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http://www.rappler.com/nation/4297-ph-chinese-vessels-never-left-scarborough


MANILA, Philippines – The tension began with 10 Chinese vessels in the disputed Scarborough Shoal, and continues two weeks later with at least 7 remaining despite claims by China it had pulled out its ships, according to Philippine authorities.

China's most advanced fishery patrol ship, Yuzheng 310, remained in Scarborough Shoal as of 2 p.m. Tuesday, April 24, said Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) spokesperson Raul Hernandez in a text message, citing reports from the Philippine Coast Guard.

Chinese maritime surveillance ship no. 71, Hernandez said, also stayed in Scarborough Shoal despite China's earlier claim only one Chinese vessel remained in the area.


In addition, at least 5 fishing vessels remained inside and outside Scarborough Shoal as of 8 p.m. Monday, April 23, Northern Luzon Command (Nolcom) chief Lt Gen Anthony Alcantara told Rappler in a phone interview.

This is 3 vessels short of the original number of Chinese fishing boats that the Philippine Navy monitored in the area last April 10.

The Navy, at that time, sighted 8 Chinese fishing boats and 2 surveillance ships.

The Philippines, on the other hand, has 2 Coast Guard vessels in Scarborough Shoal, Alcantara said.

Rappler is still trying to reach Zhang Hua, spokesperson of the Chinese Embassy in the Philippines, for comment as of posting time.

Breaking promises

The latest developments in Scarborough Shoal raise the tension between the two countries that have accused each other of breaking their promises.

If the two Chinese ships indeed remained in Scarborough Shoal despite China's assertion, this would be the 2nd time China broke its commitment as far as the Philippines is concerned.

China, for example, promised “no surprises” until negotiations on the Scarborough Shoal dispute resume, the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) said last April 14.

That was the same day the Philippine military said 7 Chinese fishing vessels and a marine survey ship had left Scarborough Shoal.

Later that day, however, the Department of Foreign Affairs reported the return of a white Chinese ship and another Chinese ship's alleged harassment of a Philippine-registered vessel.

“It appears there is an element that is lacking in our negotiations,” Foreign Secretary Albert Del Rosario then said. “I seek a deeper element of trust from our Chinese friends.”

China, on the other hand, earlier blamed the Philippines for aggravating the tension in Scarborough Shoal. The Philippines, for one, did not withdraw its ships from the disputed territory despite an earlier agreement “not (to) do anything to complicate or aggravate the situation.”

PH 'weapon'

In case the tension in Scarborough Shoal rises further, Nolcom's Alcantara said the Navy can re-deploy its biggest and most modern warship, BRP Gregorio del Pilar, as one of the possible contingency measures.

President Benigno Aquino III, for his part, said the Philippines' “weapon” in the ongoing dispute “is for the world to know what is being done to us.”

“They have relations with other nations around the world which would make other nations think, if we are being treated this way... there might come a time when they would also be treated the same way,” he said in an interview with reporters Tuesday.

On Monday, Aquino had warned the Philippines' neighboring countries about China's growing aggressiveness in South China Sea. – Rappler.com
 
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/34...l-in-scarborough-area-says-military-commander

CAMP AQUINO, Philippines – China won’t be allowed to conquer Scarborough Shoal, a military official said Tuesday, reiterating their mission “to take care of our territory and sovereignty”.

“We will not allow them. They cannot conquer Scarborough Shoal,” Lieutenant General Anthony Alcantara told reporters in a press briefing in response to a query about the possibility of a Chinese takeover of the disputed shoal.

“Our mission is clear: Take care of our territory and sovereignty, ” he said.

Alcantara described the situation in the area as “stable” with “no untoward incident.”

He added that the Naval Forces in Northern Luzon were constantly in touch with the Philippine Coast Guard.

“Our Navy is always on standby to help, ” he said.

Alcantara also said that the Chinese were not telling the truth when it claimed Monday through reports that their vessels Yuzheng 310 and maritime surveillance ship 84 have left the shoal.

“We are not doubting their claims. We are telling them they are not telling the truth,” he said.

As of 8p.m., Monday, the BRP Pampanga replaced the BRP Edsa, which stocked up on provisions. A Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources maritime control ship, MCS 3006, was also anchored within the shoal, which he said could be conducting inventory.

Meanwhile, two small Chinese fishing boats were sighted inside the shoal, and another three outside. Fisheries Law Enforcement Command (Yuzheng) vessel 310, a Chinese fishing gunboat, was located eight nautical miles southeast of BRP Pampanga, and the Chinese maritime surveillance ship (CMS) 71 was within 12 nautical miles also southeast of the BRP Pampanga, said Alcantara.

The CMS 75 and 84 were not sighted, and have probably refuelled, he said.

The vessels “are bent to stay within the shoal,” as they have been taking turns and changing their positions from time to time, he added.

All Chinese water vessels were within the 200 nautical mile-exclusive economic zone, he said.

Despite signifying the military’s preparedness for any situation that may arise, Alcantara echoed the government’s desire to settle the dispute by diplomatic means.

“That’s what we’re hoping for,” he told reporters.
 
中国历届政府,一贯对内硬,对外软,一般打不起来。
 
中国历届政府,一贯对内硬,对外软,一般打不起来。

如果“中国历届政府”指的是“中华人民共和国”的政府,请看如下列表:

1950年~1953年,抗美援朝战争;
1962年 中印战争;
1969年 珍宝岛之战;
1974年 西沙海战
1979年~1989年 对越自卫反击战 及之后的边境冲突;
2001年 美军EP-3侦察机 被歼-8II撞击坠落。
 
中国文化不是外向型的(强盗),打不起来。
 
我觉得能打,但是不会攻击菲律宾的本土。
 
中国历届政府,一贯对内硬,对外软,一般打不起来。
如果“中国” 指的是历史上至今的中华文化的历朝历代, 那故事就有点儿长了。
先占个位子, 下班回家之后接着说。 先抛砖引玉一下,如果有人给补充就更好了。

中日甲午战争,
袁世凯率军援朝,
中法之战,
左宗棠抬棺入疆,
中俄尼布楚之战,
清军两争朝鲜
明将李如松率军抗倭援朝
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别人的意思可能是:对外先礼后兵,对内先兵后忽悠或忽略。
如果“中国” 指的是历史上至今的中华文化的历朝历代, 那故事就有点儿长了。
先占个位子, 下班回家之后接着说。 先抛砖引玉一下,如果有人给补充就更好了。

中日甲午战争,
袁世凯率军援朝,
中法之战,
左宗棠抬棺入疆,
中俄尼布楚之战,
清军两争朝鲜
明将李如松率军抗倭援朝
.
.
.
.
.
 
如果“中国” 指的是历史上至今的中华文化的历朝历代, 那故事就有点儿长了。

先占个位子, 下班回家之后接着说。 先抛砖引玉一下,如果有人给补充就更好了。



中日甲午战争,

袁世凯率军援朝,

中法之战,

左宗棠抬棺入疆,

中俄尼布楚之战,

清军两争朝鲜

明将李如松率军抗倭援朝

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三哥,闲话少说,赌cfc币1万吧,我赌不会有战事。
 
如果“中国历届政府”指的是“中华人民共和国”的政府,请看如下列表:

1950年~1953年,抗美援朝战争;
1962年 中印战争;
1969年 珍宝岛之战;
1974年 西沙海战
1979年~1989年 对越自卫反击战 及之后的边境冲突;
2001年 美军EP-3侦察机 被歼-8II撞击坠落。


1950年~1953年,抗美援朝战争: 就是苏联的炮灰,没有苏联逼迫和支持,红朝断然不敢参战。中朝联军最屈辱的一页: http://www.annian.net/show.aspx?id=3340&cid=18

1962年 中印战争: 战术上取得了胜利,但将藏南送给了印度,红朝退回战前的防线,甚至更多。

1969年 珍宝岛之战: 偷袭苏军巡逻队成功,但随后苏联反击,红朝的战斗失败,珍宝岛长期被苏联控制,红朝没敢将战斗扩大以夺回珍宝岛。不久,在新疆铁列克提,苏军袭击红朝军队,全歼红朝巡逻队,红朝没有反击。

2001年 : 美军EP-3侦察机和红朝歼-8II相撞,歼-8II坠落,飞行员死亡,美军EP-3侦察机受伤迫降,美军五人员伤亡。随后红朝返还美军EP-3侦察机和人员。随后的几年,美军侦察机继续沿原航行飞行。

1999年 使馆被北约军机轰炸: 我就不多说了。

红朝没有丧权辱国的,只有和越南的战争。
 
1950年~1953年,抗美援朝战争: 就是苏联的炮灰,没有苏联逼迫和支持,红朝断然不敢参战。中朝联军最屈辱的一页: http://www.annian.net/show.aspx?id=3340&cid=18

1962年 中印战争: 战术上取得了胜利,但将藏南送给了印度,红朝退回战前的防线,甚至更多。

1969年 珍宝岛之战: 偷袭苏军巡逻队成功,但随后苏联反击,红朝的战斗失败,珍宝岛长期被苏联控制,红朝没敢将战斗扩大以夺回珍宝岛。不久,在新疆铁列克提,苏军袭击红朝军队,全歼红朝巡逻队,红朝没有反击。

2001年 : 美军EP-3侦察机和红朝歼-8II相撞,歼-8II坠落,飞行员死亡,美军EP-3侦察机受伤迫降,美军五人员伤亡。随后红朝返还美军EP-3侦察机和人员。随后的几年,美军侦察机继续沿原航行飞行。

1999年 使馆被北约军机轰炸: 我就不多说了。

红朝没有丧权辱国的,只有和越南的战争。


康老师,你这原创还是转贴?

战争的胜负看战略和效果。

朝鲜战争:中国军人始于中朝边境,至于朝韩边境。 对于中国军队来说是胜利。

中印战争:中国军人越境战斗。后退回到战前边境境内。 至少中国军人没有输掉。(被迫退回是美苏导弹危机结束,受过大美苏和国际压力)

珍宝岛:苏联以核弹威胁,中国主动出击。战术上苏军损失惨重,战略上苏联看到中国不惜地面战。至少中国军人没有输掉。

中美撞机:军事层面上中国是赢了,飞行员死活谁也不知道内情。但后来的处理被文人政府(江猪)给丢脸了。战略上输了。

中越战争:和你看法相反,这是个失败的战争。战略上的扶持红色高棉的目的根本没有达到,越南直道苏联解体后才从柬埔寨撤军。战术上死伤无数,退回到战前的边境线。后来夺的领土都是80年代小打得来的。古巴就在美国后院,但美国从来就不“修理”古巴。
 
硬不硬,趋势很重要。

谁也难说服谁,自己判断吧。
 
应该积极主动打一仗,目的不仅是菲律宾,而是立威,拿菲律宾祭旗。
 
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