. Today, Prime Minister Mark Carney stated he is prepared to call a by-election as soon as possible, allowing Poilievre to take his seat in the House of Commons as the Leader of the Opposition.

This isn’t about PP, Carney, or left vs. right.
It’s about democracy: fail and step down. Don’t deliver, get voted out.
Canada’s been sliding for a decade. Trudeau’s fall says it all—he lost the people.
If a failing party can keep power by spinning stories, why bother with elections? -----That’s one-party rule.
Doesn’t matter which party—Liberal, Conservative, NDP—if they fail, they should go.
No party should stay in power by fooling the public.
We have to think, do we voters really get what democracy means?

 

[ava333]

直接跟你说吧，保守党选党领的时候是保守党的党员选。但是保守党的党员不等于有投票权的公民。

我就认识好几个保守党的党员，但是只有绿卡（而且明确表示不会入藉）….我就想说你们大选投票权都没有，这不是搞笑吗？

但是这并不妨碍他们在各个群鼓励大家选保守党。

所有党派都一样情况，普遍现象，不独保守党

 

[JClub]

This isn’t about PP, Carney, or left vs. right.
It’s about democracy: fail and step down. Don’t deliver, get voted out.

general election，全民投票，Liberal got voted in.

Canada’s been sliding for a decade. Trudeau’s fall says it all—he lost the people.
If a failing party can keep power by spinning stories, why bother with elections? -----That’s one-party rule.

根据 Elections Canada, 投票率 68.65%，很多人没投票，自己身边就有，不喜欢任何一个政党。

Doesn’t matter which party—Liberal, Conservative, NDP—if they fail, they should go.
No party should stay in power by fooling the public.

如何 fool the public?

We have to think, do we voters really get what democracy means?

如果全民投票不够好，有哪些更好的方式来实施democracy？

 

[茶马盐铁]

 

[ottawa_tj]

This isn’t about PP, Carney, or left vs. right.
It’s about democracy: fail and step down. Don’t deliver, get voted out.
Canada’s been sliding for a decade. Trudeau’s fall says it all—he lost the people.
If a failing party can keep power by spinning stories, why bother with elections? -----That’s one-party rule.
Doesn’t matter which party—Liberal, Conservative, NDP—if they fail, they should go.
No party should stay in power by fooling the public.
We have to think, do we voters really get what democracy means?

因果关系反了；“if they fail, they should go.”
应该是只有被voted out了，才算fail。fail or not只有选民用选票说了算。

你的这些言论无非就是认为广大群众不够聪明智慧，把选举结果搞成了与你的意愿相反的结果。。。
其实这才是民主的真谛，让各式各样各个阶层的人参与，不让“精英”们左右结果（trump两次当选就证明了这一点）

Trudeau让人失望，没错，有polling证明。。。卡尼给了人希望，选举结果证明。

 

[ASSISTANT]

因果关系反了；“if they fail, they should go.”
应该是只有被voted out了，才算fail。fail or not只有选民用选票说了算。

你的这些言论无非就是认为广大群众不够聪明智慧，把选举结果搞成了与你的意愿相反的结果。。。
其实这才是民主的真谛，让各式各样各个阶层的人参与，不让“精英”们左右结果（trump两次当选就证明了这一点）

Trudeau让人失望，没错，有polling证明。。。卡尼给了人希望，选举结果证明。

做人要厚道。都结束了，还不让人家抱怨几句

 

[YaoDian]

吐些酸水有利于健康

做人要厚道。都结束了，还不让人家抱怨几句

但是像CFC里的一些人，就是担心他们造成酸水泛滥，污染环境

 

[ASSISTANT]

吐些酸水有利于健康

但是像CFC里的一些人，就是担心他们造成酸水泛滥，污染环境

关系，气质，经历，背景，学术，城府，团队，碾压。这点自信都看得出。pp留下对自由党只有好处

 

[ava333]

general election，全民投票，Liberal got voted in.


根据 Elections Canada, 投票率 68.65%，很多人没投票，自己身边就有，不喜欢任何一个政党。


如何 fool the public?


如果全民投票不够好，有哪些更好的方式来实施democracy？

Democracy 的体现不光光是有权投票这一个标准来衡量。人民是否过得安逸，freedom of speech, freedom of rights等，可是在自由党连任得得这些年，他们可有让人民的生活品质提升？是否听取民众的不满（接受难民，犯罪率提升，drug 控制等）？自由党种种决策和失策都让人民walk on thin ice。自由党口口声声说 Lets make Canada great again，承诺在哪里？前任prime minster如同懦夫一样滚蛋了，而就在不久前Carney 出来，嘴巴上说说自己的plan，make promises (again 再一次的），人民就开始被转移问题所在。It's easy to fool the public, because we love hearing sugar-coated words and empty promises。而投票结果已经给了答案，人民再一次投给了自由党。人民没有意识到人民选举真正的意义是什么？人民现在的想法就是，“只要leader变了就好，党不重要。上次是Tredeau，这次是Carney！” 也许后面变成Benny，Lisa都可以！这么说的话，那么没必要选举，一党制就好了。

 

[ava333]

因果关系反了；“if they fail, they should go.”
应该是只有被voted out了，才算fail。fail or not只有选民用选票说了算。

你的这些言论无非就是认为广大群众不够聪明智慧，把选举结果搞成了与你的意愿相反的结果。。。
其实这才是民主的真谛，让各式各样各个阶层的人参与，不让“精英”们左右结果（trump两次当选就证明了这一点）

Trudeau让人失望，没错，有polling证明。。。卡尼给了人希望，选举结果证明。

也许是理解不同，这里的fail是指自由党fail了人民的期望，fail了国家的发展。Vote out 不等于fail，被选上也不等于success。从民主选举来说，这是一个失败。

你说：“你的这些言论无非就是认为广大群众不够聪明智慧，把选举结果搞成了与你的意愿相反的结果。”
与我的意愿相反不是重点，但广大的群众不够聪明智慧倒是真的。一个失败的党，仍然继续支持，让它当选。这是一个聪明智慧的表现吗？例如，有人被骗了一次，第二次他同样相信了，只不过这次是骗人的同伙，你认为这个人聪明吗？