法国世界报今天的报道，已经在检讨法国的做法了

[lonestar]

Le Monde.fr : "Il y a eu un renversement dans notre perception de la Chine" - Asie-Pacifique

 

[lonestar]

尤其是这一段，吹灭ZD的痴梦

Le dalaï-lama ne réclame pas l'indépendance du Tibet. Or, on a vu dans ces manifestations des slogans "Free Tibet" et de nombreux drapeaux tibétains...
Je suis extrêmement gêné par l'utilisation immodérée qui est faite du drapeau tibétain. Aucun pays au monde ne reconnaît de près ou de loin l'existence d'un Tibet indépendant, il ne s'agit pas d'une question ouverte. Les revendications qu'on peut adresser à la Chine portent sur les droits de l'homme, pas sur l'indépendance du Tibet. Ou alors il faut s'exprimer clairement sur l'indépendance du Tibet et expliquer quels moyens on entend y mettre. Sinon, il s'agit d'une tromperie. On ne fait que jeter de l'huile sur le feu des dirigeants chinois qui parlent de la "clique indépendantiste" du dalaï-lama. Or, la plupart des manifestants sont davantage attachés à la spiritualité et à la culture tibétaine qu'à son indépendance. Je pense qu'il y a malheureusement une confusion complète de part et d'autre.
记者:达赖喇嘛声称并没有寻求西藏独立， 但是，在这次事件中，有那么多的西藏旗帜，还有众人喊的解放西藏的口号又怎么解释。
François Godement 当我看到那么多夸张的西藏的旗帜，我感到非常的不安。 世界并没有任何一个国家承认（历史上或现在）西藏是一个国家， 这是无可置疑的。 我们想要得是促进中国政府改善中国的人权状况，并不是诉求要西藏独立。或者如果我们要给中国要求支持西藏独立的信息，那就给中国一个非常清楚的声明并且清楚地讲明怎样让他独立，何种方式的独立。如果不讲清楚，那就会引起很大的误会。我们是在给中国政府所说的达赖是分裂分子的幕后黑手这件事火上浇油。或者这些示威者只是在认同西藏的精神和文化上的独立并不是政治上的独立。不幸的是我觉得支持西藏的人完全混淆了这两点。 （François Godement,是法国政治教授和中亚研究所的所长）

 

[wuwei]

不懂法语,可不可翻一下?

 

[dropinto]

The Dalai Lama does not claim the independence of Tibet. However, one saw in these manifestations of the slogans "Free Tibet" and many flags Tibetans... I am extremely constrained by the immoderate use which is made flag Tibetan. No country in the world recognizes closely or by far the existence of independent Tibet, it is not a question of an open question. The claims which one can address to China relate to the humans right, not on the independence of Tibet. Or then it is necessary to be expressed clearly on the independence of Tibet and to explain which means one intends to put at it. If not, it acts of a fraud. One does nothing but throw oil on the fire of the Chinese leaders who speak about "clicks independence" of the Dalai Lama. However, the majority of the demonstrators are more attached to spirituality and the culture Tibetan that with its independence. I think that there is unfortunately a confusion supplements on both sides.

 

[wuwei]

The Dalai Lama does not claim the independence of Tibet. However, one saw in these manifestations of the slogans "Free Tibet" and many flags Tibetans... I am extremely constrained by the immoderate use which is made flag Tibetan. No country in the world recognizes closely or by far the existence of independent Tibet, it is not a question of an open question. The claims which one can address to China relate to the humans right, not on the independence of Tibet. Or then it is necessary to be expressed clearly on the independence of Tibet and to explain which means one intends to put at it. If not, it acts of a fraud. One does nothing but throw oil on the fire of the Chinese leaders who speak about "clicks independence" of the Dalai Lama. However, the majority of the demonstrators are more attached to spirituality and the culture Tibetan that with its independence. I think that there is unfortunately a confusion supplements on both sides.

谢谢

 

[Android_#3]

google translate...

 

[Android_#3]

The Dalai Lama was not calling for the independence of Tibet. However, we have seen in these events slogans "Free Tibet" and many Tibetan flags ...
I am extremely embarrassed by the immoderate use that is made of Tibetan flag. No country in the world recognizes from near or far the existence of an independent Tibet, it is not an open question. The claims that can be sent to the China deal with human rights, not on the independence of Tibet. Or maybe it is necessary to speak clearly on the independence of Tibet and explain how it intends to save. Otherwise, it is a deception. It is just throwing oil on the flames of Chinese leaders who speak of the "separatist clique" of the Dalai Lama. However, most of the demonstrators are more committed to the spirituality and Tibetan culture to its independence. I think there is unfortunately a complete confusion on both sides.

 

[Android_#3]

达赖喇嘛是不是要求西藏独立。但是，我们已经看到了这些活动，高喊"西藏自由" ，许多藏族旗...
我 感到非常尴尬，由immoderate使用，即取得的藏族旗。世界上没有一个国家承认，从或近或远的存在，一个独立的西藏，这是不是一个悬而未决的问题。 索赔的，可以发送到中国处理人权问题，而不是西藏独立。或者，它是必要的发言显然对西藏独立，并解释它打算如何节省开支。否则，这是一种欺骗。它只是扔油 对了推波助澜的中国领导人讲的"分裂主义集团"的达赖喇嘛。不过，大部份的示威者更致力于使灵性和藏族文化，以它的独立性。我觉得有遗憾的是一个完整的混 乱，对双方的共识。

笑死...