加拿大的種族歧視真厲害

[Tongjiya]

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/11/10/too-asian/

 

[wiki]

Who reads Macleans, it's a load of crap anyway.

BTW, there is a helpful little thing called Google cache. LOL

"Too Asian"

A term used in the U.S. to talk about racial imbalance at Ivy league schools is now being whispered on Canadian campuses

by Nicholas Köhler and Stephanie Findlay on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:51am - 270 Comments

When Alexandra and her friend Rachel, both graduates of Toronto’s Havergal College, an all-girls private school, were deciding which university to go to, they didn’t even bother considering the University of Toronto. “The only people from our school who went to U of T were Asian,” explains Alexandra, a second-year student who looks like a girl from an Aritzia billboard. “All the white kids,” she says, “go to Queen’s, Western and McGill.”

Alexandra eventually chose the University of Western Ontario. Her younger brother, now a high school senior deciding where he’d like to go, will head “either east, west or to McGill”—unusual academic options, but in keeping with what he wants from his university experience. “East would suit him because it’s chill, out west he could be a ski bum,” says Alexandra, who explains her little brother wants to study hard, but is also looking for a good time—which rules out U of T, a school with an academic reputation that can be a bit of a killjoy.

Or, as Alexandra puts it—she asked that her real name not be used in this article, and broached the topic of race at universities hesitantly—a “reputation of being Asian.”


Discussing the role that race plays in the self-selecting communities that more and more characterize university campuses makes many people uncomfortable. Still, an Asian” school has come to mean one that is so academically focused that some students feel they can no longer compete or have fun. Indeed, Rachel, Alexandra and her brother belong to a growing cohort of student that’s eschewing some big-name schools over perceptions that they’re too Asian.” It’s a term being used in some U.S. academic circles to describe a phenomenon that’s become such a cause for concern to university admissions officers and high school guidance counsellors that several elite universities to the south have faced scandals in recent years over limiting Asian applicants and keeping the numbers of white students artificially high.

Although university administrators here are loath to discuss the issue, students talk about it all the time. Too Asian” is not about racism, say students like Alexandra: many white students simply believe that competing with Asiansboth Asian Canadians and international students—requires a sacrifice of time and freedom they’re not willing to make. They complain that they can’t compete for spots in the best schools and can’t party as much as they’d like (too bad for them, most will say). Asian kids, meanwhile, say they are resented for taking the spots of white kids. “At graduation a Canadian—i.e. ‘white’—mother told me that I’m the reason her son didn’t get a space in university and that all the immigrants in the country are taking up university spots,” says Frankie Mao, a 22-year-old arts student at the University of British Columbia. “I knew it was wrong, being generalized in this category,” says Mao, “but f–k, I worked hard for it.”

That Asian students work harder is a fact born out by hard data. They tend to be strivers, high achievers and single-minded in their approach to university. Stephen Hsu, a physics prof at the University of Oregon who has written about the often subtle forms of discrimination faced by Asian-American university applicants, describes them as doing “disproportionately well—they tend to have high SAT scores, good grades in high school, and a lot of them really want to go to top universities.” In Canada, say Canadian high school guidance counsellors, that means the top-tier post-secondary institutions with international profiles specializing in math, science and business: U of T, UBC and the University of Waterloo. White students, by contrast, are more likely to choose universities and build their school lives around social interaction, athletics and self-actualization—and, yes, alcohol. When the two styles collide, the result is separation rather than integration.

The dilemma is this: Canadian institutions operate as pure meritocracies when it comes to admissions, and admirably so. Privately, however, many in the education community worry that universities risk becoming too skewed one way, changing campus life—a debate that’s been more or less out in the open in the U.S. for years but remains muted here. And that puts Canadian universities in a quandary. If they openly address the issue of race they expose themselves to criticisms that they are profiling and committing an injustice. If they don’t, Canada’s universities, far from the cultural mosaics they’re supposed to be—oases of dialogue, mutual understanding and diversity—risk becoming places of many solitudes, deserts of non-communication. It’s a tough question to have to think about.

 

[Tongjiya]

I wonder why the article has disappeared from their website? Anyway, thanks for posting the article.

 

[ccc]

It was removed.

 

[Tongjiya]

我在 cached 的網頁找到了一個 comment。 說來說去，就是憎死華人！


Layla18 · 9 hours ago
I am a grade 12 student currently applying to universities. I was originally considering going to Waterloo University but was advised not to do so because it was "full of Asians", and also that the courses and workload at UW was extremely tough. I 100% agree that it is morally unjustifiable for a university to accept people based on their race. Universities should be handing out acceptance letters based on marks alone. However, i will admit that as female of Finnish descent, i do want to go to a University that is a little bit easier and "whiter" than institutions such as UofT and UW. I think that it speaks more about Canadian Culture and less about "Asian Culture" that the students we are raising today are not giving 100% to their studies. With that being said, is the fact that we may be underachieving compared to our "Asian" counterparts a bad thing?? Although you attend University for the schooling, there are many other factors that affect where someone goes to University. Having a social life is also extremely important, not to mention having school spirit adds to the university experience as a whole. Is there a link between the number of "Asians" in a University and the amount of school spirit that a University has? There seems to be. Call me racist for wanting to go to a "white" University, but the fact is I am being honest. I have best friends who are of Korean descent and African descent, yet I think that if I went to a University with student that were mainly of Asian descent that I would not feel as comfortable. A friend studding at University of Waterloo for their second year of their undergrad told me stories about being discriminated against because of being white. In fact, I know many people leave these institutions after their first years in order to go to "whiter" institutions. If a University chooses people based on their ethnicity in an effort to maintain their institution, I can understand why a University would choose to do so.

 

[精美墙纸]

这个问题太纠结，不希望这种隔阂越来越大

 

[Tongjiya]

我由香港來加拿大20年了，已對加拿大的生活完全厭倦。每天都是面對這些種族歧視的問題和言論。我想加拿大遲早都會排華。我現在正在學普通話和日文以防萬一要回流。

 

[ccc]

回到中国，还得学各地方言。

 

[Tongjiya]

如上海話?

 

[ccc]

到了哪里，怎么样能混下去就怎么混了。到了上海，总得说点上海话，到了四川也得能吃点辣椒。即便那样，歧视也避免不了。

再回到加拿大来，我们自己对其他族裔是否也有歧视？

 

[JayD]

我由香港來加拿大20年了，已對加拿大的生活完全厭倦。每天都是面對這些種族歧視的問題和言論。我想加拿大遲早都會排華。我現在正在學普通話和日文以防萬一要回流。

种族歧视肯定是会有的.但比起其他国家,加拿大好多了.
我老爸有个同学97回归前从香港移民来加.之前跑过几个国家,最后选中加拿大,就是因为这里种族歧视现象不太明显.
其实,在香港发展也不错.

 

[Tongjiya]

當年我認識的其他香港移民，90％都早已回流。部分現在在中國內地發展，都不知幾好。我是唯一一個無回流的。中國人在香港根本沒有種族問題。我極之後悔當年決定留在加拿大。我無興趣亦不想知也不想理任何種族問題，所以在加拿大生活得好痛苦。真是自作自受。

 

[JayD]

你大概把问题想严重了.

Anyway,既来之,则安之.就当是为了这空气留下吧.
香港好揾钱又热闹,但人太多,治安麻麻.加拿大人少,空气好,治安也不错.有得有失.扯平.

 

[faice07]

这个话题有点小题大做 试想一下 如果在中国 你会选择有很多白人的学校 还是选择中国人为主的学校？

 

[nhl2007]

华裔人口占加拿大总人口只有3%，大学中应该不会出现普遍的“亚裔面孔”太多的现象呀。莫非华裔学生都扎堆儿去那几个学校了？象lisgar?

华人确实太喜欢抱群扎堆儿了，连买东西这种应该最个性化的都爱搞“团购”。
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亚裔大学生太多引猜忌？教育工作者吁让孩子选择

2010-11-10 13:15 环球华网

【环球华网综合消息】周三发表的《麦克琳》(Maclean's)杂志最新大学排名报告也指出，大学校园中日益增多的亚裔面孔，也引起人们对加国象牙塔中文化平衡的关注。最近大多伦多地区的亚洲社区举办相关会议，华裔加拿大教育工作者和专业人士在会上，用国语、粤语和英语提醒约300名家长，不要除了如工程、医疗、会计或药学等专业课程之外，让孩子别无选择。有些孩子对这些课程毫无兴趣，而且没有做好准备，他们最后退学、考试不及格、因作弊而被停学，或者患上抑郁症和急性焦虑症。

大会共同主席、多伦多教育局研究协调员邱玛莉(Maria Yau，译音)表示，移民家长，特别是东亚移民，对孩子们施以重压，以至于许多孩子在压力下崩溃。邱玛莉本人2005年从香港前来加拿大，她的儿子就反潮流而行，目前在尼亚加拉学院(Niagara College)学习文科，希望成为幼儿园教师。

邱玛莉指出，亚洲社区需要警醒，就算亚裔孩子看起来总是能得到足够高分进入大学，他们也常常没有独立性和社交技巧，不能在大学生存。

多伦多华裔加拿大学生中，72%都申请入读大学；而加国出生的学生中，只有42%申请读大学。《麦克琳》第20期年度大学指引中的文章说，某些人开始质疑，加拿大大学是否变得“太亚洲化”。

虽然这样说显得好似有种族歧视，但《麦克琳》指出，许多学校日益增多的亚裔学生，已经引起某些非亚裔学生的不满，甚至某些大学的行政人员也开始关注其学生的人口统计学组成。文章说，一间「亚洲」学校似乎意味着该校过于偏重学术，让某些学生感觉他们无法竞争或获得乐趣。文章还引用非亚裔高中学生的原话，称他们不会选择入读多伦多大学，因为那里大部份学生都是亚洲人。

文章还引述非亚裔本科学生的埋怨，称他们的中国和韩国同学不与他们混在一起。此次大会的共同主席黄妮可(Nicole Wong，译音)不得不承认，这是事实。