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The current visit of the Dalai Lama to Canada is well underway. At the grandiose spiritual meetings with Hollywood style fan-fare, he spreads his message of peace and freedom. But now his political agenda has become clear. We should have seen this coming. This, after all, is what he always does ? no, I am just a monk, he insists. Yes, I will talk about politics if you want to.

The truth about Tibet history and reality has never been as simple as the Dalai Lama and his followers try to project to the global audience. For instance, “Tibet independence” and “increasing Tibet autonomy” are vague ideas that most Canadians are ill informed of. What is their vision for Tibet society? Democracy? Theocracy? Or Dictatorship by the elites from Dharamsala? Very few people in Canada realize the sufferings "bestowed" by the Tibetan feudal theocracy upon the Tibetan people before the so-called Chinese invasion. Very few people know that under the feudal theocracy of the old Tibet, there was institutionalized serfdom. A sizable number of Tibetans were in fact serfs owned by serf owners. How many Tibetan serfs were mutilated and tortured? Of the brutalities of the Tibet feudal serfdom, the theocratic establishment was an integral part.

The Dalai Lama has little hesitation in using the phrase "cultural genocide" to describe the current situation in Tibet, even though he has little first hand knowledge of the reality in Tibet. According to the year 2000 census, the population in Tibet has increased from 996,300 in 1950 to 2,616,300 in 2000; 92.2% (2,411,100) of the population is Tibetan in ethnic origin, 5.9% (155,300) Han Chinese, and 1.9% (49,000) other ethnic groups. The life expectancy for Tibetans is now 65, as compared with 36 in 1950 ("China's Tibet" By ZHONG, Zhang-wei, 2001). By spreading the myth of the “cultural genocide,” he is ignoring the history of the last two hundred year of the Americas. He must be in the belief that the presence of the Tibet exile population has little impact on the population and cultural make-up of Dharamsala and the surrounding areas. Since the 1950s, the Tibetan exile population in that mountainous city has steadily increased to more than 100,000 today. The presence of such a large foreign population has changed completely the local social and political landscape.

Nowadays the Dalai Lama claims that he has abandoned his Tibet separatist past. In the past, his extensive dealings with many organizations hostile to the new Chinese government were far from noble. Under the fuzzy pretence of fighting for "Tibet freedom." The purpose of those co-operations on the surface took the guise of freedom fighting, but the real design behind the co-operations was to fit the Tibet independence movement into the strategic blockade of China, which lasted for more than two decades. Those blockades caused tremendous economical hardship and aimed to deprive basic necessities for a nation and its citizens to survive. Combined with the internal disasters in China, those blockades caused untold sufferings of the Chinese people. Was the Dalai Lama thinking about peace and human rights when he supported and indirectly contributed to those blockades?

It is issues like these, and many others, that clearly demonstrate the dubious nature of the phrases of “cultural genocide” and “human right for Tibet”. For the Dalai Lama, we should not only hear what he preaches, but also examine what he did and does.

Fuhu Wang
 
Rewrote the article posted earlier. Trying to send to the Citizen as a letter to the editor.
 
最初由 hifuhu 发布
Rewrote the article posted earlier. Trying to send to the Citizen as a letter to the editor.

Well written, finally something intelligent, instead of the dog fights in this little chinese circle.
 
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Well written, finally something intelligent, instead of the dog fights in this little chinese circle.

这里的网管呀, 帮主什么的, 把这篇好文置顶吧!
 
前天,刚和一个加拿大同事争论完。他们对西藏历史和现状并不了解,他们得到的信息是从西方媒体上得到的,而那些信息是片面的。在这方面中国政府作得不够,只是抗议,并没有把有关西藏的真实情况,达赖喇嘛的复杂身份,让世界(至少是普通的西方人)了解。给人的印象是蛮不讲理。达赖喇嘛因此获取了不少同情心。
 
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最初由 Pacific 发布
前天,刚和一个加拿大同事争论完。他们对西藏历史和现状并不了解,他们得到的信息是从西方媒体上得到的,而那些信息是片面的。在这方面中国政府作得不够,只是抗议,并没有把有关西藏的真实情况,达赖喇嘛的复杂身份,让世界(至少是普通的西方人)了解。给人的印象是蛮不讲理。达赖喇嘛因此获取了不少同情心。

Exactly. Not only general westerners, we are also not quite clear about Tibetan history. Protest should be based on concrete evidence.

Fuhu, you did a good job. Did you send the letter to Citizen?
 
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最初由 Pacific 发布
前天,刚和一个加拿大同事争论完。他们对西藏历史和现状并不了解,他们得到的信息是从西方媒体上得到的,而那些信息是片面的。在这方面中国政府作得不够,只是抗议,并没有把有关西藏的真实情况,达赖喇嘛的复杂身份,让世界(至少是普通的西方人)了解。给人的印象是蛮不讲理。达赖喇嘛因此获取了不少同情心。


澄清一点:

西方社会就一个整体来说,(不谈小团体的,个人的,零散的西方人),以美英为首的西方国家(尤其是其领导阶层,执政阶层和专家学者等等)对西藏的历史和现状是非常清楚的,并不是不清楚、受蒙蔽;他们清楚什么呢?

1. 他们很清楚:西藏是中国版图内一块不是那么稳固的区域,要分裂中国,第一是台湾,第二就是西藏。

2. 他们很清楚:西藏是一块蕴涵巨大宝藏,含有深厚发展潜力的地区,地域辽阔,资源不少,人口稀少。西藏这块土地对于中国实现现代化,强国富民,可持续发展有着不可估量的意义。

3. 他们很清楚:在西藏做文章,如果能够把西藏从中国版图中分裂出去,对于削弱中国、遏止中国崛起是一大功。

中国是世界的大国,是最大的发展中国家,人口众多,历史悠久,有相当的国力;在文化、宗教、历史等等方面其中最关键是战略利益方面和西方国家绝对是走不到一条线上的,是对立的,是矛盾的另一方,这个事实是不以人们意志和喜好而转移的。

其实,都不用谈文化宗教历史或者意识形态,在这个世界上,只要你是大块头的,另外一个或几个大块头就不会善意地瞅你。俗话说:“一山不容二虎”,就不要说“多虎”了。北约和欧盟东扩已经到了俄罗斯家门口了,扩这个东西干啥?因为俄罗斯是世界上著名的大块头,疆域极其辽阔,地大物博,人口一亿多,力量相当强。而欧盟内部的德国和法国也是世界上的大块头,他们心里也很清楚:美国最终是不会放过他们的(当然是在中国和俄罗斯之后),所以在日常生活中大家也可以看到在大事上德法和美国常常闹别扭。

总之,一句话:“搞西藏独立,做西藏文章”是西方国家对中国的基本国策之一。达赖这个西藏宗教领袖正是这个大策略形成和实施的一大条件。新疆缺了个达赖,所以想做新疆文章一时都找不到下笔的地方。

西方人对于西藏的文化、宗教、风俗,历史,和生活方式真的那么关心么?说句实话,他们才不care呢,那个地方和他们八竿子打不着,除了少数人有兴趣去旅游登山以外,对于绝大多数人来说西藏只是一个遥远神秘的地方,嘴上喊着“中国把西藏文化大绝灭”、“保护西藏文化传统”、“提高西藏自治程度”“维护宗教自由”......其实都是胡扯,其实质就是一条---这个事情上不给你捣点乱不符合我的根本利益。

所以,对于单个的鬼佬朋友或同事,可以谈,可以辩,但是意义不大。因为成千上万个鬼佬聚合起来成了国家,选了政府,那政策可就不是你能够说的通、辩得清的了。说到底,还是要靠实力说话,就象《终结者-3》里面施瓦辛格的一句台词:“Talk to the hand”(跟我的拳头说话)
 
给一点材料,大部分给网友看,楼主不一定要用。

1.在前几年CNN的一个节目里,主持人问达赖说别人把你当活着的神你自己怎么看(大意),面对西方观众,达赖说那种想法是荒唐的,我是一个普通的佛教和尚。但是这个普通佛教和尚,在班禅转世灵童的寻找上却成了西藏人心目中具有神性的活佛。所以现在有两个转世的班禅,一个是老班禅的人马找的被中国政府认可的,另外一个是达赖喇嘛找的。达赖在他的追随者和在具有现代观念的西方观众面前有两副面孔,这是俺第一次发现达赖是个不诚实的人。

2.在一个讨论邪教的专题节目中(不记得是那个台),放到日本“奥姆真理教”部分,提到教主麻原彰晃曾到印度会见过达赖喇嘛。达赖否认有这回事,但是他们的会见被录了象,电视上反映了一遍。

3.在50年代CIA曾经训练过西藏游击队,用现在的话说就是恐怖分子。俺曾经见过达赖喇嘛在吉普车上检阅恐怖分子的照片,国外也出版过关于CIA援助西藏的
书籍。以下的内容选自德国的网页 http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Part-2-09.htm#CIA
Another statement, which can be read in the biography, The Last Dalai Lama by Michael Harris Goodman, shows even more clearly the god-king’s two-facedness concerning nonviolence: “In [the message]", he is supposed to have said, “I called the guerillas 'reactionaries', stated that the Tibetan people should not support them. At the same time the delegation was instructed to tell the guerillas to keep on fighting. We spoke in two tongues, the official and the unofficial. Officially we regarded their act as rebellion, and unofficially we regard them as heroes and told them so” (Goodman, 1986, p. 271).

4.在中国任何少数民族包括藏族不受严格的计划生育控制,但是汉族只能生一胎,中央历年来向西藏提供了巨额的经济援助。这些西方人很少有人提及。

5.西方媒体提到文革中寺庙及古迹被毁,从来不说是藏族红卫兵在那个时代干下的蠢事,给人印象是汉族人有意要消灭西藏文化。

俺认为达赖是个称职的公关活动家,他成功地使大部分的西方人对于西藏的看法都相信了达赖流亡集团单方面的说法。
 
Thank you all for providing the additional information! Very much appreciated! As for the Citizen, I found a reporter who would try to get the letter published. I also got the impression that the paper may do a follow up report about the Dalai Lama. Some of the information published in the Citizen in the last a couple of days was obviously wrong. They are now aware of that now.

If I need more material, I will definately come here to ask you folks for help!

Cheers!
 
新华社怎么不到美国宣传呢?
 
最初由 无业游民 发布
给一点材料,大部分给网友看,楼主不一定要用。

1.在前几年CNN的一个节目里,主持人问达赖说别人把你当活着的神你自己怎么看(大意),面对西方观众,达赖说那种想法是荒唐的,我是一个普通的佛教和尚。但是这个普通佛教和尚,在班禅转世灵童的寻找上却成了西藏人心目中具有神性的活佛。所以现在有两个转世的班禅,一个是老班禅的人马找的被中国政府认可的,另外一个是达赖喇嘛找的。达赖在他的追随者和在具有现代观念的西方观众面前有两副面孔,这是俺第一次发现达赖是个不诚实的人。

2.在一个讨论邪教的专题节目中(不记得是那个台),放到日本“奥姆真理教”部分,提到教主麻原彰晃曾到印度会见过达赖喇嘛。达赖否认有这回事,但是他们的会见被录了象,电视上反映了一遍。

3.在50年代CIA曾经训练过西藏游击队,用现在的话说就是恐怖分子。俺曾经见过达赖喇嘛在吉普车上检阅恐怖分子的照片,国外也出版过关于CIA援助西藏的
书籍。以下的内容选自德国的网页 http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Part-2-09.htm#CIA
Another statement, which can be read in the biography, The Last Dalai Lama by Michael Harris Goodman, shows even more clearly the god-king’s two-facedness concerning nonviolence: “In [the message]", he is supposed to have said, “I called the guerillas 'reactionaries', stated that the Tibetan people should not support them. At the same time the delegation was instructed to tell the guerillas to keep on fighting. We spoke in two tongues, the official and the unofficial. Officially we regarded their act as rebellion, and unofficially we regard them as heroes and told them so” (Goodman, 1986, p. 271).

4.在中国任何少数民族包括藏族不受严格的计划生育控制,但是汉族只能生一胎,中央历年来向西藏提供了巨额的经济援助。这些西方人很少有人提及。

5.西方媒体提到文革中寺庙及古迹被毁,从来不说是藏族红卫兵在那个时代干下的蠢事,给人印象是汉族人有意要消灭西藏文化。

俺认为达赖是个称职的公关活动家,他成功地使大部分的西方人对于西藏的看法都相信了达赖流亡集团单方面的说法。

忍不住出来称赞一句:扎实。你的小史料我藏起来了。
 
最初由 无业游民 发布
俺认为达赖是个称职的公关活动家,他成功地使大部分的西方人对于西藏的看法都相信了达赖流亡集团单方面的说法。

应该说达赖是个称职的公关代言人,他“被”成功地让大部分西方人相信了他们自己固有的想法,所谓请外来的和尚,念的不过是自己的经,比自己说自己好,来得隐晦一些罢了,哪里经得起无老的火眼金睛,更让大家相视而笑了。
 
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