王蒙:最美的愛情在小說裡

自己道聽途說,年輕的網路作家描寫性愛已經氾濫了。
上次讀到一個很有趣的,把一整個性交的過程用兩軍激戰的場面講出來,沒有一絲什麼堅硬柔軟的,黑色粉紅色的露骨。是圍城嗎?很有趣的藝術性表達。
如果是为了性爱描写看小说是不是太逊了,现在那么多视频网络,仅靠文字肯定不够啊..小说的魅力就是揭示那个场景后面的心理,如何表现人的内心才是小说的长处吧。
 
我觉得关键是,特别幸福的人体会不到人生的另一面。爱情小说要老是幸幸福福的就不好看了。
流芳百世的也都是悲剧多,人性里有一种天生的苦难心里,快乐容易被忘记,而苦难总是记得很牢。这也是为什么,生活里能感受快乐的人少,总在抱怨的人多
 
如果是为了性爱描写看小说是不是太逊了,现在那么多视频网络,仅靠文字肯定不够啊..小说的魅力就是揭示那个场景后面的心理,如何表现人的内心才是小说的长处吧。
自己道聽途說,年輕的網路作家描寫性愛已經氾濫了。
上次讀到一個很有趣的,把一整個性交的過程用兩軍激戰的場面講出來,沒有一絲什麼堅硬柔軟的,黑色粉紅色的露骨。是圍城嗎?很有趣的藝術性表達。

为性而写,那是成人文学。。。可是如果真的为写需要性呢,那也不是不可能。。。。可真心下不了手呀。。。。偶大爷得,一垒我就写死了,三垒就不想了吧。。。。。
 
是呀,我觉得要做作家真是得克服很多东西。。。。但真的很难啊,不说别的,要我写个拥抱的场面,我都能憋死。。。更别说别的了。。。。
同意,同意,试试写的时候忘记自己...可能是我们都太理智了,平时不太容易让感情跑野马..
 
同意,同意,试试写的时候忘记自己...可能是我们都太理智了,平时不太容易让感情跑野马..
你这点说得很对!太理智了,不会让自己肆意,即使是想像里。。。。老八很多话都符合我的心意,爱死你咧
 
流芳百世的也都是悲剧多,人性里有一种天生的苦难心里,快乐容易被忘记,而苦难总是记得很牢。这也是为什么,生活里能感受快乐的人少,总在抱怨的人多
人生其实本来就是挺悲剧的,人生八苦,生苦、老苦、病苦、死苦、爱别离苦、怨憎会苦、求不得苦、五阴炽盛苦....那一条都逃不掉
 
如果是为了性爱描写看小说是不是太逊了,现在那么多视频网络,仅靠文字肯定不够啊..小说的魅力就是揭示那个场景后面的心理,如何表现人的内心才是小说的长处吧。
唯美/意識流地描寫性愛,可以說是讓讀者自己的想像力發揮吧。
那麼影片可以解釋成觀眾放棄想像,接受聲光刺激。
 
流芳百世的也都是悲剧多,人性里有一种天生的苦难心里,快乐容易被忘记,而苦难总是记得很牢。这也是为什么,生活里能感受快乐的人少,总在抱怨的人多
心理學研究發現人有 negativity bias 的天性。但現下 "chick flick" (愛情喜劇) 很賣座的。
 
同意,同意,试试写的时候忘记自己...可能是我们都太理智了,平时不太容易让感情跑野马..
突然想到米蘭.昆德拉:人類一思考,上帝就發笑。(是米蘭這傢伙在 醜不如己者 吧。)
 
自己道聽途說,年輕的網路作家描寫性愛已經氾濫了。
这个不是网络作家的问题。严肃的作家也会这样。
现代的文学作品里,如果你要是想写性的话,就不能再像是十九世纪那样的写了。

《失乐园》是最好的典范。山田咏美的一上来就得了日本直川奖的《Bedtime Eyes》也是很好的典范。
文学进入二十一世纪,当初被当作禁书的劳伦斯式的小说早已经过去了。
 
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心理學研究發現人有 negativity bias 的天性。但現下 "chick flick" (愛情喜劇) 很賣座的。
还是跟对应的观众群有关,比如看美剧和看韩剧的绝对是两种思维和欣赏习惯的人,有的人在寻找寄托,有的人在寻找安慰,有的人在寻找真相....不好一概而论。
 
突然想到米蘭.昆德拉:人類一思考,上帝就發笑。(是米蘭這傢伙在 醜不如己者 吧。)
没看懂...
 
我也觉得有这个问题...但如果要当好的作家,可能必须要克服这种不适应吧,反正又不是写自传,坦率真挚的感情,细致准确的描写才能真正的打动读者...拥抱的小说就是以情取胜。
所以我觉得要少看中国的小说,多看日本和欧洲的小说。中国的小说这方便禁忌特别多,看多了就会自己落入那种禁忌里
 
太幸福的人,我觉得就不会有那种激情和欲望了,缺乏了激情和欲望,小说就不那么动人了。
当年王菲和窦唯新婚以后,窦唯的新作品一出炉就遭到吐槽....太幸福了,打动不了听众了...估计在看小说和听音乐的人们都是在作品中寻找人生意义和安慰的人吧....不过后来这两个人离婚后,窦唯也没有再拿出好作品...
 
这个不是网络作家的问题。严肃的作家也会这样。
现代的文学作品里,如果你要是想写性的话,就不能再像是十九世纪那样的写了。

《失乐园》是最好的典范。山田由美的一上来就得了日本直川奖的《Bedtime Eyes》也是很好的典范。
文学进入二十一世纪,当初被当作禁书的劳伦斯式的小说早已经过去了。
刚刚去GOOGLE了一下《Bedtime Eyes》,这个评论很逗:

This was actually 3 novellas, and the last one was actually pretty good, except for its last page or so. But it was nowhere near good enough to save this book from the gutter, because the first 2 are some of the worst things I've ever read.

I guess I'm a little biased, but I just can't stand most feminist porn, because, I don't know, I guess I'm just simple, but can anyone tell me why self-identified feminists always write such blatantly abusive, masochistic sex scenes? I actually can't think of a single sex scene written by a feminist writer that wasn't violent, and the women in these scenes LOVE it, like, somehow it's a show of a strong woman to enjoy getting the shit kicked out of you. Here's a funny part:

"'Fuck me, you bastard!' I screamed.
'You dirty bitch...' Leroy's fingers stopped moving.
He gave me a look of utter contempt. I was crying now, desperate for his touch.
'So you want me to fuck you, do you?'
I looked up at Leroy, tears in my eyes, and nodded. He spit in my face.
'Why don't you just kill me?'
'No,' he said quietly. 'I can do better than that.'"

Here's another funny part:
"I moaned, and Leroy slapped me hard across my face. My lip split and blood poured out. He hated me now. But I knew he loved me, too. He continued thrusting, trying to humiliate and defeat me, and I let him do what he wanted. I'd pretended not to recognize his genius and now I was being punished. He could do as he pleased with me. He'd earned the right.
I could tell he was feeling the same way now that he had two years earlier when he had fucked me by the piano. As soon as people had begun to recognize his talent, he had started a new life as that pianist. I wondered what else I could possibly do for him. Perhaps the only thing I was capable of was crying to make him feel superior.
I nearly lost consciousness a number of times, and Leroy was obviously very satisfied with his work. When he had finished I couldn't speak. My hair was plastered to my forehead with sweat and he brushed it away with his fingers so he could look into my eyes.
'Now I'm going to be living for the touch of your hands,' I confessed."

This is pretty typical of the garbage that makes up the first two thirds of this book. The last story was about the trouble a new girlfriend has with her boyfriend's 11 year old boy, a tragic kid totally a child of parents who hate each other, and it was actually pretty interesting.

I get the feeling Amy Yamada really wants to be American, she's totally obsessed with black Americans and black American culture, music, food, and in the last story, I didn't even know where it was supposed to be set. The main woman is Japanese, and the ex-wife of her boyfriend is Japanese, but everyone else in the story, the women and men both, have English names, and the kid asks for 5 dollars to buy a cheeseburger. What the shit?

Anyway, no no no
 
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