加拿大会对自己的海外资产征税吗?

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[FONT=宋体]海外资产申报并不是要对海外资产本身纳税,而是要对纳税人海外资产[/FONT][FONT=宋体]产生的收益征税。[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]海外资产如股票的红利及存款利息,租金收入等要作为当年收入向加拿大政府交税[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]另外,等到海外资产出售的那一天,如果有资本增殖,其中[/FONT]50%[FONT=宋体]的增殖要并入个人所得交税。[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]对海外资产隐瞒不报或申报不当都有可能会对你今后造成不利影响。[/FONT]
1997[FONT=宋体]年的税务年度后加拿大政府即要求其税务居民填报
T1135[FONT=宋体]表[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]每年申报海外资产的截止日期通常和申报所得税的截止日期相同。
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ptg,你买的是投资房吗?if yes,增值部分要交。IF NO AND NEVER RENT OUT AFTER YOU LEFT THE HOUSE, YOU DON'T NEED, HOWERVER YOU NEED FILE T1153 IN THE SECOND YEAR AFTER YOU LANDED CANADA IF THE VALU IS OVER $100,000 CANADA DOLLAR.

Right now you may need self volunteer disclosure in case you don't get penalty from CRA
 
我看过T1135,好像是这么说的:
如果海外房产是自住房或亲属居住(没有用于出租而获得租金收入),无论价值多少,都不需要填报T1135.
因此:
1 假如这房一直没卖,也一直没出租,我应该不用填T1135吧?也不会遭受penalty吧?
2 假如这房可以算作principal residence property,哪即使我卖了,产生了capital gain, 因为是principal residence property产生的,我不需要报税,也不用填T1135吧?
 
我看过T1135,好像是这么说的:

如果海外房产是自住房或亲属居住(没有用于出租而获得租金收入),无论价值多少,都不需要填报T1135.

因此:

1 假如这房一直没卖,也一直没出租,我应该不用填T1135吧?也不会遭受penalty吧?

2 假如这房可以算作principal residence property,哪即使我卖了,产生了capital gain, 因为是principal residence property产生的,我不需要报税,也不用填T1135吧?



1. If the value is ove Canadian dollar $100,000, you need fill T1135 in the second year after you landed Canada because you are Canadian tax residence and should continue fill T1135 every year until you desposite it.

2. No tax
 
我说两句,楼主别不高兴啊,呵呵:
都是中国同胞,要是讨论问题吧就要针对问题进行实质性的讨论,这样来来往往就把问题讨论清楚了。您老是这样摘一段话,没有上下文联系,对于讨论问题无助啊。让浏览的人更是一头雾水了,您说是不是?

就第一个问题,我从T1135上摘一段完整的例子啊:
Q. I own a condominium in Florida that has a cost amount of $120,000. Am I
required to file Form T1135 if the property is:
(a) only for personal use?
(b) rented out for eight months of the year with a reasonable expectation of
profit and kept for personal use the other four months?
(c) rented out year round with a reasonable expectation of profit?
A. If the property is personal use property (i.e., property owned by you that is
used by you or someone related to you primarily for personal use and
enjoyment) you do not have to report the property on Form T1135. As a
result, in situation (a), you would not need to report the condominium since
it is held primarily for personal use and enjoyment.
In situations (b) and (c), the property is an income-earning investment
property that is not held primarily for personal use and enjoyment. As a
result, since the cost amount is more than $100,000, you have to file
Form T1135.
核心意思是说:如果是自用房,即使价值超过了10W刀,也不用申报海外资产。
我的理解对吗,楼主?

对于第2个问题,请楼主明确回答:
海外房产能不能算作principle residence property? 这个问题搞清楚了,其它的问题就都迎刃而解了。

如果话说的不好听,请楼主多担待啊。我没别的意思,就想把这个问题问明白了。我想很多人也和我一样,非常关心这个问题。
 
我说两句,楼主别不高兴啊,呵呵:

都是中国同胞,要是讨论问题吧就要针对问题进行实质性的讨论,这样来来往往就把问题讨论清楚了。您老是这样摘一段话,没有上下文联系,对于讨论问题无助啊。让浏览的人更是一头雾水了,您说是不是?



就第一个问题,我从T1135上摘一段完整的例子啊:

Q. I own a condominium in Florida that has a cost amount of $120,000. Am I

required to file Form T1135 if the property is:

(a) only for personal use?

(b) rented out for eight months of the year with a reasonable expectation of

profit and kept for personal use the other four months?

(c) rented out year round with a reasonable expectation of profit?

A. If the property is personal use property (i.e., property owned by you that is

used by you or someone related to you primarily for personal use and

enjoyment) you do not have to report the property on Form T1135. As a

result, in situation (a), you would not need to report the condominium since

it is held primarily for personal use and enjoyment.

In situations (b) and (c), the property is an income-earning investment

property that is not held primarily for personal use and enjoyment. As a

result, since the cost amount is more than $100,000, you have to file

Form T1135.

核心意思是说:如果是自用房,即使价值超过了10W刀,也不用申报海外资产。

我的理解对吗,楼主?



对于第2个问题,请楼主明确回答:

海外房产能不能算作principle residence property? 这个问题搞清楚了,其它的问题就都迎刃而解了。



如果话说的不好听,请楼主多担待啊。我没别的意思,就想把这个问题问明白了。我想很多人也和我一样,非常关心这个问题。

Q1. Yes, you need file T1135, your proper value is over $100,000

Q2. Not a principle residence property because you live Canada more than 183 days



核心意思是说:如果是自用房,即使价值超过了10W刀,也不用申报海外资产。

我的理解对吗,楼主?No, if your oversea property value is over is 10 w, you need file T1153. property value is over is 10 w is the key point.
 
对于第二个问题,我以前是这么问的“2 假如这房可以算作principal residence property,哪即使我卖了,产生了capital gain, 因为是principal residence property产生的,我不需要报税,也不用填T1135吧?”。
楼主以前的回答是“No tax ”
楼主对房子属性最新的回答是“Not a principle residence property because you live Canada more than 183 days”
既然不是principle residence property ,卖房子产生了资本性收益,怎么能不报税呢?

我被您的前后阐述弄糊涂了。恕我愚钝,给您添麻烦了!
 
对于第一个问题,楼主的最新回答是“Q1. Yes, you need file T1135, your proper value is over $100,000”。看来楼主没有仔细看我给的T1135的摘录。我把摘录翻译一下,供大家阅读。不对之处请楼主和阅读者斧正:
Q.我在佛罗里达有一套CONDO,价值$120,000。我需要填写T1135吗?
如果:
(a) 完全个人使用;
(b) 出租了8个月,个人使用了4个月;
(c) 整年全部出租。

A.如果该资产是以个人使用为目的,例如你(或与你有关系的人)主要以自用或享受为目的,你就不需要填写T1135。因此,对于情况(a)你不需要填写T1135,因为是以自用或享受为目的。对情况(b)和(c),是以投资挣取收入为目的,不是以自用或享受为目的,而且总价值超过了$100,000,因此你需要填写T1135。

因此我觉得,10W刀不是唯一判断条件!还要根据房产的用途加以区分!
10W刀是必要条件(不够10W根本不用报),但不是充分条件(不是说超过10W就报,还有其它条件呢)! 对一个事物做出结论,需要把它的充分条件、必要条件都搞清楚了才能下结论啊。
 
对于Q1,我们还可以从T1135第3页再次旁证自用房不需要申报。

T1135表第5行填的是不动产(房子)。 在T1135第3页是这么解释的:
5. Real property outside Canada
Report any real estate holdings that you have outside of Canada, other than
real estate used in an active business or for personal use. For example, if you
have a rental property outside Canada it should be included in this area.
我试着翻译如下:
5 海外不动产
填写你在海外拥有的不动产,活跃生意中使用的不动产和以个人使用为目的的不动产不包括在内。例如,你将海外房子出租了,你要在这行申报。
 
在T1135的第二页有题目“What property do you have to report?”(哪些资产你需要申报?),这么说“You only have to report property that is specified foreign property.”(你只需要申报规定的海外资产)。然后下面分了2部分分别列出了Specified foreign property(规定的资产),Specified foreign property does not include(规定资产不包括的——不需要申报的)。规定资产不包括的第二项就是:personal-use property (i.e., property used primarily for personal use and
enjoyment, such as a vacation property used primarily as a personal
residence);
我试着翻译如下:
个人使用的资产(例如以假期娱乐和个人使用为主要目的的渡假屋资产);
我觉得从这部分规定也说明了:自用房不需要申报海外资产。
 
分成几个问题都没关系,只要能把问题讨论清楚就行。哪就按照您的问题划分来讨论吧。我们先讨论您的第一个问题:1. Do I have to fill T1135?

您给的答案是“If your foreign property is over $100,000 canadian dollar, you need file T1135 ”(我试着翻译您的话:只要你的海外资产超过10W刀,你就需要填写T1135)
我从T1135上摘抄了那么多相关内容,并且试着翻译了。我相信如果按照上下文的顺序来看,大家都看懂了。您怎么视而不见呢?我想告诉你的是:海外资产超过10W刀,不一定要填T1135!还要看资产的用途!

希望您能明确一下:就这第一个问题而言,到底咱俩谁说的对啊?
我绝没有跟您比试的意思,我是就事论事。好多朋友都关心这个问题呢,咱不能误导读者啊,您说是不?
 
您怎么把回帖删了?
您一删,大家就不知道我上一封回帖的出处了啊。
 
我把您的回帖加上吧:
Let me clerify: for my understanding, you ask 2 questions which 2 question are not related:

1. Do I have to fill T1135?

If your foreign property is over $100,000 canadian dollar, you need file T1135

2. Is the gain from principal residence taxable? No.

3. What is a principal residence in Income Tax Act, please see http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tp/it...20r6-01-e.html, sorry I don't have time to finish
 
我看过T1135,好像是这么说的:

如果海外房产是自住房或亲属居住(没有用于出租而获得租金收入),无论价值多少,都不需要填报T1135.

因此:

1 假如这房一直没卖,也一直没出租,我应该不用填T1135吧?也不会遭受penalty吧?

2 假如这房可以算作principal residence property,哪即使我卖了,产生了capital gain, 因为是principal residence property产生的,我不需要报税,也不用填T1135吧?



Correct my anwser after I check T1135( Foreign Income Verification Statement) about [FONT=Arial,Bold][FONT=Arial,Bold]Real property outside Canada

[/FONT][/FONT]Report any real estate holdings that you have outside of Canada, other than real estate used in an active business or for personal use. For example, if you have a rental property outside Canada it should be included in this area.



1. No T1135, no penalty

2. I'm not sure the house in China can be the principal residence. In Income Tax Act, section 54 don't montion the situation. Follow [FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold][FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]

The "Ordinarily Inhabited" Rule (housing unit must be ordinarily inhabited. in the year by the taxpayer or by his or her spouse or common-law partner, former spouse or common-law partner, or child), if you don't live it more than 1 year, I think you may not count it as your principal residence.



sorry for confusing you!

Keep discussing

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现在说说您的第二个问题:2. Is the gain from principal residence taxable? (我试着翻译如下:来自首要住房的收益应该纳税吗?)
您给的答案是:NO

我在您发表这个帖子之前,曾经写了一个帖子“海外房产怎么报税?”,向各位高人请教一个非常令我头疼的问题。各位如果感兴趣,可以去看看。限于篇幅,我不再摘抄了。
我发帖后,“sophia2005”很快给予了解答:“我听说如果是自住房,卖了后的增值部分是不用交税的。投资房(出租房)要交。至少在加拿大是这样。”
在这里我要感谢一下“sophia2005”乐于助人的热忱!而且赞美一下“sophia2005”的坦诚,因为你说了“至少在加拿大是这样”——知之为知之! 多么简单而崇高的美德啊!
我由衷的感谢和赞美你,“sophia2005”!

在此之后,楼主进行了跟帖“ptg,你买的是投资房吗?if yes,增值部分要交。IF NO AND NEVER RENT OUT AFTER YOU LEFT THE HOUSE, YOU DON'T NEED, HOWERVER YOU NEED FILE T1153 IN THE SECOND YEAR AFTER YOU LANDED CANADA IF THE VALU IS OVER $100,000 CANADA DOLLAR.

Right now you may need self volunteer disclosure in case you don't get penalty from CRA”
我不是“买”房子,我帖子的问题是“卖”房子。相信是您的手误,不提了。
虽然您重复了“sophia2005”的答案,对您的热心我还是非常感谢的!

在这里对第二个问题“Is the gain from principal residence taxable?”做一个总结吧:
如果说的房子是在加拿大境内并且是首要住房,哪么楼主的答案(No)是对的。
 
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