回国几个很现实的问题

guest · 2001-08-22

<HTML>回国几个很现实的问题
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作者：摘自<旅加之路>
对于我来说,回不回国与爱不爱国完全没有关系.我想回国有很现实的理由.

(1)生活的品质

很多人认为在美国的生活的品质比中国高.我不这么看.当然,从一些纯硬件的方面来看,美国是比中国好.比如说污染少,基础设施齐全,法制完备等等.但是,另一个方面,美国的消费也高.在美国如果你年薪5万美元,你就请不起保姆.而在中国

你如果年薪只有2万5美元,每个月花个500-800人民币就可以请一个很好的保姆了.就算不要保姆,一个星期20元请一个钟点工打扫房间,也很便宜.我女朋友就是这样.我的好几个国内的朋友都是这样.所以他们有大量的时间去看电影,听音乐会,旅游,读书,上茶馆,搞聚会等等.对比之下,我很要好的一个朋友,做计算机的Consultant,两口子的收入将近20万美元,但是两个人通常要8点钟才到家,吃完饭10点钟,看看电视就睡觉了.我的朋友经常还要在周末加班,如果不加班也没有闲着,因为刚买的房子有一大堆事要弄,比如除草,粉刷车库,修水管...生活得远不如我那些在国内的同学潇洒,虽然他们看起来很成功.(国内有那个一年赚几十万人民币的大款会自己去修水管?)

还有房子.美国的房子的确比中国漂亮,有院子,有草坪.但我是在中国长大的,在上海给我一套120平方米的公寓,我也觉得很舒服.但是,上海120平方米的公寓(当然不是说最贵的),大概60万人民币左右就好了.也就是7万多美元.如果有一份年

薪3万美元的工作,几年就可以买房子.而在纽约(别说硅谷了),一般的房子都要20多万美元.贷款要10年15年才可以还清.所以,在中国只要用比美国少得多的钱就可以实现所谓的美国梦了.那么接下来每个月的收入就可以用来享受生活了.

多少在美国的中国人尽管踏入白领阶层,但老是要等到discount,onsale的时候去买东西?为了省几美元而多开几里路,或者专门等到macy,jcpenny降价才去买?如果我在中国有2-3万人民币一个月,我就可以随心所欲地买东西而不用看price

tag.(当然,这是在我买了房子和车子以后).我想将来在我开始享受生活的时候,我那些留在美国的朋友很可能还在为还清房屋贷款而奋斗.

至于贪污腐败,hey,有钱什么搞不定?而且这是江泽民关心的事,老百姓管不着.

(2)机会多

还是用我的朋友做例子.他CS毕业5年,年薪12,13万美元.但是,作为搞电脑的工薪阶层,这已经差不多到顶了.他刚刚30岁,以后除了自己办公司,打工是很难有大突破了.我读书的学校不错,CS的master毕业出来一般都有6-7万起薪.去硅谷则7-8万.几年后我也可以达到他现在的收入,butwhatnext?而如果拿了美国学位,再有几年工作经验,回国很容易进入公司的高级管理层.不象在美国,混个VP就是很不得了的事了.

有时候问题不在于你挣多少钱,而在于你交往的人的层次.在美国的中国人决大部分最多混个中层管理人员.但如果回到国内,就很快梢越?敫卟?如果你天天打交道的都是总经理,董事长一个层面的人,那么你的事业发展的机会就会比一般人

大得多.虽然在中国当个副总的收入没有在美国做个projectmanager高.但是,中国人的收入提高很快.10年前月薪1万是很不得了的事.现在在我认识的人当中比比皆是.所以,以中国现在的发展速度,20年以后,谁厉害真的就很难说了.

(3)文化问题

我的英文口语,发音都没问题(呵呵,我本科读的就是英语语言文学).和老美打交道也没有障碍.但是,我更加喜欢中国的文化.我骨子里还是中国人.美国人不知道金庸,我也永远不会对橄榄球感兴趣.的确,回国了我就没法去看hicago,MissSaigon之类的BroadwayShow,没机会去LincolnCenter听音乐会,去看GarthBrooks的演唱会,没有机会再去Manhattan的SOHO

去看画展,去GreenwichVillage的酒吧喝酒...但我国内有一大群好朋友,大家可以一起去喝酒,跳舞,去吃狗肉火锅(呵呵).几个电话就可以召集一群人.在这里,每个人都忙得一塌糊涂,一个月都见不了几面.生活太没劲,太无聊了.实在是不好玩.

(5)活力

在美国住久了,就觉得这个国家没什么活力.我想20年前的纽约和现在的纽约没什么区别,20年后的纽约也是这个老样子.曼哈顿上面要起什么新大楼,纽约时报还专门有报道.纽约都如此,其他中部和南部的小城就跟不用说了.那些地方的人,一句话,"土".呵呵,以前我没出国前很崇洋媚外,只要是美国来的人就觉得他们很"先进".现在来了才知道很多美国人对外国的了解贫乏,自以为是,土不拉几的.我一个上海98年刚来美国的同学就对美国大失所望.纽约,旧金山这些地方很多地方也是破破烂烂的.后来在美国再转了一圈,才知道纽约,旧金山还算是好的.南方的有些房子更旧.回去看看广州,上海,北京这些城市,天天都在发生变化.虽然比美国的城市乱,比美国的城市脏,但是那当中有一种勃勃向上的活力.不仅是hardware在变,人的观念也在变.国家的政策也在变.而且是越变越好.比如最近刚出台的有关个人只要有1元注册资本就可以开公司的法律.比如对电信垄断的打破.比如对金融系统的整顿,对国家机关的精简(我父亲告诉我他们那里要精简47%的人员).我可以预见,加入WTO后,中国的变化会更快,也会变得更好.能够投身参与这么一个历史性巨变时期,并实实在在为中国市场

经济的发展做一点事,比起每天朝9晚5,一成不变地在美国人公司里打工,更让我兴奋.我有希望,我知道明天会更好.

最后,我发现90年代出来的留学生比80年代出来的留学生更容易接受我的观点.大概,90年代的中国和国际更接轨,所以也就更容易对美国不以为然.而很多80年代的留学生对中国的印象还是停留在他们那个年代.我刚到美国是就觉得美国不过如此而已,从来没有什么culturalshock.我想很多最近过来的留学生也有类似体会吧?
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guest · 2001-08-23

<HTML>这位言之有理</HTML>

guest · 2001-08-23

<HTML>Your own opinion. Btw, where are you living now?</HTML>

guest · 2001-08-23

Who give you USD30K in China? ???

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guest · 2001-08-23

RE: Who give you USD30K in China? ???

<HTML>仁兄说的在理!!!

我就是一个想回国发展的人. 我以前在国内的外企工作了6年(13500的月薪,在1998年), 来加拿大前的年薪和目前在加拿大的工资差不多.我真是想马上回国. 猎头公司告我在北京, 我这样资历的人在北京的外企至少可以有16000以上的月薪.

可恶的183天限制, 不然, 我马上走了. 大家都为了图个身份, 可有人可以告诉我这个身份有何用吗?

其实我每天上班, 一点都不闲. 这是内心无聊, 寂寞. 我不认为加拿大的生活比法国(或西欧国家)好多少, 只是加拿大给你个"LANDING"纸....

真是....一声叹息....

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guest · 2001-08-23

RE: 有理

<HTML>你谈的这些感触很好。人活着除了挣钱，还有个心情的问题。如果长期
生活在忙碌和压力的情况下。即使挣很多钱又有何用？更何况在国外并
没有挣多少钱。存的那点钱大多是靠着一点点的节约，不舍得穿，不舍得
买新东西，四处买旧货。我家的老人从国内来探亲跟我说，感到我们在国
外的实际生活水平比他们在国内设想的要差得多。 </HTML>

guest · 2001-08-23

RE: 有理

<HTML>I bet you guys will still stay here.We'll see.

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guest · 2001-08-23

RE: 有理

<HTML>I bet you guys will still stay here.We'll see.

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guest · 2001-08-23

RE: 有理

<HTML>Too many positions u can have US$30,000/yr in China....</HTML>

guest · 2001-08-23

RE: 岂有此理

<HTML>"Too Many positions u can have US$30,00/yr in China"
I suppose that we should add inverted comma for your sentence.
I do know some people get good money in China, and I used to be one of them. But when you look at those poor people live in the same city and same conutry as you who only have 600RMB per month. What you will think again?
I always remember once I met one friend of my papa, he asked me how's my life in BJ. When I told him that I rent a apartment at 3000RMB per month, he said nothing to me. He turned back and talked with his wife that I must have an uptight life in BJ after I spend 3000RMB for the apartment, becuase he thinks 3000RMB is a quite big amount, and it takes him to work over half a year.
I am not a hero, so I don't know how to save those people. What I can do is to save my family, my parents and my kid(in future).

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guest · 2001-08-23

From Shanghai

<HTML>I just left BJ, and I am in Shanghai now. I was told that average income per capita in BJ in 2000 is 10,300, and per employee was 15,000. But the people laid off (xia guang) after 3 year contract period will consider be unemployed, and will get 300-400 per mth. In other city, 150-200 per mth. I and three my colleagu spend around 300-400 yuan each meal for the last 7 days. You might get 30k US in China, just like you hold Nortel stock when it was worth $128. Have you think about market risk if you are laid off (or you can guarantee you always have a high pay job even in the great depression in 1930's. I remembered during 1950-1960's, many African heads of tribal chief (qiu zhang) got Ph.D. in France or Britian, but they still went back to their home country and tribal to be head, instead stay in France as a ordinary people. They like power and social position, instead of personal achievement. Think about risk and opportunity cost. Nortel stock does not always go up or stay higher, it might drop down. BTW, how much is it now? Report from Shanghai Jianguo Hotel. </HTML>

guest · 2001-08-24

RE: From Shanghai

<HTML>understood why u go back to china now, hehe.
hope they are not typo

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guest · 2001-08-25

RE: From Ottawa

<HTML> I think my life in China is better than Now. I really miss my friends there. I maybe go back China when I get my Canadian passport.But my family hopes me to stay here. How about this? Give me some advice.Thank you!</HTML>

guest · 2001-08-27

From Chengdu (CD)

<HTML>I am in Chengdu now, left SH last Sunday (I travel back in China for business, and will back to Ottawa soon). Living in China is amaizing, only if you are in the top 10% group. You can buy a 208 sq. m townhouse for about $120,000 CAN in Shanghai. However, average income per employee in SH was 10,900 yuan in 2000, and 8,900 yuan in Chengdu. Since there are more low income earners than high income, the medium number will be lower than the average. In my last report, there is no typo. Xia Gang worker get 300-400 yuan each month (for your information, according to Canada Government rates, the meal allowance per day in BJ is 428 yuan, and 528 yuan in SH, plus 25% incidental allowance).

Hallxiang: If you can not control your own future, you'd better go back to China to stay with your family. Canadian possport does not guarantee a happy life. A matured person will bear the result, after he/she makes a decision, no matter the result is desired or undesired.
Report from Chengdu Huayang Hotel.</HTML>

guest · 2001-08-27

From Chengdu (CD)

<HTML>I am in Chengdu now, left SH last Sunday (I travel back in China for business, and will back to Ottawa soon). Living in China is amaizing, only if you are in the top 10% group. You can buy a 208 sq. m townhouse for about $120,000 CAN in Shanghai. However, average income per employee in SH was 10,900 yuan in 2000, and 8,900 yuan in Chengdu. Since there are more low income earners than high income, the medium number will be lower than the average. In my last report, there is no typo. Xia Gang worker get 300-400 yuan each month (for your information, according to Canada Government rates, the meal allowance per day in BJ is 428 yuan, and 528 yuan in SH, plus 25% incidental allowance).

Hallxiang: If you can not control your own future, you'd better go back to China to stay with your family. Canadian possport does not guarantee a happy life. A matured person will bear the result, after he/she makes a decision, no matter the result is desired or undesired.
Report from Chengdu Huayang Hotel.</HTML>

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