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Trump’s 8-hour gap: Minute-by-minute during Jan. 6 riot​

By COLLEEN LONGMarch 31, 2022

FILE - President Donald Trump speaks during a rally protesting the electoral college certification of Joe Biden as President in Washington, Jan. 6, 2021. On the day of the Capitol riot that shook American democracy, there are no official White House phone notations from about 11 a.m. to about 7 p.m. While that leaves holes in the record, a lot of publicly available information has surfaced about what Trump did do and say. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci, File)
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FILE - President Donald Trump speaks during a rally protesting the electoral college certification of Joe Biden as President in Washington, Jan. 6, 2021. On the day of the Capitol riot that shook American democracy, there are no official White House phone notations from about 11 a.m. to about 7 p.m. While that leaves holes in the record, a lot of publicly available information has surfaced about what Trump did do and say. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci, File)

WASHINGTON (AP) — A lot is known about the few hours that shook American democracy to the core. The defeated president’s incendiary speech, the march by an angry crowd to the U.S. Capitol, the breaking in, the beating of cops, the “hang Mike Pence” threats, the lawmakers running for their lives, the shooting death of rioter Ashli Babbitt. All of that chaos unfolded over about eight hours on one day: Jan. 6, 2021.

But for all that is known about the day, piecing together the words and actions of Donald Trump over that time has proved no easy task, even though a president’s movements and communications are closely monitored.

There’s a gap in the official White House phone notations given to the House committee investigating Jan. 6 — from about 11 a.m. to about 7 p.m., according to two people familiar with the congressional investigation into the riot. Details may still turn up; the former president was known to use various cell phones and often bypassed the White House switchboard, placing calls directly.

CAPITOL SIEGE


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And over the past four-plus months a lot has surfaced about what Trump did do and say on Jan. 6 — in texts, tweets, videos, calls and other conversations.

The following account is based on testimony, timelines and eyewitness reporting gathered by The Associated Press and The Washington Post and CBS News, and from officials and people familiar with the events who spoke to The AP on condition of anonymity.

SORE AT HIS NO. 2

Trump entered the Oval Office at 11:08 a.m. By that time, about 400 pro-Trump demonstrators had already massed at the Capitol. Trump placed a call to Vice President Mike Pence — their only conversation of the day. It didn’t go well: Trump wanted Pence to stop the certification of Joe Biden’s 2020 election victory, and he was very unhappy the vice president wouldn’t do it.


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At 11:38 a.m., the president left the White House to address his rally on the Ellipse, a big grassy oval behind the White House, about a mile or so from the Capitol. It was bitter cold, but that didn’t keep the crowd away. Trump was up on stage by 11:57 and addressed his supporters until about 1:15 p.m.

Among Trump’s challenging final words: “We fight. We fight like hell, and if you don’t fight like hell you’re not going to have a country any more. My fellow Americans, for our movement, for our children, and for our beloved country. So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. And we’re going to the Capitol.”

‘THEY’RE THROWING METAL POLES’

Growing crowds were migrating to the Capitol. Almost immediately after Trump concluded, a Capitol Police officer called for backup.

“They’re throwing metal poles at us,” the officer said in a panicked voice. “Multiple law-enforcement injuries.”

Would Trump himself head for the Capitol, as he’d suggested in his speech? It was unclear at first, but his motorcade turned to head back to the White House.

At 1:21 p.m., Trump met with his valet at the White House, logs say. At the Capitol, meanwhile, then-Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund begged for help from the National Guard as the crowd started to swell around the west side of the building and became increasingly violent.

By then the TV networks had picked up the melee and were broadcasting live as the mob broke through metal police barricades and advanced toward the doors of the building where lawmakers were gathered to certify the presidential election results. The surreal images soon filled television screens throughout the West Wing, where staffers watched, stunned.

LOCKDOWN

By 2 p.m. the U.S. Capitol was locked down. At 2:11, Pence was evacuated. At 2:15, congressional leaders were evacuated. At 2:43, demonstrator Babbitt was shot trying to enter the House chamber through a window broken by the mob.

No official record has surfaced yet of what Trump was doing during this time. The next entry in Trump’s daily diary is not until 4:03 p.m., when he went out to the Rose Garden to tape a public address after frantic urging.

But during this time Trump was hardly idle. He was in touch with lawmakers and he was, according to aides, watching the violence unfold on national television. And he was tweeting.

At 2:28, he tweeted not about the violence but to show his pique at his vice president:

“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”

At some point, Trump also talked to lawmakers. Republican Kevin McCarthy told a California radio station that he had spoken to the president.

“I was the first person to call him,” McCarthy said. “I told him to go on national TV, tell these people to stop it. He said he didn’t know what was happening.”

Washington Republican Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler said McCarthy relayed that conversation to her. By her account, when McCarthy told Trump it was his own supporters breaking into the building, Trump responded: “Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are.”

Trump also talked to Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan and Sen. Tommy Tuberville of Alabama, among other GOP lawmakers. Tuberville later said he spoke to the president while the Senate was being evacuated. Utah Sen. Mike Lee said Trump accidentally called him when he was trying to reach Tuberville.

Others, including former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, tried but failed to get through to the president.

‘IT HAS GONE TOO FAR’

At 3:14 p.m. a Trump tweet at last made a sideways reference to the havoc. “I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!”

At some point, he sequestered himself in the dining room off the Oval Office to watch the violence play out on TV, rewinding and re-watching some parts, according to former aides. Unable to get through by other means, allies including his former chief of staff and communications director resorted to tweeting at him to try to get through. Chief of Staff Mark Meadows was getting a flurry of texts from lawmakers, from Fox News personalities and even Trump’s own children.

“Hey, Mark, protestors are literally storming the Capitol. Breaking windows on doors. Rushing in. Is Trump going to say something?” reads one text.

“We are all helpless,” says another.

As the violence continued, the president’s elder son texted Meadows:

“He’s got to condemn this s(asterisk)(asterisk)(asterisk) Asap,” Donald Trump, Jr. texted.

Meadows responded: “I’m pushing it hard. I agree.”

Trump, Jr. texted again and again, urging that his father act:

“We need an Oval address. He has to lead now. It has gone too far and gotten out of hand.”

‘REMEMBER THIS DAY FOREVER!’

At 4:08 p.m. Trump went out to the Rose Garden. At 4:17 p.m. he released a scripted, pre-recorded video, which included a call for “peace” and “law and order” and finally told his supporters “you have to go home now.”

But they didn’t. Things were still wildly out of control. In fact, the Capitol building was not secured until 5:34 p.m.

At 6:01, Trump’s message was back to indignant: “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long,” he wrote. “Remember this day forever!”

At 6:27, he went back to the residence, and started calling his lawyers.

Congress did not resume counting electoral votes until 8 p.m. They finished at 3:40 a.m. and certified Biden as the winner.

Associated Press Writers Jill Colvin in New York, Nomaan Merchant, Zeke Miller, Lisa Mascaro, Mary Clare Jalonick and Mike Balsamo contributed to this report.

 
Trump接受总统历史专家的采访。中文翻译是Google的,懂英文的可以看原文,还有Zoom 会议的录像(


当特朗普试图纠正记录时我学到的 -这位前总统做出了不同寻常的努力来影响历史学家对他的看法。
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2022 年 4 月 4 日
关于作者:Julian E. Zelizer 是普林斯顿大学的历史和公共事务教授。他是即将出版的《唐纳德 ·J·特朗普总统:第一次历史评估》一书的编辑。

作为一名学术历史学家,我从没想过会与唐纳德特朗普进行视频会议。但去年夏天的一个下 午——在 C-SPAN 发布了一项历史学家民意调查后的第二天,他的排名仅次于富兰克林·皮尔 斯、安德鲁·约翰逊和詹姆斯·布坎南,我们国家最糟糕的首席执行官——他突然出现在 Zoom 里,告诉我和一些人我的同事们从他的角度来看第 45 任总统。他平静地说。 “我们有一些很 棒的人;我们有一些人不是很好。这是可以理解的,”他告诉我们。 “我想,每一届政府都是如 此。但总的来说,我们取得了巨大的成功。”

我是特朗普在白宫任期的学术历史的编辑,这是关于最近几任总统的系列丛书中的第三本 书。在《纽约时报》报道该项目几天后,特朗普当时的助手杰森米勒联系我说这位前总统想和 我的合著者和我谈谈——这是乔治·W·布什和巴拉克·奥巴马都没有做过的事情. 对于声称对 我们世界上的人们如何看待他漠不关心的人来说,特朗普花费了大量的时间——比我们所知 道的任何其他前总统都多——试图影响关于他的叙述。我和我的合著者并不是他唯一接触的 人。根据 Axios 的说法,特朗普与超过 22 位作者进行了对话,主要是记者,他们正在编写记录 他的总统任期的书籍。


但如果有的话,我们与这位前总统的谈话强调了共同的批评:他将总统职位解释为证明他的交 易能力的论坛;他寻求奉承,过分相信自己的谎言;他认为实质性批评是错误的、出于政治动 机、道德上的妥协或其他愤世嫉俗的行为。他展示了一种有限的历史世界观:在推特上赞扬新 闻稿的优点时——因为前者更优雅、更冗长——他听起来好像他自己发现了那种老式的总统 沟通方式。他对探索甚至承认他的记录中的一些矛盾和紧张没有兴趣。

这位前总统坐在贝德明斯特高尔夫俱乐部的一张木桌前,旁边放着一面美国国旗。在前 30 分 钟,特朗普面前只有一张白纸,他回忆起他在处理经济、冠状病毒大流行以及中国、朝鲜和俄 罗斯领导人方面被低估的谈判才能。 “没有人比我对俄罗斯更严厉,”他坚持说。关于北大西洋 公约组织,特朗普讲述了他如何迫使其他盟国在数十年未支付公平份额的情况下支付更高的 会费。

特朗普的许多轶事都回到了他如何谈论或恐吓有权势的演员去做其他总统无法做到的事情。 这位前总统声称,他已与韩国政府达成初步协议,为自己的防御做出更多贡献。 (在讲述这个 故事时,他模仿了韩国总统文在寅的口音。)特朗普声称,在乔·拜登(Joe Biden)成为总统后, 在 2020 年大选“被操纵并输掉了”之后,这项历史性的协议就被破坏了。

他似乎主要根据美国政客对待他的方式来衡量他们。他坚持认为,即使是那些公开批评他的 民选官员,当电视摄像机关闭时,也会唱不同的曲子。特朗普发泄了一些州长在私下会议上不 断表达他们对他的 COVID 政策印象深刻的言论(“我希望你能拿到录音带,”特朗普说),但又 在公开场合“把我打晕了”:“太不公平了。 ”

就在我准备打开虚拟floor进行讨论时,特朗普突然绕了一个弯,花了几分钟讲述了一个令人费 解的故事,讲述了价格超支和糟糕的设计计划如何损害了海军价值 130 亿美元的超级航母杰 拉尔德·R·福特号航空母舰。特朗普称该项目是“我见过的最愚蠢的事情”,并解释了在总统访 问期间如何警告说,这艘技术先进的船只是一个错误。他讲述了多年来一直为船只服务的勤 奋工作人员(“非中央铸造”)如何认为海军设计的关键特征,包括协助发射飞机的弹射系统的各 个方面,对任何有经验的人来说都是毫无意义的在空中军事行动中。在杰拉尔德·R·福特号航 空母舰上,你必须成为一名船员抱怨的“阿尔伯特·爱因斯坦”,才能修复曾经本来非常容易修 复。

随着特朗普的故事展开,我瞥了一眼 Zoom 里同事们困惑的脸。但他的观点很快就清楚了。 他在抨击专家。对于正在撰写其总统任期初稿的历史学家来说,特朗普传达了一个信息:最优 秀和最聪明的人并不总是知道他们在说什么——不像像他那样按照常识生活的勤奋工作的
人。

我们的整个会议都表明,特朗普有时确实关心专业知识,尽管他对学院的刻薄。毕竟,他是决 定与一群专业历史学家接触的人,以便我们制作“一本准确的书”。正如他之前多次做过的那 样,特朗普自豪地提到了他的叔叔,他是麻省理工学院的教授。

在与我们交谈时,特朗普正在努力影响人们对他的叙述——正如他在椭圆形办公室期间反复 做的那样。事实上,他甚至结束了他的任期,兜售他不是像赫伯特·胡佛或吉米·卡特那样失败 的一届总统,而是一个从他身上偷走胜利的人。

当耶鲁大学历史学家贝弗利·盖奇谈到总统与联邦调查局和情报界的关系——我们书中她的章 节的主题——时,他最终转向了 2021 年 1 月 6 日的国会大厦暴动。根据他的记忆,专家的意 见是离开。特朗普辩称,“真实的故事”“还没有写出来”。当国会开会证明选举人团的结果时,特 朗普告诉我们,发生了一场“和平集会”,超过“百万人”充满了“巨大的爱”,认为选举被“操纵”和 “抢劫”和“偷来的”。

他做了一个“非常谦虚”和“非常和平”的演讲,一个“总统演讲”。国会大厦的人群是“庞大”和“巨 大”的一群人。这一天被一小群左翼反法和黑人生活问题活动家破坏了,他们“渗透”了他们并 且没有被阻止,因为美国国会警察在一些“坏事发生”时做出了错误的决定。

在我们在一起的时间里,特朗普没有给我们很多问题。即使在试图纠正记录的过程中,特朗普 也大多没有承认或参与外界对其总统职位的知情批评.

然而,他确实承认有时转发了他不应该转发的人,并且有一次他说,“当我没有赢得选举时” ——这与他关于 2020 年选票被盗的虚假说法相矛盾. ( He did, however, admit to
having sometimes retweeted people he shouldn’t have, and at one point he said, “when I didn’t win the election”—phrasing at odds with his false claim that the 2020 vote was stolen.)

但他的目标是让一群历史学家站在他这边。 “我正在查看这份名单,这是一个庞大的群体,我 认为与其批评我,不如让你听我说完,这就是我们现在正在做的事情,我很感激。”在准备会议 时,他的工作人员已经向我们提供了文件,这些文件将他描绘成一位记录温和的传统总统。 他似乎想要历史学家的认可,对历史学家如何收集证据或作出判断一无所知。

尽管有 C-SPAN 民意调查,我们的目标不是对总统进行排名,而是分析和解释更长时期的总 统任期。我们想了解公共政策、民主制度、治理规范以及白宫官员与政治运动之间的关系发生 的变化。尽管我们总是渴望阅读参与者的口述历史——并直接从前总统那里听到——但这些 评论在与其他同时代资料进行检查和交叉审查的作品中只占很小的一部分。

在实践中,专业历史学家通过审查存储在档案中的重要书面和口头文件来收集他们的证据 ——这就是为什么在我的行业中有这么多人在得知一箱箱材料最初被运到前总统在海湖庄园 的家时不寒而栗的原因。而不是直接交给国家档案馆的专家。

特朗普可以帮助历史学家评估他的总统任期,坐下来回答福克斯新闻主持人和保守派政治行 动会议观众以外的人提出的公开问题,并准备一本深思熟虑、有启发性和诚实的回忆录—— 这可能会让历史学家深入了解他的个人和政治演变。以及他在任期间做出的关键决定。

在回答了我们半个小时的问题后,特朗普以感谢我们的方式结束了对话:“我希望它会成为畅 销书的第一名!”这当然是一种乐观的结束方式,尽管我不太相信他是认真的。

在我们会面几天后,特朗普宣布他将停止采访作者,因为他们“完全是在浪费时间”。他补充说 :“这些作家通常是坏人,他们会写出他们想到的或符合他们议程的任何东西。这与事实或现实 无关。”
 
 

CNN Exclusive: 'We control them all': Donald Trump Jr. texted Meadows ideas for overturning 2020 election before it was called​

By Ryan Nobles, Zachary Cohen and Annie Grayer, CNN

Updated 3:56 PM ET, Fri April 8, 2022
Honig: Donald Trump Jr. texts go 'right to the heart' of election scheme


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"It's very simple," Trump Jr. texted to Meadows on November 5, adding later in the same missive: "We have multiple paths We control them all."

In a statement to CNN, Trump Jr.'s lawyer Alan S. Futerfas said, "After the election, Don received numerous messages from supporters and others. Given the date, this message likely originated from someone else and was forwarded."

"We have operational control Total leverage," the message reads. "Moral High Ground POTUS must start 2nd term now."

If secretaries of state were unable to certify the results, Trump Jr. argues in his text to Meadows that they should press their advantage by having Republican-controlled state assemblies "step in" and put forward separate slates of "Trump electors," he writes.

"Republicans control Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, North Carolina etc we get Trump electors," Trump Jr. adds.

'We control them all'​


Trump Jr. pushes Meadows to fire Wray and install loyalist at FBI​

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