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When a Majority Is Not a Majority
Posted: 10/23/2015 5:47 pm EDT Updated: 10/23/2015 5:59 pm EDT
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We woke up on Tuesday to the news that the Liberals have won a majority in a landslide victory. This left me wondering how we have grown accepting of certain terms which do not reflect reality.

It is true that the Liberals have won the majority of seats in the House of Commons, 184 out of 338 (about 54 per cent), but only 39 per cent of those who voted chose Liberal candidates. How can this be called a landslide eludes me. More so, how and why do we use the word "majority" so freely without qualifying it?

This is not a partisan question. Four years ago the Conservatives took 39 per cent of the popular vote and were also a "majority."

The "majority" before that was another Liberal one in 2000 (the 2004, 2006 and 2008 elections produced minority governments since no party won over 50 per cent of the seats in the House of Commons). This 2000 "majority" was won with 41 per cent of the popular vote. And the "majority" before that, in 1997, was won with 38 per cent of the popular vote.

Do you know when was the last time we had a real majority government in Canada? It was back in 1984 when the Mulroney Conservatives got 50.03 per cent of the popular vote.

Using the term "majority" gives the impression that the party obtained the support of over half those who voted and thus is entitled to run the country with a free hand. There is no example that depicts this better than how the Harper government, chosen by 39 per cent, changed the Canada we knew so much as if it enjoyed the support of 70 per cent or more of the people.

And the ills of our current electoral system do not end there. On the other side of the spectrum, it denies a relevant presence in Parliament to parties that may enjoy up to 10 per cent of the popular vote. In 2008, the Green party took 6.8 per cent of the popular vote but won zero (no) seats in the Parliament.

In addition to giving too much power to those who should not have it and denying the smaller voices a chance to be heard, it discourages many from voting when they know that there is no hope for a candidate of the party they support in their riding. This forces people to chose candidates belonging to parties that may be their second or third choice to make their vote meaningful, rather than support the party and candidate whose ideas and ideals they believe in.

This is a faulty system which we should not sit quietly till it is again abused by another government, regardless of which party will be in power at that time.

What is the solution?

There is an electoral system usually refereed to as Proportional Representation (PR) that has many variants and is practiced in the vast majority of functional democracies around the world (including most European countries). Also, most countries newly introducing a democratic system adopt one of the variants of a PR system to ensure that the will of the people and their choices are truly reflected in parliament.

The result of any variant of the PR system is a parliament that reflects the choices of the population. No vote is lost and no vote is worth more than another.

The problem is that old habits die hard, and if we wait for those who benefited and are benefiting from a system to change it, our wait will be very long.

What Canada needs is a grassroots movement to demand that Canada adopt a PR system rather than ask the members of parliament who have enjoyed, are enjoying and hope to enjoy power because of a system that benefits them.

There is enough time for a movement to organize and grow effective to ensure that the October 2019 election will be fought under a fair, equitable and truly representative electoral PR system.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/ehab-lotayef/proportional-representation_b_8352040.html?ref=yfp
 
这篇文章可以留底。以后每次大选完都贴一遍。哪个党赢就换个党名,照样好使。
 
似乎他们美国佬的选举就是合理的似的。
 
村长这标题很有针对性啊。@uglyducking
 
似乎他们美国佬的选举就是合理的似的。
美国佬的选举也只是相对公正。当年小布什击败戈尔,好像算选民总数小布什比戈尔少。 记不清了,村长愿意可以考证一下。
 
这个貌似超党派的言论,实际上是左派阵营发声,呼吁比例代表制的,安省人民在上上次省选中公投否决了在省选中比例代表制,而自由党小特鲁多将会终止联邦选举现在的赢者全包的规则,比例代表制是一个选项,即选党不选人,各党按支持率派出相应比例数的议员,另一个选项是打分制:选票上给自由党60分,保守党20分。。。得分高者当选。
这些办法花费多花花肠子多容易看晕,适合爱花钱爱玩策略的党实施。
链接:
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...kill-first-past-the-post-by-the-next-election

这个文章是左翼喉舌写的,不关猪熟的鸭子的事,听话要听音。
 
美国佬的选举也只是相对公正。当年小布什击败戈尔,好像算选民总数小布什比戈尔少。 记不清了,村长愿意可以考证一下。
是。还重新在佛州计票。小布什那真叫险胜。
 
美国佬的选举也只是相对公正。当年小布什击败戈尔,好像算选民总数小布什比戈尔少。 记不清了,村长愿意可以考证一下。

不能跨国比较。各国按各自的游戏规则玩儿就是了。
 
总督是不管这一套滴,女王也照旧。
 
同意不要搞比例代表制, 党内的暗箱操做会导致腐败.
打分制太麻烦, 选民需要培训, 出错机率大, 也不宜采用.

就按现行投票方式不变, 也可以有办法做到真正的按民意决策.
- 每个选区由最高得票者当议员, 但是此议员在议会里为议案投票时不是100%按自己党的立场投票, 而是自动按本选区大选结果比例投票. 比如某一个选区内: 39%选民投的LIB, 31%投的CON, 20%为NDP, 10%是GREEN. 那么LIB当选为议员, 但每一次议会里为议案投票时, 他/她自动地以LIB的立场投出0.39, 以CON的立场投出0.31, 为NDP立场0.20, GREEN立场0.10. 把全国每个选区的结果加起来, 取最大值的立场就行了.

这样就完全抵消了"多一票就全拿"这种选举方式的缺点, 最准确地代表了大选那一天的民意, 每一张选票都没白费, 从而让选民最大限度的满意

比例代表制一定不能搞。一个问题是黑箱操作,另一个问题是很难选出多数党
另一个选项是打分制,实际上就是策略投票的制度化,在澳洲运行的很好。策略投票本身是中性的。第一选择不过半时,计入第二选择,这是最合理的方法。选举的目的就是让选民最大限度的满意。
 
你说的对。改革选举制度是左派观点,也是特鲁多的承诺

比例代表制一定不能搞。一个问题是黑箱操作,另一个问题是很难选出多数党

另一个选项确切的翻是排名制, 实际上是策略投票的制度化。制度本身是中性的。澳洲排名制运行的很好,不是给多少分,而是选出第1选择,第2选择,第3选择,第1选择不过半时,计入第2选择,这最符合每个人自然的选择方式。排名制下,NDP支持者就不需要投Lib,只要把把Lib放在第二,这可以最准确的反映选民的观点。 如果改革选举系统。我猜想自由党会选择排名制

嗯是我理解有误,排名制增加不少工作量,以前一张选票看一个叉,现在要记录多个信息,并且大部分选票要人工干预。。。。
至于策略投票,我总觉得这有悖民主原则,策略投票关键在于,一个选民支持NDP,对LIB不感冒,在对选民意愿无干扰的条件下,通过宣示政纲等等竞选宣传,无法改变该选民意愿,则劝说选民,为了把CON赶走,你要策略投LIB,即使你对LIB的政纲不支持,这个在我看来,算是对民主的 abuse,虽然在加拿大合法。“排名制下,NDP支持者就不需要投Lib,只要把把Lib放在第二,这可以最准确的反映选民的观点。”更准确之说有点道理,还要看cost,但是这个不能算策略投票,这样投票,也不会把LIB推到majority。只有劳民伤财。
 
英国搞了几代人了,蛮好的。
 
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