Great Canadian real estate crash of 2013

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The housing bubble has burst, and few will emerge unscathed
by Chris Sorensen on Wednesday, January 9, 2013 3:59pm -


Photo Illustration by Stephen Gregory

Keith Roy began warning his clients about a faltering Vancouver housing market in early 2012. The realtor says he was tipped off not by industry statistics, but by chatter across backyard fences. “When you hear about a homeowner who thinks his neighbour got too much money when he sold his house, you know there’s something going on,” says Roy. “That was the first clue.”
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The next shoe to drop was a handful of homes in desirable west side neighbourhoods that took a few extra days to sell. Sensing a shift in the market, Roy put his own house up for sale in June and penned a blog posting the following month that advised people to “cash out.” Though he was criticized by fellow agents for breaking rank, Roy says he now feels vindicated after watching Vancouver home sales crumble to their lowest point in more than decade, with prices falling 3.5 per cent since hitting a high last May. The lesson? Recognizing a looming real estate downturn is more art than science; once it shows up in the numbers, it’s too late to do much about it. “One day the phone just stops ringing,” Roy says. “Then you’re in it.”

It’s not just Vancouver where realtors’ BlackBerrys no longer buzz. In Toronto, the city’s once insatiable demand for living in 650 sq.-ft. glass boxes has evaporated overnight. Condo sales are down by 30 per cent, while prices have fallen by 4.5 per cent. Some proposed projects have been put on hold, while some angry investors—like those who bought luxury suites at the Trump International hotel—are desperate to get their money out, and have turned to the courts. Even the Bank of Canada, which has helped inflate the bubble by tempting Canadians with years of rock-bottom interest rates, has issued a rare warning about the risks posed to the broader housing market of too many condo developers in cities like Toronto and Vancouver chasing too few buyers.

A housing correction—or, possibly, a crash—is no longer coming. It’s here. And you don’t have to own a tiny $500,000 condo in downtown Toronto or a $1.3-million bungalow in Vancouver to get hurt. With few exceptions, the impact will be indiscriminate as the euphoria of rising house prices is replaced by fear. The only question now is how bad things will get. If the decline picks up speed, as many believe it will, there could be a nasty snowball effect. Construction jobs will be lost. Homeowners will end up underwater. Consumers may stop spending. “I’m getting very nervous,” says David Madani, an economist at Capital Economics, who has been predicting a drop in housing prices of up to 25 per cent in Canada. “I know I’m a bear, but the housing market itself has the potential to put us in a recession, let alone what’s happening in Europe and the U.S.”

Canada could be setting itself up for a devastating one-two punch: a painful domestic housing slump just as Canada’s export and resource-driven economy is hit with falling global demand. The most acute threat is the U.S. debt crisis, which, if handled poorly, could tip the world’s largest economy back into recession, taking Canada along with it. Meanwhile, Europe remains mired in a recession and concerns about China’s growth persist. “I feel like Canada is in the path of a perfect storm here,” Madani says. Other than housing, “the key pillar of strength is our booming resource sector,” says Madani. “If you take that away, it’s just going to knock the lights out.”

The sudden cooling in Canada’s housing sector seemingly struck without warning. As recently as last spring, bidding wars were common in many Canadian cities as were the “over asking!” stickers agents slapped on “for sale” signs. The peak may have been reached in March when one Toronto bungalow made headlines after selling for $1.1 million, more than $420,000 above the list price.

Eight months later, the story has been reversed. And not just in Toronto and Vancouver. In Victoria, existing home sales were down by 22 per cent in November from a year earlier. In Montreal, sales were down 19 per cent last month. Ottawa’s sales were down nine per cent and Edmonton’s were down six per cent. With all those houses lingering on the market, prices dipped in 10 of 11 big cities across the country between October and November, according to the Teranet-National Bank index. It was the first such drop since 2009.

The weakness is also evident in new home construction. The Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation reported a third straight month of falling housing starts in November. The trend is expected to continue next year.
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With mortgages as cheap as they’ve ever been (five-year rates can be had for as little as 2.84 per cent) and no spikes in unemployment, there can only be one explanation: Canadians bid home prices up so high, and piled on so much debt, they’ve essentially spooked themselves. In Vancouver, for example, the cost of owning a home eats up more than 80 per cent of an average household’s income, according to the Royal Bank’s affordability index. In Toronto, it’s over 50 per cent. Overall, affordability remains below historical averages across the country, RBC says, with two-storey homes in particular causing “affordability-related stress.”

Some argue this is exactly what the much hoped-for “soft landing” should look like. Earlier this year, Sherry Cooper, the soon-to-be-retired chief economist at Bank of Montreal, likened the Canadian housing market to a balloon—not a bubble—that will deflate slowly and naturally in the absence of a “pin.” But such semantic distinctions gloss over a key feature of bubbles: psychology. “Bubbles inherently contain the seeds of their own undoing,” warns Madani. “They’re driven by overconfidence and expectations that house prices will keep going up. But at some point it just pops.” And that creates the spectre of a pendulum that swings the other way.

Nowhere is this mood shift more apparent than in downtown Toronto, where a decade-long condo boom has reshaped the skyline and created a potential glut of tiny, glass-walled suites. There are currently 147 high-rises under construction in Canada’s largest city, according to research firm Emporis. That’s the most of anywhere in North America, including New York. When completed, an additional 56,336 new living spaces will be added to the city’s housing inventory. Most of the projects are conceived and marketed based on a cookie-cutter formula: minimalist decor; “lifestyle” amenities ranging from yoga studios to juice bars; and attention-grabbing flourishes, as with one midtown Toronto project called E Condos that promises two towers with “cantilevered,” glass-walled swimming pools overhanging the streets below. The building boom has even drawn in world-renowned architect Frank Gehry. He was hired by theatre magnate David Mirvish to build three downtown residential towers that will rise as high as 85 floors.

The concern is that the market is being driven by speculators, not families. Many condo purchasers buy off a floor plan—often borrowing against an existing property—and then sell or rent their unit once it’s completed several years later (units can also be sold, or “assigned,” to another buyer while a tower is under construction). “So far, the demand for units and supply has not been too far out of balance,” says Ohad Lederer, an analyst at Veritas Investment Research, citing estimates that investors comprise half of the Toronto condo market. “And that’s reflected by a relatively robust rental market. But I’m definitely concerned that, over the next couple of years, an imbalance will emerge.” It’s happened before. In Miami, a pre-2008 condo boom left 7,000 new units unoccupied after the crash. The upside? College students could suddenly afford to rent swanky suites with granite countertops and ocean views.

Lederer recently sent secret shoppers to several condo sales presentation offices. They made some disturbing discoveries: sales staff who didn’t ask for mortgage pre-approvals and who grossly misrepresented the demographic trends—namely the number of expected new immigrants to Toronto—that are supposed to keep units in high demand. But Lederer says he is most disturbed by the sector’s “shoddy mathematics.” By his calculations, many condo owners who rent their properties are realizing returns of less than four per cent. If rental rates fall as more units come on the market—Lederer estimates there are at least 5,000 too many condo units being built in downtown Toronto—those same investors will soon be losing money, prompting them to sell. “Being a landlord is already a negative cash proposition at today’s prices,” he says, adding that a bust in the condo sector will likely have a “trickle up” effect by reducing demand for starter homes.

John Andrew, a professor who studies real estate at Queen’s University, says Canada’s condo boom has put cities like Toronto in uncharted territory. Will all of the tiny suites still be in demand once the novelty of “plunge pools” and “sky bars” wears thin? “There really isn’t a precedent,” says Andrew. “When we’ve seen market crashes before in Toronto and Vancouver, condos really weren’t as prevalent as they are now.”

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty decided he had seen enough last July. He dialled back mortgage-amortization periods for government-insured mortgages (required for anyone buying a home with less than a 20 per cent down payment) to 25 years from 30 years, the fourth time he tightened standards in as many years. Observers were quick to note mortgage rules are effectively now back to where they were before the Conservatives took office. A national experiment in lenient lending has finally come to a close.

Even with the market slowing, many experts believe Canada is unlikely to experience a “U.S.-style” housing crash. The riskiest mortgages are guaranteed by taxpayers through the CMHC, thereby insulating the financial sector from the sort of meltdown endured by Wall Street in 2008.

But a mere collapse in home sales—and prices—would be bad enough. Ben Rabidoux, an analyst at M Hanson Advisers, estimates that 1.3 million people, or seven per cent of Canadian workers, are employed in the construction industry, with housing being the main driver. He argued in a recent report that a U.S.-sized housing slowdown could result in the loss of 370,000 jobs and push the unemployment rate well over nine per cent, compared to 7.2 per cent now. And that doesn’t include job losses in related industries.

Equally important is the psychological effect that even a moderate slump in home prices will have on consumers. As people watch their net worth crumble—at least on paper—they are less likely to spend money on everything from new dishwashers to automobiles. “We talk about having a strong housing market because we have a strong economy,” Rabidoux says. “But it’s also true that our economy is strong because we have a strong housing sector.” He estimates that as much as 27 per cent of GDP can be linked to Canada’s housing market, a disproportionately large number compared to other countries, including the U.S. at its peak. “Take it away and that alone puts us into a recession, given where we are,” Rabidoux says.

In such a scenario, the homeowners most at risk are those who are overextended. Of the $570 billion in mortgages that the CMHC insures, about half are borrowers with less than 20 per cent equity in their homes. “If housing lands hard and affects the broader economy, many people will find themselves effectively underwater at a time when they would most need mobility to pursue employment,” Rabidoux says. “In this scenario, a house becomes a prison.” And it’s not necessarily condo buyers or those who paid over a million to live in a hot downtown neighbourhood who are most at risk. Rabidoux says people who shelled out for sprawling “McMansions” in the suburbs could be in particular trouble, as the demand for oversized homes is expected to fall out of favour when baby boomers retire and seek out smaller living spaces closer to the city. Indeed, that’s precisely what happened in the U.S., where some estimates peg the number of unwanted “large-lot” homes at about 40 million across the country. As for smaller houses, Andrew says there remains a shortage of single-family homes in cities like Toronto and Vancouver, which should keep demand relatively high. “If you are buying a three- or four-bedroom house right now, then I think you’re going to be okay,” he says.

Flaherty is still going to have a dilemma on his hands. Falling house prices don’t win votes. And there are already calls from the real estate industry to roll back the most recent mortgage rule changes. But most economists agree a correction is both necessary and long overdue. The average debt-to-income ratio of a Canadian household is now 164 per cent, higher than the pre-crash levels in the U.S. A recent survey by BMO found that one-third of Canadians have cut back on spending to make their mortgage payments. Seventeen per cent dipped into savings.

None of it bodes well for the country’s ability to absorb another economic shock. When the financial crisis hit, Ottawa responded by buying up $69-billion worth of bank-owned mortgages, encouraging financial institutions to keep lending. After a brief dip, the housing sector bounced back and carried the economy on its shoulders. But today consumers are tapped out just as a new round of macro-threats has emerged. It’s widely believed that the U.S.—and, hence, Canada—could face another recession unless Republicans and Democrats in Washington are able to agree on a comprehensive deficit-fighting plan. Even if the so-called fiscal cliff (a combination of tax increases and planned spending cuts) is avoided, the U.S. government’s longer-term debt troubles could stalk the economy for years to come. At the same time, the European debt crisis and China’s faltering growth have created a gloomy global outlook, threatening Canada’s large, export-oriented resource sector. With demand for oil falling and increased output from the Bakken shale formation in North Dakota depressing prices, some Canadian energy companies have already cut back on spending, threatening another key economic driver. Suncor, for one, recently said it would review expansion of three major oil sands projects. Talisman Energy is also forecasting spending cuts of as much as 25 per cent next year. The drag is being reflected in GDP. Reduced global demand for oil and gas and manufacturing dragged down the third quarter’s anemic 0.6 per cent growth, as did reduced business investment and a drop in exports, according to Statistics Canada.

Bay Street is getting nervous. Avery Shenfeld, chief economist at the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce, recently warned Ottawa to “be careful what you wish for” when it comes to winding down the housing market. He argued in a report that “a five per cent per year drop in housing prices, for example, would shed roughly a half-point off GDP growth through its wealth effect on consumer spending.” He added: “That makes it even more urgent that the global economy is healthier come 2014, when the full bite of a housing slump on domestic activity will be felt.”

It all amounts to a dramatic reversal of fortune for Canadians, albeit one we brought on ourselves. Back in 2009, our hot housing market acted as a life preserver in a sea of economic uncertainty. Now it feels more like a cinder block tied around our necks.
 
Condo 平台上趴着的都是什么? ugly ducks 吗? :D:D:D



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Some comments are interesting:

Jim
I find it odd that some are now claiming that the housing market cannot
survive under the same conditions that were considered normal back in
2006.

Too bad that It looks like we are damned either way. We have rising interest rates on one side. This will eventually lead to higher payments. Obviously the highly leveraged will be hurt the most.

But if the economy goes the other way, we have rising unemployment, and loss of income that will squeeze people. Just when people need to unload their houses and move to find employment, the over leveraged will find themselves trapped, upside down on their mortgages.

Regardless of the source of the initial prick, the entire economy will be knee capped once the direct and indirect GDP growth that is derived from inflated housing prices, is removed.

Why aren't Canadians calling out Harper Inc. on there failed policy of 0/40 CHMC insured mortgages?

Rob
Someone please explain how investing in a $280,000 brand new 400 square foot bachelor apartment is wise in downtown toronto??? Whether your plan is sell to a greater fool in a couple years when the project is complete thinking the price will go higher still ~ is total insanity...or rent out to some future student that is willing and able to pay $1500 a month to live in a claustrophobic hole in the sky. At best this is a $75,000 shoebox at true value...Smart investors have already sold out...there is no place to go but down... The 1989 GTA housing crash is going to look like a picnic...This is going to get ugly fast people!!!

AnOxInCowtown
Burn baby burn.

carl
Go to mls.ca and and kijiji.ca look at the rentals downtown and I think you will take back your comments. location is key anywhere in the world and downtown Toronto $1,500/m for a bachelor (without parking and locker) is consistent.
Toronto is still cheap for a major city

sean nethercott
Mainly because rents are a function of prices - if your mortgage + tax + maintenance is 2000 per month are you going to sell it or lose 1000 per month renting - the bigger problem is when prices drop and there are no more tennants with jobs to pay 1500 per month - then what -

Guexx
Have u ever traveled around the world ? Toronto Prices condo prices are still low.

Rob
My advice to people like you ~ keep investing in GTA real estate...if that's what you call it ~ see how fast you're underwater...running for the exits with your hair on fire!!!

Stats Professor
Yeah. Can find a lot cheaper in nicer areas with better weather.

sean nethercott
Really, how so

Paul Constable
When you invest in a $280,000 brand new condo in Toronto and you sell it for $100K more than what you bought it for, that might be considered a good investment.

sean nethercott
hindsight is 20 20 - I should have bought apple stock for $15 per share 9 years ago ..... makes your condo look like a bad investment at $446 a share now .... History is just that - do you think there is another 100k in that condo

Rob
Explain to me how buying a 400 square foot bachelor apartment with no bedroom for $280,000 is investing and not speculating...it's a 400 square foot claustrophobic box...it's true value is $75,000 at best.
That's the issue here ~ there are too many unsophisticated speculators that know nothing about investing. Anyone paying today's prices is no different than gambling. This is gambling on a large scale ~ one wrong move can put you in bankruptcy quickly.
Prices have gone too far too fast...fueled by speculators thinking they are investors because it has continued to go up...wait when it turns the other way. 'Greed' fueled the run up...'Fear' will power it all the way down.

sean nethercott
The fundamental problem with ÈinvestingÈ in real estate is that people do not understand how prices for the commodity (housing) are determined. Realtors babble about location and supply, but as we can see from the divergence between the Canadian and US markets, that is nonsense.

Prices in real estate are set by municipal development costs (ie. taxes) which are passed on to new home & condo buyers, and thus influence existing sale prices, mortgage underwriting (interest rates + GDR & TDR limits + credit) and employment.

Canada now has very very high development costs (taxes) on new development, veryt very very leniant underwriting practices mainly due to horrendous risk management by the CHMC, and so far stead employment.

Now, prices relative to other countries, cities, etc are irrelevent - yes a condo in new york, london or Hong kong costs more, byt these are all constrained by geography and much much larger and more affluent cities than Toronto. Vancouver has the physical restrains of geography (and bad planning) and toronto has the population, but Calgary has the highest median income ....

Clearly Canada has an issue that housing prices are too high compared to our direct competitors for labor and economic output (ie. compare Vancouver to Seattle and Portland, not London and NYC), Toronto to other rust belt cities - because in the longer term, supply and demand for cheaper labor and lower taxes will move the non bank & construction jobs to those other places.

This is why Calgary had a major housing correction in 2008 - 2013 as jobs moved to Texas, Oklahoma, Lousiana, etc ... because people can work for 35k per year in those place and own a home! Why would anyone operate a car plan or manufacturing facility in toronto or Vancouver where peopel need 60k per year to give 80% of their pay to housing payments .... Move to Ohio, Michigan, NC, Penn ....

McRocket
Many of you people sound like those talking up housing in '07 and stocks in '01.

Look around people. Europe is in a recession with no end in sight. Japan is a mess with a stagnant stock market and gigantic national debt. China's situation is uncertain at best. And American government officials (gov't/Fed) are pouring about $2 trillion per year into the economy and still it barely stays afloat.
Some emerging market countries are doing well - but they can hardly raise up the rest.

The West's (including Japan) addiction to private/public debt is slowly starting to strangle it's economies.

Anyone that thinks this is just a speed bump is (imo) naive in the extremis and not looking at the facts clearly.

Mauvilla
Very well said. There is simply too much debt in the world. Debt that will never (can never) be paid off. The Government strategy of moving this bad debt from those responsible to taxpayers will have disastrous consequences.

Jo-Ann Isaac
That's why we need a whole new world order instead of the big companies dictating to us to be robots we need to share in everything that the earth provides without a high dollar value slapped on it. Basic human rights should not have a price, and it's always the white and blue collar that get hit the hardest. Here is Vancouver, we now have tolls, carbon taxes, and next will be higher property taxes to pay for infrastructure just so these game players can say they have GDP. China may fare well now that Canada is selling them our oil, they can continue to build their ghost cities so that their illusional GDP can fool the rest of the world while their people suffer and can't afford anything they build, which in turn they will become the superpower. Why the heck does Harper not see this was a bad deal, everyone is going under and we still had our resources to extract and use to create jobs and still have some export. But no, he wants it all before he leaves office so bring on the big equipment and forget about the little guys who will need these jobs and resources to survive in the future. We can't drink bitumen Harper, extract the proper way, but I guess the time it takes to use manpower instead of big equipment is way too slow for him. I sure hope China has promised him a mayoral position in one of their ghost cities because once he is out of office and held his word "that we would not recognize canada when he is done", some of us are not going to enjoy the new Canada.

guill
Every single cent of debt has its counterpart somewhere.

Matt
On a ledger in a bank's book...

LivingInTheRealWorld
"Every single cent of debt has its counterpart somewhere." -- you do not know how reserve ratio banking works. For every cent the bank has it can lend out 10, and it continues exponential..who and how are we supposed to pay for this made up money that is in the trillions now?

sean nethercott
You missed the real key - the banks create completely interest free the 10 cents they lend out, and then charge us interest on it (hence banking is nothing more than a taxation scheme by which shareholders of banks charge us to use government backed money). Earlier, banks had to assume the risk that when they lent out too much, the people would not pay it back and the bank would go sideways (banker would be lynched and the world would reset). Today, the banks have the taxpayers (for whom the moneys is issued to begin with, who pay all the interest to the banks for basically doing nothing, and then tell us about debt and investment) insure or guarantee all the debts - so on top of charging trillions in interest for actually putting up nothing of value, they no longer take any risks. This is why capitalism will fail within 50 years ....

Mauvilla
Very true. Most people don't understand where money comes from. Only a small percentage is printed by a government treasury. When someone takes out a mortgage, the bank doesn't use actual cash reserves to lend. Someone at the bank simply hits the "enter" key on a computer and creates the mortgage balance that will have to be paid back to the bank. A Bank Charter is a license to print money. The world changed in 2008. The politically connected scam artists' on Wall St., Bay Street, etc. made some calls and now all taxpayers are on the hook for trillions of bad debt. Nobody went to jail. No punishment whatsoever. Now that the banks are backstopped by every living, breathing taxpayer, and there is no consequence for their behavior - there is no incentive for bankers to do anything but double down on their risky behavior. I think we will be very lucky if the present system makes it another 50 years.

CSieff
Everybody is an expert. You guys have no idea what you are talking about, keep watching YouTube.

CSieff
Debt and deficits aren't as huge a problem as individuals such as yourself are making it out to be. If you were "looking at the facts clearly" you would understand that the majority of the U.S deficit is a result of the gap in current GDP to potential GDP and the result of increased spending for social programs. These trends are all reversing in a positive direction and the "deficit" may not exist in a few years time. Overall, a debt ratio of 75% percent debt:GDP is actually manageable.

Please read Paul Krugman's blog with the NYT. He is a noble prize winning economist who bases his arguments on the "facts"(i.e official numbers/graphs/data) as opposed to widespread "economic stereotypes" regarding debt/austerity/spending.

Adam C
As long as people can borrow money, this housing bubble will keep on going. From experience in the industry, this new generation of first time home buyers will literally borrow as much as the bank will lend. I'm seeing people living on credit cards with no hope of getting out of debt. This entire 'recovery' is being fuelled by debt.

I'm not seeing factories opening with mass hiring, or industry labour shortages. We are seeing thousands lining up for a job at Costco.

So housing values are rocketing up, my house has gone up $100,000 in 3 years, according to MPAC. No one can find good jobs, lots out of work. Everyone is deep in debt. This doesn't add up, the fundamentals are not right for a real estate boom. This has to be a debt fuelled bubble. When those interest rates stop being manipulated down by the central banks, look out.

sean nethercott
What you are referring to is inelastic demand for credit. Marx (you know the commie guy) identified this in the 19th century, that credit and fractional reserve so distorted the basic premise of capitalism (supply and demand determining price and allocation of resources) that it was just another form of feudalism. People will borrow money until they cant anymore (ie they get cut off) Currently Canadians are addicted to debt, and housing debt is a serious problem .... The solution to this is a crash and resetting of prices of course.

Michael Jakobczak
There is some truth to that statement. As individuals we are suckers for people who will lend us money or allows us to buy things we may not be able to afford. But hey who am I say no to money...haha

elvan
Oh come on there should be decline. You know that because these prices are not nottt realllllll.

vivien
this is true

Bob Jones
So prices have CRUMBLED in Vancouver to their lowest point in a decade, 3.5% BELOW THEIR HIGH LAST MAY- a housing crisis indeed! Boy has the bottom ever dropped out of the market, quick, panic, panic, panic. An excellent piece of yellow journalism - keep up the good work Macleans.

Andrew_notPorC
Read again. SALES crumbled, not prices.

lol
Learn to read between the lines... when sales crumble, prices will follow. duh.

Andrew_notPorC
I can read just fine. I was correcting someone who didn't.

wang chung
ur wrong - prices follow a decline in sales only if the decline in sales is not accompanied by a decline in inventory. u have a ceteris paribus mentality, andrew.

wang chung
***...ceteris paribus mentality, lol.

Bob Jones
The way the sentence is written is to imply that sales crumbling is equivalent to prices falling rapidly-hence the headline-there is no other reason to structure that passage in that manner. A balanced approach would have clearly indicated that while sales volumes are lower, prices have remained relatively stable.

TSYM
I agree with Bob

Michael Jakobczak
Some good points. I always think it's funny how everyone is so quick to comment but so slow to invest in these areas...hmmm...and the obvious answer will always be "well I don't live there, why would I invest there"

wesvvv
The average price is down 14%. The 3.5% number is the fudged fake number the RE board concocts.

Steve
Very true - the Home Price Index was invented by the realtors to paint a rosy picture. Always look at median and average prices.

Matt
Well, median and average prices are too influenced by what is selling, whereas indexes are good to know what the same property would have changed. If only rich people are buying the median and average prices will be high but that doesn't mean much for first time buyers.

sean nethercott
Trusting a realtor about investment value of real estate is like getting medical advice from a coke dealer ....

sean nethercott
Prices are a trailing indicator - the point of the article is that economic data is usually 6 months to 1 year behind the changes in the market housing prices themselves ten to trail by 60 - 90 days, and since it is not a uniform good (average house price does not measure the average house, but the average house sold, so 10 20 million dollar house out of 5000 400k houses skew the number, so median would be a better measure to begin with ....)

Kelly Lambert
Poor old Bob, stuck in an overpriced house when the collapse hit. Now he's panicking and it shows.

knob gobbler
bob is obviously able to see something the rest of u cant. have look at the stats for the GTA - there is no question that the long-term trend is getting out of hand, prices have next to no correction since 1970. But the current situation is completely seasonally regular - look at the data here: www.guava.ca

when an article about real estate and economics appears in a mediocre general-circulation publication such as macleans preaching a bearish sentiment... its time to think about buying real-estate, not buy into the fear mongering.

woody stroker
poor kelly - renting since 1990 while all her friends have banked on tax free capital gains.

Matt
Really? No property or school taxes? No interest charges? No upkeep? Where is that, I want to move there.

Coup
what's 3.5% of the average price in vancouver, and also don't forget whatever the realtors are charging - how many x 10Ks is that that's no longer in homeowners' pockets if they choose to sell? Id feel like prices have crumbled if I were selling in Van right now.

D Heaslip
This article is almost pure crap, it's this kind of stuff that creates fear in everyone. Listen if I constantly predicted a crash, a crash, a crash eventually it's gonna happen, what goes up must come down. Every 6 months print another article saying the sky is falling, and the one time that's true you can puff out your chest and say "see I told you so" but forget about all those other times you predicited a crash and it never happened. Over construction in Toronto is very obvious, and prices in Vancouver are unaffordable for the majority of average working Canadians, even with two good household incomes. But the country does not exisit solely on Vancouver and Toronto, in fact in almost every other city across the country (London/Sudbury/ Regina/ Edmonton etc) prices are still steady and sales are still strong.
The biggest reason we are seeing a slump in the Canadian Real Estate market is because of changes made this past summer to mortgage rules, changing the max amortization period from 30 years to 25 years, had a huge impact on consumers so did requiring a min of 25% down for any home over 1 million dollars, it's had a huge impact almost the same as an interest rate increase of 2%, at first I thought this change won't effect the majority of people, because how many people are buying a 1 million dollar home, but it's a domino effect. The person selling their home for a million can't sell, therefor the person wanting to buy and in turn sell their home at $750k can't, and so on and so on. Also if you were paying let's say $1500 per month before in mortgage payments because your mortgage was amortized over 30 years and now you want to buy a new house, even if you have a 15% down payment your going to have to use CMHC or Gemworth etc. to insure your mortgage and you may end up with $1800 per month mortgage payments because you'll only have 25 years to pay off your mortgage, that's a big enough deterant for many people to stay put or not even enter the housing market all togther.
And seriously your first indication of a crash was your neighbour commenting that someone got too much for their house, most people think their neighbours get way to much for their homes, that's nothing to base an argument for a housing crash. I'm glad this article was free and I didn't actually pay for this crap, save my pennies for the mortgage payment I'm apparently not going to be able to meet.

amadome
i have seen this before, it is coming, winnipeg prices are thru the roof cannot get more middle Canada than that, it is a wave and it is crashing when i do not no, but gravity is setting in

EconomicDepression
You probably don't get it..another fool who believes a roof over our heads should COST MORE. Thats like saying I want my gas to go up..or my food or my refrigerator. Im so excited to see my cost of living SKYROCKET! YIPEE! Most people don't understand how bubbles work. EVERYTHING is a bubble! Your life, a tree, the stockmarket, currencies, TV prices, ipads, ipods, computer prices, tulips, Iranian carpets, your JOB..the list is endless. LEARN how the world works before you post GARBAGE
 
见不到底,你抄不抄?
 
正好想搬到多伦多去呢。
 
惨了,吓的脚骨发软了。
 
Builder 最近Inventory Home 多起来了, Inventory Home 多半是付了定金到closing day时要么没工作, 或Mortgage出问题, 无法closing的.
 
Builder 最近Inventory Home 多起来了, Inventory Home 多半是付了定金到closing day时要么没工作, 或Mortgage出问题, 无法closing的.

热狗老大,这个inventory home的定义是谁告诉你的。
 
回调有可能,崩盘扯蛋。
好location, 回调都会很小。
去年硅谷房价涨了14%!
 
热狗老大,这个inventory home的定义是谁告诉你的。

我说的是多半, 不时全部.
还有一部分是Builder一些没有卖出去的lot, 自己盖, 希望早点把库存处理掉, 把Site Office撤掉.
 
我说的是多半, 不时全部.

还有一部分是Builder一些没有卖出去的lot, 自己盖, 希望早点把库存处理掉, 把Site Office撤掉.

啥inventory,都是骗人的,都是他们自己替客户选的大众模式
 
如果房地产泡沫真的破裂,CONDO应该是最惨的,我11年去美国时,CONDO不到两万都没人买,问了问当地人为什么不买,他们说,condo fee长得太快,如果一个100Units的大楼,住满时,condo fee平均也就300/月,但如果一半Foreclose了,没人住了,管理公司为了不亏损,就会把condo fee涨到600/月,如果就1/3的condo有人住,condo fee就会涨到900。
 
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