也谈“美安”

Josephli

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听朋友说,现浯太华有一中文网站,非常高兴。进来几次,颇有收获。但最近读到有些帖子,有 点想法。今就以美安 为题,说说我个人的看法,与大家共勉。因本人敲 中文 很 慢 , 请 恕我下面用英文写。

I think I know a little about the business "Market America" and also a little about the "Chuan Xiao" in China. Some of my friends in China participated in Chuan Xiao and lost all of their investments. It was like this: one sold something to you at price X, you sold the same thing to a third person at price X+y, .... to the end, the price became crazy. All of a sudden, the first guy took all the money and disappearred. So I fully supported the policy of the government to ban such activities.

Market America (MA) is one of many companies doing the so-called network marketing business in US and Canada. There are strict rules and regulations about such business in both countries. Generally speaking, a business that has been in operation for many years should be legal. Otherwise, it should have been found out by governments already. I even read a document from the General Council (may not be the exact name) of the US (unfortunately I can't remember where I read it) which specified situations where activities may be illegal. From what I can remember, if a business doesn't sell products but makes money from membership fees of members, the business is most likely an illegal business.

Certainly something is legal doesn't necessarily mean it is definitely good. I also fully agree that friends should treat each other frankly and honestly. Of course, it is possible a person believes something is very good and wants to share with a friend. But you have the choice to say NO. I don't think anyone will force you to do anything here in this country. My friends encouraged me to go to Church I refused. My friends invited me to Casino I refused. However, we are still good friends. Friends don't have to be the same. On the contrary, friends should share ideas, point out what you think are wrong, and respect your differences. We came from a remote place. Friendship is more valuable than any other things. I know many people will disagree but this is my opinion.

What I said above is to say NO to something you don't agree with. On the other hand, we also should learn how to open our mind and have the courage to try something that is legal but you are not sure about. To look around, why don't we see as many successful, influential Chinese as others? Certainly we have a lot of difficulties. But we have to admit many of us don't have the courage to try something new. As far as I know, many people tried MA and left the business. I don't see that much a damage done. Perhaps this is also a good experience after all.

Here I'd like to say a few words to those friends who are still working on MA. Criticism from others may be helpful. As Chairman Mao said, correct those problems if you have, avoid those problems if you don't have.

Let's work together, help each other and build a unified, strong, loving Chinese community in Ottawa! Remember we are minority here and we need everyone of us to have a strong voice in this country.
 
最初由 Josephli 发布
Of course, it is possible a person believes something is very good and wants to share with a friend. But you have the choice to say NO. I don't think anyone will force you to do anything here in this country.

This kind of business does not want to share sth. with you. It's not "Share". It will give you a long long lecture, you will be forced to listen to it because it is from your friend's mouth, and you don't want to say no to your friend to let him embarrassed. You want to keep the friendship so you continue let your friend to have the right of speaking even when you do not want to listen.

Was I given the right to define it, I would like to call it "Spirit Rape" rather than "Share".


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最初由 Josephli 发布
听朋友说,现浯太华有一中文网站,非常高兴。进来几次,颇有收获。但最近读到有些帖子,有 点想法。今就以美安 为题,说说我个人的看法,与大家共勉。因本人敲 中文 很 慢 , 请 恕我下面用英文写。

I think I know a little about the business "Market America" and also a little about the "Chuan Xiao" in China. Some of my friends in China participated in Chuan Xiao and lost all of their investments. It was like this: one sold something to you at price X, you sold the same thing to a third person at price X+y, .... to the end, the price became crazy. All of a sudden, the first guy took all the money and disappearred. So I fully supported the policy of the government to ban such activities.

Market America (MA) is one of many companies doing the so-called network marketing business in US and Canada. There are strict rules and regulations about such business in both countries. Generally speaking, a business that has been in operation for many years should be legal. Otherwise, it should have been found out by governments already. I even read a document from the General Council (may not be the exact name) of the US (unfortunately I can't remember where I read it) which specified situations where activities may be illegal. From what I can remember, if a business doesn't sell products but makes money from membership fees of members, the business is most likely an illegal business.

Certainly something is legal doesn't necessarily mean it is definitely good. I also fully agree that friends should treat each other frankly and honestly. Of course, it is possible a person believes something is very good and wants to share with a friend. But you have the choice to say NO. I don't think anyone will force you to do anything here in this country. My friends encouraged me to go to Church I refused. My friends invited me to Casino I refused. However, we are still good friends. Friends don't have to be the same. On the contrary, friends should share ideas, point out what you think are wrong, and respect your differences. We came from a remote place. Friendship is more valuable than any other things. I know many people will disagree but this is my opinion.

What I said above is to say NO to something you don't agree with. On the other hand, we also should learn how to open our mind and have the courage to try something that is legal but you are not sure about. To look around, why don't we see as many successful, influential Chinese as others? Certainly we have a lot of difficulties. But we have to admit many of us don't have the courage to try something new. As far as I know, many people tried MA and left the business. I don't see that much a damage done. Perhaps this is also a good experience after all.

Here I'd like to say a few words to those friends who are still working on MA. Criticism from others may be helpful. As Chairman Mao said, correct those problems if you have, avoid those problems if you don't have.

Let's work together, help each other and build a unified, strong, loving Chinese community in Ottawa! Remember we are minority here and we need everyone of us to have a strong voice in this country.

I totally agree with this. First,I wanna say is Market America's distributors sell all the products at the same price. There's no price difference among members, no matter when they joined MA.
Secondly, some people say MA sets up many rules and regulations to get money from its own members. Every company has own strict rules and regulations, in a sense, they are taking something from employees too. so is this rebate as well? If it is, then every company in this world will be as "bad" as MA.

I really like the paragraph about friendship. Friends don't agree upon everything at all the time. Sharing MA information is like your friends found a good restaurant or a nice hair salon and then share with you. If you don't like or you don't want, would you say NO to your friends? Of course you will and you can do this. If you cannot say NO to a friend, that's your problem, not your friends'. Your friends didn't know you don't like this at the first place,right? If you don't like, just say NO, it would not damage your good friendship if the friendship is really there. If your friends don't talk to you anymore because you said NO, then they are not worth to be your friends, are they? So up to this point, it's totally up to you. It's your choice.

As a member of MA, I think everybody has the right to choose what to do with his/her life,as well as people doing MA. People don't make decisions without thinking. Everybody has his/her reasons to make a decision. So all the people choose MA are stupid? I don't think so. It's just like you choose a university. Even you chose a good one, it's up to you to get good grades. There are students fail, pass or excellent. If you failed, then would you blame this university? Find your own problems. In MA, there are many people doing really good, some people failed but they stayed in there and learned from failures. They have their beliefs, there's nothing wrong with having beliefs,right?

The last thing I wanna mention here is all people working with MA in Ottawa are not professional. We learned from our mistakes, maybe some members didn't do it in a right way, something like lied about a party is actually a presentation of MA . We don't deny we have problems, the point is we are brave enough to face our problems. People are allowed to make mistakes in their lives, nobody is perfect. We believe that MA will be developed better with our continous effort.

Thanks for you time and reading!
 
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Re: Re: 也谈“美安”

最初由 rain726 发布


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I really like the paragraph about friendship. Friends don't agree upon everything at all the time. Sharing MA information is like your friends found a good restaurant or a nice hair salon and then share with you. If you don't like or you don't want, would you say NO to your friends? Of course you will and you can do this. If you cannot say NO to a friend, that's your problem, not your friends'. Your friends didn't know you don't like this at the first place,right? If you don't like, just say NO, it would not damage your good friendship if the friendship is really there. If your friends don't talk to you anymore because you said NO, then they are not worth to be your friends, are they? So up to this point, it's totally up to you. It's your choice.

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Let's try to have an imagine.

One day, sb. knocks your door. You open the door, find a people standing outside. He is **. ...

He begins to talk with your about what he believes is true, about what he believes will bring money to him and to you as well.

He continue to talk untill you can't bear and say NO.


You have two choices of "**",
One Choice: your friend,
Another Choice: a stranger.

++++ A Stranger :

What you will do if he is a stranger? You will say "OK, just stop, I don't want to listen to it, pls. don't bother me". How aboout he continue to speak to you? You will say "Sir/Madam, I don't want to say but if you still like this, I will call police". Right?

++++ The result of a stranger is simple and no one get hurt. He left, and you may just forget this few days later.

++++ A friend (Even not very close):

What you will do if he is a friend? Could You still say sth. like above? Maybe you will say "OK, I think I am not interested in it, let's change another topice". How aboout he continue to speak to you? You will say "Hi, I must leaave, I have sth. to do today, sorry for I couldn't talk with you any more today.". Right?

++++ You know, that's the difference. That's the difference ways to say "NO". Only idiot will say "Shut up" to friends.


By the way, Do you also notice your example "Share a nice hair salon with a friend" means bringing "Pay out", not "income" to your friends?







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You know? That's all the "Chuan Xiao" companies do.

They want you find your friends, your friends' friends, and your friends' friends' friends.


Why they don't stand on the street and talk to strangers? They are afraid of strangers cause the strangers may call police to accuse them for bothering.

So what they do is finding friends and make more and more "friends".
 
Sorry I didn't reply to those of you who asked questions because I did check this forum regularly. If still interested, we can continue to discuss this and other matters.
 
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