到底谁在“通敌”-- 大家来评理

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到底谁在“通敌”-- 大家来评理

Original 2017-03-04 滴答 美国华人之声

自川普赢得大选后，民主党表面上奥巴马和希拉里承认大选的结果，但背地里一分钟都没有闲着。先是重新点票，弄出反川普的示威游行，紧接着就是左棍媒体造谣抹黑，再不行就是拖延川普提名内阁人选。最近就是拿俄罗斯说事，巴不得找到川普阵营与俄罗斯的往来依据，然后以“通敌”罪名弹劾川普。只要川普在总统位置上工作一天，民主党就会坐如针毡，疯狂不断。


俄罗斯和美国在很多国际争端上是有不同的看法，也存在着某些巨大的差异。但是在反恐问题上，两个国家的观点是一致的。就算奥巴马执政时期，在公开场合也不敢说反ISIS是不对的。川普就更不用说了，在竞选中就一致旗帜鲜明地高举反恐旗帜，而且明确指出，美国唯一的敌人是ISIS。在竞选中也没有隐瞒自己的观点，要缓和和俄罗斯的关系，联手打击ISIS。选民们把票投给川普也是对川普反恐战略的认同。


然而，民主党三番五次地试图从川普和俄罗关系上寻找川普通敌的“罪证”。先说俄罗斯操纵了美国大选，帮助川普上台；拿这个出来说事儿，真的是不怕巴掌扇在自己的嘴上。只有那些美国“政治正确”的建制派们干过帮助其他国家，扶持过自己喜欢的人上台，例如埃及，利比亚，伊拉克，叙利亚等等，（给当地和美国带来的灾难就不详述了）。真是偷过东西的贼，最知道从哪些路径走。但你就是要黑川普，也不能不顾及美国的脸面吧，美国的大选居然让俄罗斯操纵了，俄罗斯能把川普从共和党十多位参选人操纵川普最终战胜民主党，这不是在打奥巴马政府的脸吗？不是在打CIA，FBI脸吗？茉莉花开到了美国大地，奥巴马们都干什么吃的去了？俄罗斯的魔力这么大，奥巴马就应该先以渎职罪问责！


川普说的对，美国唯一敌人是ISIS，如果川普内阁有人暗地和ISIS勾结，要拿出来说事无论在政治上和非政治上都一万个正确。俄罗斯什么时候被定为美国的敌人了？俄罗斯整死过美国人吗？侵占过美国的疆土吗？美国和俄罗斯到现在都还保持着正常的外交关系。就算川普阵营里有人接触过俄罗斯官员，那又怎么样？仅以接触过就说是川普“通敌”的证据？那么奥巴马执政时期，班加西美国大使馆被恐怖分子袭击，奥巴马和希拉里知道情报也不闻不问，以至于大使馆被恐怖分子连锅端，这又是什么性质的问题？-----简直是和恐怖分子里应外合。这样的后果谁下台了？谁出来承担责任了？奥巴马和希拉里为了支持中东那些反政府武装，不但卖武器给他们，而且知道很多武器落在了ISIS手中也不中断这样的武器供给，班加西美国大使馆被袭击，恐怖分子使用的武器就是从奥巴马政府卖给当地的反政府武装手中得到的。如果按照民主党现在的通敌标准，奥巴马和希拉里所犯的通敌罪简直就不是弹劾的问题，而是该进监狱的问题。唱着高调的民主党们，你们那个时候怎么不出来振臂高呼啦？！


从奥巴马到民主党议员们，都从来没有认为ISIS是敌人。相反，打着反恐的旗帜，夹带私货，导致奥巴马八年执政时期ISIS疯快壮大。


对川普要联合俄罗斯一起反恐大肆抹黑，宁肯让ISIS壮大，也要把冷战思维进行到。这样做，美国的安全从何谈起？没有安全美国的强大又从何谈起？民主党正在被美国人民抛弃，而且是永远抛弃！


（编者按： 川普总统在忍无可忍的情况下， 今天发了两个推特：

（川普总统说，我们应该立刻调查参议员Shumer与俄国和普金的关系！ ）

（他又说，调查完了Shumer， 我要求调查

加州国会议员 Pelosi 跟俄国的关系，和她的谎言。）

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  好文。没听说过，国家总统明目张胆地支持非法移民扰害良民，人类历史上大概只有侯塞因奥巴马和民主党能干出这种事来。还明目张胆地在总统报告会上，诋毁总统，而且还是国会议员干的。美国成了什么国家？民主国家难道就是这样无法无天，个人行为不受法律约束，媒体可以肆无忌惮地撒布谎言，抵制民选的总统？在这些人身上只看到:无耻，没有底线。为了个人利益，置国家主权、人民利益于不顾，手段毒辣，真是无所不用其极。难道这就是民主？美国的法律在这些人身上失效了吗？法治哪去了？
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[明的凡]

The Media Reported On the Trump Tower Wiretaps, Why Don’t We Believe Them Now? http://ift.tt/2mZyOBn #Trump #TCOT

 

[明的凡]

这个题目有点问题。在左派的冷战思维里，俄罗斯是敌人，但在川普的政治思维里，俄罗斯可以是朋友。

“俄罗斯和美国在很多国际争端上是有不同的看法，也存在着某些巨大的差异。但是在反恐问题上，两个国家的观点是一致的。就算奥巴马执政时期，在公开场合也不敢说反ISIS是不对的。川普就更不用说了，在竞选中就一致旗帜鲜明地高举反恐旗帜，而且明确指出，美国唯一的敌人是ISIS。在竞选中也没有隐瞒自己的观点，要缓和和俄罗斯的关系，联手打击ISIS。选民们把票投给川普也是对川普反恐战略的认同。”

 

[A Special Day]

如果美国和俄罗斯互为朋友，那各自储存几千个核弹头只为了过家家？

 

[b4w]

美俄有外交关系，互派大使，篷不朋友的难说，肯定不是敌人。大使的工作不就是接触邦交国官民各界，增强了解和友谊吗？美国人见个俄国驻美大使算个什么事？加拿大人见个俄国驻美大使算个什么事？有糊涂人会说你去约个外国大使会面，看看CISIS是否请你喝咖啡？安全局吃爆了撑的？
美中、加中意识形态差别比跟俄国更远，有多少华人华社跟中国大使馆有联系，算个事吗？我有认识人加拿大籍前些日子欢送罗大使荣升别的国家大使，有个晚会，我有她跟罗大使亲密照片，我是不是要去加拿大安全局告密呀？呵呵。还有我自己几年前在佛光山不小心见了台湾代表处主任，他们自己就称台湾大使，还打了个招呼，加拿大安全局是不是在查我呀？吓死了！

 

[ccc]

总统国家安全顾问为什么辞职了、司法部部长为什么要回避相关调查？

 

[冷笑9声]

总统国家安全顾问为什么辞职了、司法部部长为什么要回避相关调查？

估计普京乐死了。。。我要是普京，下半年再放一次风。。。俄罗斯黑客篡改了美国大选选票统计结果。。。齐活了。

 

[ccc]

估计普京乐死了。。。我要是普京，下半年再放一次风。。。俄罗斯黑客篡改了美国大选选票统计结果。。。齐活了。

普京还有录像。

 

[ccc]

https://twitter.com/RuthMarcus/status/838028741678886912?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

 

[hatco]

Canada needs Trump!

 

[ccc]

特朗普不可复制。

 

[一二三]

等你当总理了，这些黑历史都会被翻出来的

美俄有外交关系，互派大使，篷不朋友的难说，肯定不是敌人。大使的工作不就是接触邦交国官民各界，增强了解和友谊吗？美国人见个俄国驻美大使算个什么事？加拿大人见个俄国驻美大使算个什么事？有糊涂人会说你去约个外国大使会面，看看CISIS是否请你喝咖啡？安全局吃爆了撑的？
美中、加中意识形态差别比跟俄国更远，有多少华人华社跟中国大使馆有联系，算个事吗？我有认识人加拿大籍前些日子欢送罗大使荣升别的国家大使，有个晚会，我有她跟罗大使亲密照片，我是不是要去加拿大安全局告密呀？呵呵。还有我自己几年前在佛光山不小心见了台湾代表处主任，他们自己就称台湾大使，还打了个招呼，加拿大安全局是不是在查我呀？吓死了！

 

[m234]

奥巴马窃听川普电话？！ 川普连发5条推怒怼！ 这是要搞大事啊

好长呀, 搬正文还不过瘾, 那么多张三李四的评论也都搬过来, 这样才显的有品味是吧

 

[b4w]

等你当总理了，这些黑历史都会被翻出来的

你看着吧，到最后嘛事没有。媒体得找料狂欢，还有好多人靠这种鸡血度日。。。。

 

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It started, like so many eruptions these days, with a tweet.

Early Saturday morning, President Trump fired off a series of tweets accusing, without evidence, former President Barack Obama of wiretapping Trump Tower in the month before the election. Trump compared the alleged snooping to “Nixon/Watergate,” and intimated legal action.

What makes the broader allegation so extraordinary isn’t that it is new. Quite the contrary. Various reports that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court granted Justice Department investigators a warrant to probe the Trump campaign’s ties with Russia surfaced in November. What makes Trump’s Twitter tirade so striking is what prompted it, and what it might imply if it’s true.

Anatomy of an Allegation
Baffling as it may be, it appears Trump’s accusation stems from a recent article published on Breitbart, the conservative news outlet formerly run by White House senior adviser Stephen Bannon.

“This is a somewhat stunning, in so far as the president of the United States doesn’t need to get his information about classified activity from Breitbart,” says Cato Institute fellow Julian Sanchez.

That story, “Mark Levin to Congress: Investigate Obama’s ‘Silent Coup’ Vs. Trump,” rehashes comments the titular conservative radio host made Thursday equating the previously reported FISA warrant with a “police state,” and accuses Obama of a politically motivated, covert attempt to undermine Trump and his associates.

It’s unclear just what prompted Levin’s rant, or why Trump glommed onto it. Although no one has confirmed a FISA investigation, or wiretaps in Trump Tower, several news outlets have reported the former’s existence. The most detailed account thus far, from the BBC in January, provided a timeline: The Justice Department sought a FISA warrant in June to intercept communications from two Russian banks suspected of facilitating donations to the Trump campaign. The judge reportedly rejected the warrant, as well as a narrower version sought in July. A new judge granted the order in mid-October, according to the BBC.

However strongly Trump feels that he’s right, he’d better hope he’s wrong.

None of this necessarily makes Trump’s allegations true. Even if a FISA warrant exists, it does not mean Trump Tower is tapped or that Trump specifically is the target. Further complicating things, the existence of a wiretap would not necessarily confirm the existence of a FISA warrant. Almost half of the building’s 58 floors are dedicated to commercial and office space, and any one of them—not to mention the building’s residents—could be the target of an investigation unrelated to international espionage or election tampering.

“If he has evidence that he was wiretapped without a proper FISA order being sought, that would be a huge scandal, and he should produce whatever evidence he’s got,” says Sanchez. “It’s a pretty serious claim, and it’s striking he would make it without anything solid to back it up.”

Republican Senator Ben Sasse called on the president to clarify his claims, stating that “we are in the midst of a civilization-warping crisis of public trust.” Obama spokesperson Kevin Lewis strongly denied extra-judicial surveillance of any US citizens to Politico in response to the claims..

Look past the president’s conspiracy theories, though, and one fact stands out: However strongly Trump feels that he’s right, he’d better hope he’s wrong.

Tower of FISA
If nothing else, Trump’s tweets show he doesn’t understand how the FISA system works. If he did, he may have limited himself to tweeting about Arnold Schwartzenegger quitting The Apprentice this morning.

“While the order would have been requested by some part of the executive branch, Obama can’t order anything. Nor can Trump,” says former NSA lawyer April Doss, who stresses that her comments are based only on public information. “The order has to come from the court, and the court operates independently.”

FISA court judges serve seven-year appointments, so the court’s composition doesn’t ebb and flow with the political tides. What’s more, specific laws adopted in the wake of Watergate prevent the very activity Trump accuses Obama of.

“You can’t tap the phones of a political candidate for political purposes,” says Doss.

What you could tap them for? Acting as a foreign power, or as an agent of a foreign power. In other words, spying against US interests with both knowledge and intent.

Clearing that bar is difficult, by design. FISA warrants don’t allow for broad wiretaps of, say, every call going in and out of a specific office in a 58-story Manhattan skyscraper. Federal authorities must demonstrate not just probable cause, but that a given phone line serves primarily to undermine US interests. It’s difficult, for instance, to obtain a warrant to wiretap a shared office, for fear of picking up innocent third-party conversations.

“I have high confidence that a FISA court judge would not have authorized any warrant unless it met all the requirements under the statute,” says Doss.

Trump’s wiretap claims, then, carry presumably inadvertent implications. First, based on previous reporting and the nature of FISA courts, any wiretaps within Trump Tower would be legal. And they would stem from overwhelming evidence that the Trump campaign, or someone within it, has unsavory ties to Russia or another foreign power. Otherwise, it’s unlikely those wiretaps would exist at all.

If federal authorities did have cause to listen in on Trump Tower, though, and they provided enough evidence for a FISA court to approve the snooping, Obama is not the one who ought to worry.