加拿大总理将会晤达赖 引起大的争议

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【万维读者网】尽管中国政府已经发出了警告，但加拿大总理保罗・马丁仍然决定会晤下星期即将到访加拿大的西藏流亡精神领袖达赖喇嘛。
会晤只谈宗教问题

美国之音报道，加拿大总理马丁的办公室星期一下午宣布，马丁已经决定，在下星期西藏流亡精神领袖达赖喇嘛访问加拿大期间将会与他举行单独会晤。这项由马丁的发言人拉居宣布的决定说，马丁将只同达赖喇嘛讨论宗教议题，而不涉及政治议题，会晤的时间和地点还有待于最后确定。

首位会晤达赖喇嘛的加总理

达赖喇嘛预计在4月19日到5月5日期间对加拿大进行宗教访问，他将先后到访加拿大的温哥华、渥太华和多伦多三个城市。达赖喇嘛上一次访问加拿大是在1993年，当时的加拿大总理克雷蒂安没有同他会晤；克雷蒂安的前任、保守党总理马尔罗尼也没有会晤过达赖喇嘛，马丁将成为与达赖喇嘛会晤的第一位加拿大总理。

藏人社区表示欢迎

加拿大的西藏人社区对马丁的决定表示欢迎。加拿大西藏人委员会发言人杜尔卡说：“作为加拿大的藏人，我们为加拿大总理将会晤达赖喇嘛感到高兴。但另一方面，总理用这么长的时间才最后作出决定，这说明他在这一问题上面临很大压力。”

分析：中国表态不明智

上星期，中国驻加拿大大使馆曾发表声明呼吁加拿大总理及所有政府官员不要会晤达赖喇嘛，声明并警告说，任何这样的会晤都将会严重损害两国关系。一名中国大使馆的高级官员更向加拿大媒体表示，加拿大总理要想保持两国良好的贸易关系就应彻底打消会晤达赖喇嘛的念头。这一表态曾引起一些加拿大国会议员的不满，他们认为加拿大不应该按照中国的意愿行事。

加拿大里贾纳大学中国问题专家朱毓朝博士认为，是中国官方的不明智表态促使马丁决定会见达赖喇嘛。朱毓朝说：“如果当时中国政府不把这个问题说得这么绝，我想马丁可能还会犹豫。这样说了之后，等于是给加拿大政府一个挑战，而且马丁正处于名望比较低、各方面都受到很大压力、并正在考虑大选的情况下，所以马丁一定要在这些代表加拿大价值观的方面表现出他的独立性。”

分析：不应影响两国关系大局

朱毓朝认为，中国把达赖喇嘛视为是分裂中国的政治人物，加拿大则把曾获得诺贝尔和平奖的达赖喇嘛作为著名的宗教领袖，双方的角度明显不同。他相信，加中关系会因此出现一些波折，但不会影响大局。朱毓朝说：“我觉得两国关系还会是正常的走向，因为彼此之间没有象台湾问题这类大问题。所以，我觉得现在这个小的插曲，如果双方处理得当，还是可以过去的。”

在此之前，包括加拿大司法部长在内的一百六十一位国会议员曾联名呼吁加拿大总理马丁会晤达赖喇嘛，并在达赖喇嘛和中国政府之间扮演积极的角色。目前，中国是加拿大的第四大贸易夥伴，加拿大是中国的第十大贸易夥伴，两国的双边贸易额为每年约两百亿元。

 

[Rigel]

强烈支持！

 

[X.1]

这小子才当几天就这么不要命？

 

[godpa]

中加每年的贸易额业也就中美贸易赤字的一半。无足轻重。由她去吧,看最后谁倒霉。

 

[Bonny]

stupid Paul Martin!

 

[FallColor]

经济贸易，压力,强权, 大于一切?
加拿大连美国的帐都不买在Iraq问题上,凭什么买中国帐?
That's what I love about Canada, that's what makes Canada one of the best country in the world!
I love my homeland China because that's where I come from, but that doesn't mean everything about it is right.
Patriotism is not everything....how about free will? democracy? understanding? tolerant?
在加拿大,魁北克要分离，加拿大不会阻止，因为加拿大有Referendum. 这就叫民主!

 

[带刀蚂蚁]

中国有句俗话叫：骑驴看帐本，咱走着瞧。

 

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最初由 FallColor 发布
经济贸易，压力,强权, 大于一切?
加拿大连美国的帐都不买在Iraq问题上,凭什么买中国帐?
That's what I love about Canada, that's what makes Canada one of the best country in the world!
I love my homeland China because that's where I come from, but that doesn't mean everything about it is right.
Patriotism is not everything....how about free will? democracy? understanding? tolerant?
在加拿大,魁北克要分离，加拿大不会阻止，因为加拿大有Referendum. 这就叫民主!

请注意，加拿大在伊拉克问题上不和美国合作，当时的加拿大总理是克雷蒂安，而不是亲美的马丁。如果伊拉克战争是在马丁上台后发生的话，马丁第一个支持出兵！还说不买美国的帐？
还有，魁北克问题和台湾问题的历史背景是不同的，加中两国的实际情况也不一样，这和民不民主没关系！
还有，Democracy is not everything!

 

[cocoa]

加拿大出兵有何好处？不懂

 

[FallColor]

最初由 JBL 发布


请注意，加拿大在伊拉克问题上不和美国合作，当时的加拿大总理是克雷蒂安，而不是亲美的马丁。如果伊拉克战争是在马丁上台后发生的话，马丁第一个支持出兵！还说不买美国的帐？
还有，魁北克问题和台湾问题的历史背景是不同的，加中两国的实际情况也不一样，这和民不民主没关系！
还有，Democracy is not everything!

仁兄有所不知，马丁也反战的
To me democracy makes more sense than patriotism.
盲目的爱国主义是很多黑暗的政治家最喜欢利用的武器。看看美国就知道，布什打伊拉克就是满口的爱国主义，打着爱国主义的旗帜
Look at all of the wars in the world, which one isn't in the name of Patriotism?
如果人类将爱国主义变成爱国际主义，爱人类主义，这世界就不会再有战争

 

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看来作为世界民主典范的美国，也会用爱国这招。

 

[toisanlao]

最初由 FallColor 发布

仁兄有所不知，马丁也反战的

This is non-sense. Paul Martin supported the American invasion in Iraq. He is more pro-US than our former PM Brian Mulroney. G. Bush is seeing Martin in his oval office next week while he refused to meet Chretien at all!

To me democracy makes more sense than patriotism.

Democracy and patriotism are not mutually exclusive. Look at the Americans, have you found another people any more patriotic? They have more flags waiving in their country than any others. Heck, they even passed a law called Patriot Act.

盲目的爱国主义是很多黑暗的政治家最喜欢利用的武器。看看美国就知道，布什打伊拉克就是满口的爱国主义，打着爱国主义的旗帜

Totally agreed! You just refuted your own statement above, my friend.

Look at all of the wars in the world, which one isn't in the name of Patriotism?

I will name you some wars that were not started because of patriotism:
1) US invasion of Iraq - fight for control of oil
2) US invasion of Afghanistan - fight terrorism
3) US invasion of Vietnam - fight of idiologies
4) US invasion of Korea - fight of idiologies.
etc. etc...

Actually most of the wars had nothing to do with patriotism, mostly with either religions or control of wealth (in the name of demacrcies, etc).

如果人类将爱国主义变成爱国际主义，爱人类主义，这世界就不会再有战争

We call that an Utopia, or wait, is it communism?

 

[toisanlao]

Guys, have you ever thought that perhaps the Chinese government really wanted 达赖 to meet with Martin? By putting out stern warnings last week pretty much pushed Martin into a corner of no backing off without looking like a lame duck. If Chinese government really wants to get something done, it always does it behind closed doors.

So what does the meeting get China? China now has even more reasons to brand 达赖 as a separatist and therefore, notworthy of negotiating with. 达赖 will have no chance at all ever returning to Tibet because the Chinese government has more evidences (the meeting with foreign heads)that 达赖 has a political agenda. The danger for the Chinese government if 达赖 ever returns to Tibet is that he would always stir up the pot from within. This could be really dangerous for the stabilities of the region.

 

[太太]

最初由 JBL 发布
看来作为世界民主典范的美国，也会用爱国这招。

论典范,

美国是比较差的,典范应该是加拿大和法国!


中国就喜欢和比较差的比!!!

 

[FallColor]

最初由 toisanlao 发布


This is non-sense. Paul Martin supported the American invasion in Iraq. He is more pro-US than our former PM Brian Mulroney. G. Bush is seeing Martin in his oval office next week while he refused to meet Chretien at all!



Democracy and patriotism are not mutually exclusive. Look at the Americans, have you found another people any more patriotic? They have more flags waiving in their country than any others. Heck, they even passed a law called Patriot Act.



Totally agreed! You just refuted your own statement above, my friend.



I will name you some wars that were not started because of patriotism:
1) US invasion of Iraq - fight for control of oil
2) US invasion of Afghanistan - fight terrorism
3) US invasion of Vietnam - fight of idiologies
4) US invasion of Korea - fight of idiologies.
etc. etc...

Actually most of the wars had nothing to do with patriotism, mostly with either religions or control of wealth (in the name of demacrcies, etc).



We call that an Utopia, or wait, is it communism?

Oh, my God! you don't read news and certainly don't read Martin's words. He said himself he doesn't support the war-from his own mouth! Don't support the war and maintaining friendship and trade with U.S are two different things!!! Canada doesn't messed these two! -Got it! Just like China, it doesn't support the war but it still do business with China.

You really don't understand what I was saying.
I did not say Democracy and patriotism are mutually exclusive. They certainly aren't. But sometimes, so called "Patriotism" does get into the way of democracy. And I certainly agreed that the American is very patriotic. That's exactly my point!!!! Bush used and promoted and twisted it to his advance his own interestes!

Man! do you really know/understand exactly what this phase mean " IN THE NAME OF" if you really do you won't argue with me.

oh, man! have you ever heard or Bush said" we invaded Iraq to fight for control of oil" ???? No, he basically telling the American people"we rid of the evil in the world to make America a safe place...bla..bla.."
Why U.S fight for ideologies???-because they think their ideology is the best in the whole wild world!!!- in other word-blinded/overheated patriotism!

you are arguing for the sake of arguing.