想整辆新车：Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord？

[月下独酌]

宝马奥迪都是12年

福特5年

honda 5年

toyota 5年

mazda 8年

 

[月下独酌]

"每年改改外壳" -> Marketing strategy. (Anyone who owns a store will agree on this!), not necessarily "骗钱".
This means those who buy "倭人" cars are not smart???

I think to us, those who have to drive in cold snowy winter (outside temperature can be as worse as minus 20), I want a reliable car, that won't break down on highway. I seldom heard "倭人" cars have transmission problem/failure, even car mileage is over 300000 km.

My mechanics (I have two in Toronto) told me, don't buy A's cars. A very high likelihood to have transmission failure after 200000 km.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009–2011_Toyota_vehicle_recalls

 

[YINGWA]

按你的意思买美系车的人not smart? 我没说倭人车不好，只听有人说美系车是渣，你有过美系车吗？道听途说而已。四速变速箱，和六速比那个好？

My wife once owned a brand new Plymouth Voyager (a Van) back in 1999 because of her business.
The Van was parked inside our garage. After driving it for five years, there was a part (I forgot the name) which was immersed in OIL became rusted and has to be replaced, (part and labour costed over 500 CAD). That was changed and became rusted again after four years. Interesting huh.
And the following incident also happened. We found some pink liquid on the Garage floor, (that was the fifth winter), and we found out that was due transmission fluid leakage. And my family has to check transmission fluid level in winter and refill it (metal expansion in Summer hence less leakage).
Again, according to my mechanic, that is common to American cars. Japanese cars also leak, but NOT that serious.

Why buy American Van? The answer is simple. It is cheaper. Now, you can own a Grand Caravan on the road for (less than) 24000, but you have to pay 30000 plus for Sienna or Odyssey. The difference is 6000!!!

American cars also have great cars like Lincoln, but that would mean 50000, and to some people who can spend 50000 on a car, they may go for BMW, or Benz. Ask them why.... Again, people choice.

 

[笨妈笨爸]

我注册了Customer Report，发现RAV4在安全性和可靠性都很好。
而Pilot也比Dogde那款Durango要好很多。
但是很多美国车用DOHC，而日本车还是SOHC。
所以也许家庭用车以安全和可靠为主的话，选择某几款日本车比较好。
而以驾驶乐趣和速度什么的为主话，可能会选美国车吧。

 

[笨妈笨爸]

令我惊奇的是，宝马什么的，很多车型，安全和可靠性都比较差。

 

[笨妈笨爸]

CR上有一个收费服务是，可以告诉你某款车的底价以及invoice价，不知道是否可靠有用？

 

[ottawa_it_blue_collar]

我的美系车到目前为止没任何问题。八年，近二十万公里。一般家用，最多十年二十几万也该换车了。美车日车到那时价格也几乎归零了。另外一个事实是美车韩车质量近几年进步很多，日车下降不少。我同事的日车也是变速箱漏油报废的。

 

[ottawa_it_blue_collar]

Cr 没啥用，多伦多车价一定比渥村低。

 

[月下独酌]

令我惊奇的是，宝马什么的，很多车型，安全和可靠性都比较差。

宝马不是代步车，能带来的Thrill&fun不是烤肉accord之流能想象的。
要说同档宝马安全性不如同档日本车，纯属搞笑。
为什么德国车操控好，稳当，日本车飕飕的抖？一个字 - Autobahn.

楼上买代步车开20年的也就只能买2000年之前的日本车了。2k之后的日本车质量跟当年的差老远了。

我当年的老98美国车开了十多万也没一次把我扔马路边上。在学校冬天1米的大雪盖着一个半月照样一打就着。

06年我买的日本车开了一个冬天排气管上的隔热层就锈掉了桄榔桄榔的响，发动机舱的隔热层也锈的快掉了
98年的美国车8年了一个锈斑都没有。

何解？

 

[月下独酌]

Cr 没啥用

+1

专门糊弄消费者的。

 

[YINGWA]

你说的 transmission failure是什么意思？难道在高速上开着开着，就不动了？这个听着很危险的样子。

不过我买车只打算开4到5年，把贷款还清就打算卖掉再买新的，这样的话，美国车，日本车基本没什么影响吧？谢谢

It is NOT transmission fluid leakage!
It means the transmission actually stops working (without any warning!). If you know any mechanic, ask them what is transmssion failure. If you are driving on the highway, and the temperature is minus 20 outside, then transmission failure is the most dangerous.
To replace transmission is an expensive job, more than thousand dollars.

If you want to "开4到5年", I think you can consider LEASE a car. All cars no matter what brand name should be trouble free in the first four years. You just return the LEASE car after you have finished your lease. And if you want to keep the car, then you have an option called "Buy Back", which is the car residual value after four years. Those cars with higher residual value are cheaper to lease. If you want to "把贷款还清就打算卖掉再买新的" then LZ should look for a car with better retain value. This, LZ can do some research yourself, it is easy to find car residual value from internet.

 

[笨妈笨爸]

It is NOT transmission fluid leakage!
It means the transmission actually stops working (without any warning!). If you know any mechanic, ask them what is transmssion failure. If you are driving on the highway, and the temperature is minus 20 outside, then transmission failure is the most dangerous.
To replace transmission is an expensive job, more than thousand dollars.

If you want to "开4到5年", I think you can consider LEASE a car. All cars no matter what brand name should be trouble free in the first four years. You just return the LEASE car after you have finished your lease. And if you want to keep the car, then you have an option called "Buy Back", which is the car residual value after four years. Those cars with higher residual value are cheaper to lease. If you want to "把贷款还清就打算卖掉再买新的" then LZ should look for a car with better retain value. This, LZ can do some research yourself, it is easy to find car residual value from internet.

谢谢您的解释。RAV4是不是就是你说的贷款还清就可以卖掉的车？

 

[YINGWA]

CR上有一个收费服务是，可以告诉你某款车的底价以及invoice价，不知道是否可靠有用？

I think those quotes are for USA.

In North America, there are two magazines, Consumer Digest and Consumer Reports. Do some research and you know the difference between these two magazines.

 

[笨妈笨爸]

I thing those quotes are for USA.
In North America, there are two magazines, Consumer Digest and Consumer Reports. Do some research and you know the difference between these two magazines.

CR有对应的加拿大网站，但是费用是29元得到一个加拿大销售的车的report，比美国的贵一倍。不过对我这种第一次买车的新手可能值得。等我定下了车型，就买一个报告。

 

[YINGWA]

谢谢您的解释。RAV4是不是就是你说的贷款还清就可以卖掉的车？

I hope LZ knows the difference between LEASE and FINANCE.

LEASE means you pay the difference between the Car Full cost MINUS Car residual value after AGREED LEASING PERIOD.

FINANCE means you finance and pay the FULL car cost.

After Leasing period, you don't own the car (you have to return the car), and usually you CANNOT break the lease. You can but probably have to pay some penalty, hence you can find people asking people to TAKE over lease.

LEASE and FINANCE both have PROS and CONS. Ask your sales person and he/she should explain it clearly to you. It is your choice and decision (and your $).