意大利的冠军有可能被取消【德《镜报》】[转贴]

不敢苟同

不管人家给你多少钱,给你多高的荣誉,人还是要讲原则。没有血性的男人还是男人吗?
 
Re: 不敢苟同

最初由 matthew lau 发布
不管人家给你多少钱,给你多高的荣誉,人还是要讲原则。没有血性的男人还是男人吗?
如果挨了骂,就动武动粗,才算血性男人,才能成为足球明星,那简直太容易了。中国足球队不必练什么技巧和体能。只要学会用各国语言骂娘就足以。英语,法语,日语,意大利语,西班牙语,土儿其语,阿拉伯语等。和哪国踢球,就用哪国语言骂娘。骂过三遍,对方是血性男儿,给你一头,或一拳,被裁判罚下。罚下一半对员,则不战自胜(FIFA规定每场球赛各方至少要有7名队员在场上,否则以弃权论。对方罚下5名,场上就不足7人了)。真要是这样,米卢也会佩服的五体投地,干拜为师。教练更应该是骂娘的专家。
作为男人,如果没有韩信跨下受辱的气量和涵养,是难成大业的。甚至到手的胜利也会丢失。
 
最初由 gdntfrank 发布

you can be a stupid jerk or a professional player. There is no excuse for whatever reason to act so stupidly.
It is not the first time Zidane lost his temper in the world cup. 8 years ago, he intentionally stepped on a Suadi Arab players for no reason and got the red card. He is banned until the final and scored 2 goals to beat Brazeil 3:0.
听起来齐达内每次犯规都得到了相应的处罚.不象有的人犯了规不单没事还被别人捧为大英雄.这才是 ridiculous.
最初由 gdntfrank 发布

Again, italy is also the victim, not just Zidane and france. He runied the whole match.
齐达内好象是在终场前十多分钟时被罚下场的,而在此之后比赛的激烈精彩程度并没有降低,因此谈何 ruined the whole match? 倒是因为齐达内的被骂进而奋力一顶使大家对意大利的胜利颇有微词而让意大利人和意迷们感到意本应完美的冠军赛被 ruined掉了.想来这也是为什么意大利人要扛着齐达内棺材去欢庆胜利的缘故…如果齐达内在场上仅仅是臭脾气发作无缘无故的去顶人而被罚下,意大利人和意迷们恐怕感激他还来不及呢.
最初由 gdntfrank 发布

I don't why people support Zidane. Football only, he is not playing a better football than Martelazi in this final. Martelaazi did everything in this match, he scored the goal and almost repeat it in another corner kick. He also scored the penalty. Zidane is no longer the best player. If he does not bear the name. he won't even caught your attention. You only see him when taking the panalty or losing the ball in the midfield. anyway, Italy deserve the cup for creating more real chances in the game.
本来不想谈齐达内的球技和意大利的水平,因为这些跟本次事件没有什么关系.但既然你在此多次提到意大利如何如何好齐达内如何如何差,咱也就跟着说两句.先说齐达内,咱不管其以前战果如何辉煌技术如何超群或者现在如何技术走下坡路徒有虚名,单看最后几场比赛恐怕很难说其在中场核心的地位是无足轻重的.而以其在决赛最后被红牌罚下的表现却依然能抱走金球奖足以说明他在本届杯赛中表现的出色.至于意大利队感觉其踢得最精彩的莫过于与德国队最后的争夺.加时赛的对攻让咱这非球迷也大呼过瘾.最终幸运之神眷顾了意大利人让他们先破门,其后再下一城是在人意料之中的,不过相信如果德国队先进球比分可能也是2:0.决赛时 意大利队在上一场比赛中所表现出的神勇已不在,下半场被法国队占据主动压着半场打,好容易攻到前场的球往往很轻易就被法国队断掉,以至于咱是直到最后罚点球时才真正看清法国队守门员长什么样. 当然法国队的进攻套路有限而且未能把握住几次破门良机.总的感觉进入前四强的德法意旗鼓相当,谁都有夺冠的实力.而如果说有齐达内的法国队可以和意大利队拼个势均力敌,那被人暗算除掉齐达内的法国队应该是实力略逊于意大利队才对,但在齐达内被罚下场后的十分钟里意大利队毫无建树反而依然让法国人在场上占据主动.从这点看意大利队好象又差了点意思.

齐达内已经向世人就自己的冲动道了歉,不管你认为他是愚蠢鲁莽如何的不可救药,他做了一个男人应该做的事.而马特拉奇呢?到现在还解释不清到底是骂了人家的妈,姐或老婆,还在为自己的劣行在狡辩.这种人居然还有人为他叫好真让人感到可悲.
 
最初由 flapjack_monkey 发布

听起来齐达内每次犯规都得到了相应的处罚.不象有的人犯了规不单没事还被别人捧为大英雄.这才是 ridiculous.

齐达内好象是在终场前十多分钟时被罚下场的,而在此之后比赛的激烈精彩程度并没有降低,因此谈何 ruined the whole match? 倒是因为齐达内的被骂进而奋力一顶使大家对意大利的胜利颇有微词而让意大利人和意迷们感到意本应完美的冠军赛被 ruined掉了.想来这也是为什么意大利人要扛着齐达内棺材去欢庆胜利的缘故…如果齐达内在场上仅仅是臭脾气发作无缘无故的去顶人而被罚下,意大利人和意迷们恐怕感激他还来不及呢.

本来不想谈齐达内的球技和意大利的水平,因为这些跟本次事件没有什么关系.但既然你在此多次提到意大利如何如何好齐达内如何如何差,咱也就跟着说两句.先说齐达内,咱不管其以前战果如何辉煌技术如何超群或者现在如何技术走下坡路徒有虚名,单看最后几场比赛恐怕很难说其在中场核心的地位是无足轻重的.而以其在决赛最后被红牌罚下的表现却依然能抱走金球奖足以说明他在本届杯赛中表现的出色.至于意大利队感觉其踢得最精彩的莫过于与德国队最后的争夺.加时赛的对攻让咱这非球迷也大呼过瘾.最终幸运之神眷顾了意大利人让他们先破门,其后再下一城是在人意料之中的,不过相信如果德国队先进球比分可能也是2:0.决赛时 意大利队在上一场比赛中所表现出的神勇已不在,下半场被法国队占据主动压着半场打,好容易攻到前场的球往往很轻易就被法国队断掉,以至于咱是直到最后罚点球时才真正看清法国队守门员长什么样. 当然法国队的进攻套路有限而且未能把握住几次破门良机.总的感觉进入前四强的德法意旗鼓相当,谁都有夺冠的实力.而如果说有齐达内的法国队可以和意大利队拼个势均力敌,那被人暗算除掉齐达内的法国队应该是实力略逊于意大利队才对,但在齐达内被罚下场后的十分钟里意大利队毫无建树反而依然让法国人在场上占据主动.从这点看意大利队好象又差了点意思.

齐达内已经向世人就自己的冲动道了歉,不管你认为他是愚蠢鲁莽如何的不可救药,他做了一个男人应该做的事.而马特拉奇呢?到现在还解释不清到底是骂了人家的妈,姐或老婆,还在为自己的劣行在狡辩.这种人居然还有人为他叫好真让人感到可悲.


Football is my religion. And I am a professional football fan. What you said is generally quite fair.
Zidane ruined the match because he gave france the execuses. Italy should win it anyway, but he made the success not so happy. Let's see FiFA's result for this event before we had any comments on Marterlazzi. Zidane should be punished, he escaped because he retired. Again, Zaidane is far from the best player he used to be. He got the golden ball only beacause he is retiring. Henry is this planet's number 1 striker and much better than Zidane for a long time.
 
And you cannot deny the real chances Italy created in the first half. Martelazzi scored and another of his header is save by Tulam from the line. Tony had one goal and also hit the cross bar. Of course, you won't see the goal keeper in all of above because he just stand there and did nothing. It is luck that keep france from losing 2:1 or 3:1 in the first half.
Yes, France dominatein the second half, but only two chances they created. One by henry and one by Zidane. But both denied by Buffon perfectly. Unlike Bartes, Buffon is never beaten.
I think the result is fair. Zidane has not received the right punishedment yet. Usually violence on the pitch is intolerable and will be banned for months.
 
足球不是我的宗教,我也不是一个职业球迷,我看了从八分之一决赛开始之后的所有比赛,我对法国队和意大利队也没有偏好,但我认为真正ruin了决赛的是马特拉奇,从球已经离他很远了还从背后抱着齐达内,然后嘴里还不停的嘟囔开始。意大利队踢得很精彩,特别是下半场两队之间的对攻。如果没有最后这场风波,这是16年来最精彩的世界杯决赛,意大利赢得冠军是他们的技术和表现的回报。齐达内的红牌他罪有应得,但我也认为这是男人应该做的。齐达内受到了处罚,也向世界道了歉,that's enough,至少我认为齐达内头撞马特拉奇的动作跟之前他以头球攻门的动作同样的完美无缺。真正没有受到处罚的是马特拉奇,他欠世界一张道义上的红牌,还有对他所作所为的道歉,如果真的以“职业”来评价的话。
 
最初由 dpff 发布
足球不是我的宗教,我也不是一个职业球迷,我看了从八分之一决赛开始之后的所有比赛,我对法国队和意大利队也没有偏好,但我认为真正ruin了决赛的是马特拉奇,从球已经离他很远了还从背后抱着齐达内,然后嘴里还不停的嘟囔开始。意大利队踢得很精彩,特别是下半场两队之间的对攻。如果没有最后这场风波,这是16年来最精彩的世界杯决赛,意大利赢得冠军是他们的技术和表现的回报。齐达内的红牌他罪有应得,但我也认为这是男人应该做的。齐达内受到了处罚,也向世界道了歉,that's enough,至少我认为齐达内头撞马特拉奇的动作跟之前他以头球攻门的动作同样的完美无缺。真正没有受到处罚的是马特拉奇,他欠世界一张道义上的红牌,还有对他所作所为的道歉,如果真的以“职业”来评价的话。

Agree with you on the match, but not the punishment.
Zidane hasn't received the right punishment. He should be banned but he quit. A red card is just the the beginning of his punishment, far from the end if he is to carry on. Usually a bahavior like his can cost him months or several games banned on the international stage. If Marterlazzi is not caught on the pitch, he will receive no punishment. This is the rule. Anything other than that is injustice. Let's see how FiFa decides.
 
我觉得在这场风波中,马特拉奇应该承担大部分的责任。没错,按照现在的足球比赛规则,马特拉奇不需要受到处罚,齐达内应该得红牌,但这不代表规则完全正确以及完全公平。把这场风波拉到足球场外,估计没有人会认为马特拉奇会这么容易的抽身事外。FIFA的决定无关重要,关于这件事情每个人都有自己的评价,就我自己而言,齐达内的形象并没有受损(特别是在看了前几天他在电视上的道歉),也许他表现得不够职业(如果马特拉奇的行为算作职业的话),起码齐达内算是一个有血有肉的男人。

我也同意你一点,那就是亨利,这家伙可真是够快,够狠,不明白为什么被提前替换下场。
 
最初由 dpff 发布


我也同意你一点,那就是亨利,这家伙可真是够快,够狠,不明白为什么被提前替换下场。

this is because the coach wants to bring on trezeguet and wiltod. both are strikers and they scored the winning goals against italy in the final of euro2000. in that game, italy lead 1:0 and piero has 2-3 easy chances to finish the game but he could not do it. france is desperate until 94 minutes wiltod scored to bring the game to extra time. and trezequet scored the golden goal in extra time to win france the europine chanpiomship. The coach wants the histroy repeated and broght them on. To keep the balance, henry and maluda have to give the way.
And it is trezeguet who defeated italy 6 years ago failed france this time.
 
Zidane and Materazzi Get FIFA Bans

The two players at the center of the "Head-butt Heard Around the World" during the World Cup finals on July 9 have been banned a total of five matches and fined a total of $10,000.


France's Zinedine Zidane was banned three matches by FIFA and also fined $6,000. Because Zidane retired, he will participate in three days of community service.

"Zinedine Zidane has also agreed to do community service work with children and youngsters," read a FIFA statement. "As Zidane has now retired from international football, the committee took note of Zidane's pledge to do three days of community service work with children and youngsters as part of FIFA's humanitarian activities"

Italy's Marco Materazzi has been banned two international matches and fined $4,000 for his part in provoking the famous head-butt from Zidane, an incident which marred the 2006 World Cup finals.

"In their statements, both players stressed that Materazzi's comments had been defamatory but not of a racist nature," continued the FIFA statement.
 
The punishment is 3:2, Zidane should take the most of the responsibility, and Materazzi cannot just walk away. I think FIFA is fair enough this time.
 
腾讯体育讯 北京时间7月20日晚,国际足联对在世界杯最后决赛中“齐达内头顶马特拉齐”一事的两位当事人做出了处罚决定。路透社在第一时间对此事进行了报道。
在7月9日的世界杯决赛中,意大利和法国鏖战108分钟仍然战成1-1。第109分钟场上发生了令人震惊的变化:当时齐达内在无球状况下头撞马特拉齐胸部,后者随即倒地。而在随后的慢镜头回放中人们发现马特拉齐口中念念有词,紧接着两人发生了口头争论,然后就发生了前面描述的那一幕。最终齐达内被红牌罚下,而马特拉齐则继续比赛,并在点球大战中罚入一球帮助意大利捧得大力神杯。

事后齐达内公开表示马特拉齐在球场上侮辱了他的母亲和姐姐,在得知法国中场在球场上做出不理智举动的原因后,国际足联表示将全力调查此事。

如今FIFA对两人做出了如下处罚决定:尽管已经明确表示将退出职业足坛,然而齐达内仍然被国际足联停赛三场,并被处以7500瑞士法郎(约合5614美元)的罚款;而用言语激怒对手的马特拉齐则被停赛两场,并被处以5000瑞士法郎(约合4010美元)的罚款。

不过由于齐达内已经退出足坛,国际足联在处罚决定中表示同意齐达内以做3天社区义工的要求代替3场禁赛,并且声明这是国际足联人道主义行为的一部分。

回顾这件事情的全过程,毫无疑问马特拉齐以及意大利国家队成了最终的胜利者。以2场国际比赛禁赛、5000瑞士法郎罚款的微小代价换回了第18届世界杯的冠军奖杯,这个买卖意大利人绝对不亏。(罗比)
 
可以看出来你是适合做fan的,但是绝对当不了球员,原因是你缺少一点野性(别说血性,说缺血性好像在骂人,野性好一点,多了少了都不影响).
球场上被这样骂,如果不动手,你在球员当中以后就抬不起头了,到哪都是被骂的.球场上从来不象你这么分析的,踢球跟下棋不一样,就象上回NBA阿泰斯勒打球迷一样,你可以不打,不打就不会受罚,但不打,你以后就别再混了,打完了,事情就过去了,这个圈子里没人会在意这种事,在意的始终是你的球技.老马连枪都用上了,有哪个球员因为这个说过老马的一个不字?其实这就是一件平常的球场上发生的事,骂的骂了,打的打了,罚的也罚了,一切都是球场上的规律,没必要因为是决赛,是老齐就上升高度.球是踢出来的,不是看出来的.这件事谁对谁错,跟你是不是意大利的球迷不应该有关系,你总把这个放在前面,不太合适,授人以柄啊.这届世界杯不同寻常,意大利的冠军背后是不是有更大的猫腻,不好说,也许多少年后就跟现在的尤文图斯一样也有可能.呵呵.这是没有王者的世界杯,不过总比希腊那次欧洲冠军稍好一点.意大利没有顶级球星,但场上所有人都是那个位置上一流或者准顶级的(那个希腊除了教练,现在球员的名字都没人会记得了吧)这是其它的队都比不上的.所以意大利这个最全面,最均衡也是强队里最没意思的队拿了冠军也没什么意外(真的,看意大利队踢球真没意思). 亨利是不是第一striker不好说,但老齐不是striker,没法比.亨利离最佳球员还差的很远.类似于边锋或者以前的内锋的位置的球员是很难在场上表现出世界第一的水平的,机会太少,自古以来就是中轴线的4个人可以站在最顶上,因为那个位置使你可以表现.而且,是不是好的striker,在英超是看不出来的,你要去意甲才知道.况且亨利作为一个球员对球队的影响力,绝对出前10名之外.这个金球,给老齐,勉强,但给别人,更勉强.给老齐有一大部分原因是法国淘汰了巴西,而老齐一个人的表现压过了所有巴西的中场大师们.这届世界杯还没有别的球星有什么惊人之举,大多数是整体的打法,显不出来谁.前锋全体低迷,进球数不够,自然拿不了金球.里克尔梅和巴西的中场们过早的离去也丧失了可能闪光的机会.真正回想起来让人意尤未尽的倒是格罗索的几个镜头.如果葡萄牙或者德国最后夺冠,也许里卡多或者莱曼能拿.实际的结果,没人好给,只好给老齐.

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Football is my religion. And I am a professional football fan. What you said is generally quite fair.
Zidane ruined the match because he gave france the execuses. Italy should win it anyway, but he made the success not so happy. Let's see FiFA's result for this event before we had any comments on Marterlazzi. Zidane should be punished, he escaped because he retired. Again, Zaidane is far from the best player he used to be. He got the golden ball only beacause he is retiring. Henry is this planet's number 1 striker and much better than Zidane for a long time.
 
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