精华 [闲聊] Conceptual Art

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最初由 开喜 发布
有意思, 哪里有个题目, 哪里就有wuwei和兰婷在, 而且两人意见准不一致. 要不是你们两人距离十万八千里, 我真以为小女人爱上老男人 (或者老男人爱上小女人) le .
这不过只能证明我们两个最近都是大闲人而已。开喜JJ看看最近的帖子,哪个里面没有我的回帖?
另外,我有时比较喜欢抬杠,喜欢把别人“气”得“吹胡子瞪眼”的时候自己躲在角落里偷笑;):D
不过那都是善意的,无关痛痒的玩笑哦。。。:o
最初由 开喜 发布
兰MM, 这次我要同意wuwei的话,

"要做自己想做的,首先要知道自己想做什么,要知道自己想做什么,首先要知道自己是什么样的人。

换句话也可以说,'真正的艺术家'是有话要说而'艺术'的,如果仅仅是有'艺术的能力'而'艺术'无非是抄别人或者抄自己而已,还有什么impact。"
哎,冤枉啊,为什么世间的人都要误解我啊。看来我说话的风格是够“新新人类”的。
正是因为在这点上我完全同意他的看法,才会说: “哎,不要逼我再累累地给你树杆儿好不? :smokin:”
我是想说,“不要逼我夸你,再给你机会顺杆儿爬好不?:smokin:”
说正经的,wuwei和渐渐在此贴里的探讨真的让人收益非浅。。。:thanks::thanks::thanks:
 
When do you come to Ottawa?

最初由 wuwei 发布

还是别说这些了,留以后有机会喝酒再聊吧。
 
En I had to read a few times and took the time to think about what you just said before I could respond to it.

I think the central theme in conceptual arts is the emphasis on idea rather than on the actual representation. It was certainly a switch of focus at the time, revolutionary if not more. And to simplify the understanding of this idea of "concept", Kosuth used a photograph of chair to demonstrate the TRANSITION from an actual chair to the dictioanry definition. The object is no longer the focus, but the idea behind it is.

Like anything else, art is a continuously evolving matter. Just as Dada came out because some artists got so sick of the bourgeoisie. Imagine the the shocking effect of Duchamp's Fontaine on the bourgeois at the time...hehe I thought it was brilliant, and really funny. Duchamp said it in 1912 that "La peinture est morte" (The painting is dead), and out came Dada, minimalism and conceptual arts.

About “美”, hmm I think I know where you are going with it, but just want to clarify it even further. “美” can be narrow and it can be generalized. We all know what “美” is in the narrow sense, but can you define what “美” is in the generalized sense? Is fresh air beautiful? Are babies beautiful? Can you not say that compassion is beautiful?

Wuwei said it, arts in its extreme case become the study of philosophy, but what isn't? Newton in his late years became very interested in studying spirituality; René Descartes was a mathematician but his philosophy had even greater impact on man-kind.

最初由 ann miao 发布

纯粹的艺术就是一个“美”字,概念艺术本身就是一种形式,用艺术的形式表达某个概念。现在的多元化导致人们再无法达到或超越前人的绘画水平,更多的社会问题让每个人深思,所以艺术也随之改变传统的绘画形式,加入了概念。一种东西发展到顶峰,必定会衰败,一种东西的衰败,必定会产生新的东西。
 
最初由 渐渐 发布
En I had to read a few times and took the time to think about what you just said before I could respond to it.

I think the central theme in conceptual arts is the emphasis on idea rather than on the actual representation. It was certainly a switch of focus at the time, revolutionary if not more. And to simplify the understanding of this idea of "concept", Kosuth used a photograph of chair to demonstrate the TRANSITION from an actual chair to the dictioanry definition. The object is no longer the focus, but the idea behind it is.

Like anything else, art is a continuously evolving matter. Just as Dada came out because some artists got so sick of the bourgeoisie. Imagine the the shocking effect of Duchamp's Fontaine on the bourgeois at the time...hehe I thought it was brilliant, and really funny. Duchamp said it in 1912 that "La peinture est morte" (The painting is dead), and out came Dada, minimalism and conceptual arts.

About “美”, hmm I think I know where you are going with it, but just want to clarify it even further. “美” can be narrow and it can be generalized. We all know what “美” is in the narrow sense, but can you define what “美” is in the generalized sense? Is fresh air beautiful? Are babies beautiful? Can you not say that compassion is beautiful?

Wuwei said it, arts in its extreme case become the study of philosophy, but what isn't? Newton in his late years became very interested in studying spirituality; René Descartes was a mathematician but his philosophy had even greater impact on man-kind.

关于美,我无法下定义的,只是自己的理解,就是让人看着舒服的是视觉上的.概念艺术中文那段都读不太懂~更不用说英文那段了~~!
我想概念艺术更注重哲学方面的,就本人而言更喜欢艺术性浓有带着作者本人的思想的艺术,像是小说,散文,诗,议论文,是体会作者的感情,所以人们喜欢的大多是与自己的感情有共鸣的.而概念艺术更像是说明文,阐述哲学观点.
小说下哲学,我觉得哲学就是最简单的原理的东西.觉得有时人的愚蠢就在于过于复杂,不断追求复杂,繁忙与那些复杂的变化中,其实什么改变,正确的原理也是不变的.形式也是必要的,是帮助人们更深入的了解事物.有些人人为了解更复杂的事物就是更深入了解了,其实能吧复杂的变的简单,了解原理才是更深入的了解.细胞都有核,动物都有大脑,电脑也要主机,如果说所有一切运动中的都一定有核心的话,我想宇宙也是一定有核心的.我想哲学是人类思想的核心.
说回概念艺术,更多的是想人们展示哲学,可又称之为艺术,什么是艺术?我想这里的艺术一词只的是这种形式吧.
以上只是随便说说~~其实很多东西我都不懂,看的书也不多~~很多东西是用语言无法表达的~~
 
那你肯定喜欢梵高了?他是个能一下子深入到你内心深处的画家,连签名都非常个人化 - Vincent,仅此而已。他也是我非常喜爱的画家。

艺术应该表现美,一点不错,但是美的表现形式又是多种多样的,每个人对于美的概念也不同。我理解的概念艺术其实是教人从另一个角度去看事物:去其糟粕,取其精华。但是这些概念艺术家其实也没有完全脱离形式,所以还是需要借用一幅椅子的照片来讲述从椅子本身到椅子定义的过渡。

前面我也说了,我认为形式还是重要的,但不可将重点放在形式上。形式不过是作者阐述自身思想的手段。没有思想,形式也就失去了存在的意义。所以Ansel Adams说:“没有比描述一个模糊概念的精彩绝伦的图片更糟糕的事了“。行行相通,皆因最终道理相通。
 
最初由 渐渐 发布
那你肯定喜欢梵高了?他是个能一下子深入到你内心深处的画家,连签名都非常个人化 - Vincent,仅此而已。他也是我非常喜爱的画家。

艺术应该表现美,一点不错,但是美的表现形式又是多种多样的,每个人对于美的概念也不同。我理解的概念艺术其实是教人从另一个角度去看事物:去其糟粕,取其精华。但是这些概念艺术家其实也没有完全脱离形式,所以还是需要借用一幅椅子的照片来讲述从椅子本身到椅子定义的过渡。

前面我也说了,我认为形式还是重要的,但不可将重点放在形式上。形式不过是作者阐述自身思想的手段。没有思想,形式也就失去了存在的意义。所以Ansel Adams说:“没有比描述一个模糊概念的精彩绝伦的图片更糟糕的事了“。行行相通,皆因最终道理相通。
你一定看过很多书呢,总引用很多好的话~~!恩,比较客观的评论~~!支持!
 
最初由 渐渐 发布
When do you come to Ottawa?



这两个月可能不会了,不过6月份中国娃娃的毕业典礼我要去的。

说实话我没读过一本艺术理论的书,本身也不是做学问得料,在这里乱发海水不过是自身的粗浅的体会或者道听途说,说多了让人笑话,比如那句“世人皆梦你独醒”之类的。我们聊这些,我想本意是大家分享交流,或者胡砍,别人可以解读为卖弄,我也不敢说绝对不是,既然是人就不可能绝对“纯”。

记得64前北京有一个美展,我从杂志看到报道说整个美术馆贝黑布包起来,作品有猪仔身上印有人们看不懂文字的“天书”,柏林墙砖头,据说还有人开了枪。。。。美术馆外面有一个大大美展标志,是一个不许U turn的交通符号,觉得很有意思。

人们表达自己的想法有多种多样,比如一个人喜欢二手旧衣,说好听点叫vintage,一身artsy look来表达他的一点生活态度。

好像在这里有人说过干嘛不弄一本标准manual来作为总教科书,但正如Glenn Vilppu 说的,没有规则,只有工具。我们往往在自以为找到制胜法宝的时候栽跟斗。
 
一直在关注这个贴子,只是不太敢发言,为了藏拙:)
严重同意渐渐的观念,艺术,不管什么艺术,可能在形式上高于生活,但从本质而言,一定是源于生活的,那些五花八门的流派,只是折射不同的人群的不同生活层面吧。我部分赞同“存在主义”哲学,认为存在的东西一定有其合理的一面。所以能从我原本不懂的东东里学到些些真谛,那真是快事啊。

喜欢此贴,就如同喜欢这个坛子的氛围,带着自己的思想与心得同朋友们分享,然后一起在娱乐中提高。当然,还能从字里行间看到不同的人的性格,或率真,或宽容,或聪敏,或单纯,很是开心。谢谢渐渐
 
最初由 渐渐 发布
那你肯定喜欢梵高了?他是个能一下子深入到你内心深处的画家,连签名都非常个人化 - Vincent,仅此而已。他也是我非常喜爱的画家。
[MUSIC]http://wwww.n168.com/newmusic/000209/2.wma[/MUSIC]

万一不能听就去下,多试几次,链接是有效的。Vincent
 
Re: 你怎么知道这是我的最爱

最初由 我亦有亭 发布
:kiss2:
哈哈~~~哈哈哈哈~~哈哈哈哈哈哈~~~
 
wuwei: Don't be too modest, I'm always very impressed with your talent, and you have such a unique view angle.

我亦有亭: You humbled me. :blowzy: I actually don't know much about anything. What's great about this forum is that it offers a place to share ideas, sometimes even fuzzy ones, without getting laughed at. :)

兰婷: Is that Vincent (Starry Starry Night)? I can't listen to songs here, but will when I get home. Don McLean's Vincent was very very beautiful, I bought a whole CD just because of this one song.
 
最初由 渐渐 发布
兰婷: Is that Vincent (Starry Starry Night)? I can't listen to songs here, but will when I get home. Don McLean's Vincent was very very beautiful, I bought a whole CD just because of this one song.
Sure it is THE SONG. 自从从大学第一次听到,我就不可救药地爱上了它。。。:love: :love: :love:
我唱得还不错呢,就是不知道该怎么录音。。。:( :crying:
 
Re: 你怎么知道这是我的最爱

最初由 我亦有亭 发布
:kiss2:
还不是因为我是你的贴心小马甲嘛。。。:kiss2: :smoke:
 
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