转发: 99%死定了?华为员工曝“备胎”芯片真相

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  • 时代不一样了。

    而且当时也没继续坚持禁运。再禁运个10年你看看,一切都会改变的。

    关键是要拿出勇气来,坚持禁运!
    特朗普2017年让美国地质调查局出过一份报告,如果中国对美国稀土禁运会怎么样
    报告的结论是,美国曾经最大的稀土矿,Mountain Pass,可以在6个月内恢复到任何需要的产量
    90年代以前美国才是世界上最大的稀土供应国,后来中国把稀土卖到白菜价,稀土不挣钱了Mountain Pass随即关闭
    这是在网上能找到的美国人最后一次关注稀土问题。人家压根没当回事儿,只有中国人才一直念叨稀土
    Mountain Pass现在已经恢复生产了,产量控制在全世界需要稀土量的1/10左右
    禁运10年?
    稀土禁运的最初两年才是最痛苦的,越往后越没效果
    另外,不知你知不知道,稀土元素一共17中,其中有7种,中国是净进口国,依赖从美国进口。真打稀土牌,谁禁运谁还不一定。
     

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    特朗普2017年让美国地质调查局出过一份报告,如果中国对美国稀土禁运会怎么样
    报告的结论是,美国曾经最大的稀土矿,Mountain Pass,可以在6个月内恢复到任何需要的产量
    90年代以前美国才是世界上最大的稀土供应国,后来中国把稀土卖到白菜价,稀土不挣钱了Mountain Pass随即关闭
    这是在网上能找到的美国人最后一次关注稀土问题。人家压根没当回事儿,只有中国人才一直念叨稀土
    Mountain Pass现在已经恢复生产了,产量控制在全世界需要稀土量的1/10左右
    禁运10年?
    稀土禁运的最初两年才是最痛苦的,越往后越没效果
    另外,不知你知不知道,稀土元素一共17中,其中有7种,中国是净进口国,依赖从美国进口。真打稀土牌,谁禁运谁还不一定。
    你是明白人。:good:
     

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    特朗普2017年让美国地质调查局出过一份报告,如果中国对美国稀土禁运会怎么样
    报告的结论是,美国曾经最大的稀土矿,Mountain Pass,可以在6个月内恢复到任何需要的产量
    90年代以前美国才是世界上最大的稀土供应国,后来中国把稀土卖到白菜价,稀土不挣钱了Mountain Pass随即关闭
    这是在网上能找到的美国人最后一次关注稀土问题。人家压根没当回事儿,只有中国人才一直念叨稀土
    Mountain Pass现在已经恢复生产了,产量控制在全世界需要稀土量的1/10左右
    禁运10年?
    稀土禁运的最初两年才是最痛苦的,越往后越没效果
    另外,不知你知不知道,稀土元素一共17中,其中有7种,中国是净进口国,依赖从美国进口。真打稀土牌,谁禁运谁还不一定。
    都一样, 中国人卖啥不是最后成了白菜价?

    你们这都是纸上谈兵, 习总只要决心已下, 说禁也就禁了。
    没啥大不了的。 没效果就没效果, 反正你也说了, 卖成白菜价, 这买卖也做不得了。
     

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    感觉作者有点问题,海思只要能生产关键的几个芯片就行了,其余的通用芯片市场上一抓一大把,用谁家的都一样。
     

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    牛拉多纳一个人技术再好,一帮猪队友,他很难有所作为。
    华为这次会给人剁手剁脚,去掉大半条命。
    不过靠走私芯片和国内市场,大概也死不了
    说的好,赞一个。
    华为会从国际大企业蜕变为一个地区甚至国内的企业。
    人家可能连华为应该缩小到什么规模才停手的沙盘推演都已经做了无数次了。
    天朝还在投资80亿,意淫零成本变水为氢气,加水跑1000公里的永动机车。
    全民从包子帝,到知识精英,到普通百姓,没有思考是怎么走到这一步的,怎么止损,怎么以后不要重复错误,
    而是集体陷入一种流氓心态,用打鸡血来应付危机,真是不作不死。
    刚看了一个视频,国内已经有大妈组队去肯德鸡骂顾客了。
    上行下效,说是猪队友吧,揣摩上意这个项目上,国人个个比猴精。
    华为只是个企业,投胎到了猪圈,就是天蓬元帅也没辙。
     

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    说的好,赞一个。
    华为会从国际大企业蜕变为一个地区甚至国内的企业。
    人家可能连华为应该缩小到什么规模才停手的沙盘推演都已经做了无数次了。
    天朝还在投资80亿,意淫零成本变水为氢气,加水跑1000公里的永动机车。
    全民从包子帝,到知识精英,到普通百姓,没有思考是怎么走到这一步的,怎么止损,怎么以后不要重复错误,
    而是集体陷入一种流氓心态,用打鸡血来应付危机,真是不作不死。
    刚看了一个视频,国内已经有大妈组队去肯德鸡骂顾客了。
    上行下效,说是猪队友吧,揣摩上意这个项目上,国人个个比猴精。
    华为只是个企业,投胎到了猪圈,就是天蓬元帅也没辙。

    这个???

    两三年前的事儿了吧。
     

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    牛拉多纳一个人技术再好,一帮猪队友,他很难有所作为。
    华为这次会给人剁手剁脚,去掉大半条命。
    不过靠走私芯片和国内市场,大概也死不了
    华为体量太大,走私怎么满足得了啊!
     

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    感觉作者有点问题,海思只要能生产关键的几个芯片就行了,其余的通用芯片市场上一抓一大把,用谁家的都一样。
    你上市场上当然能抓一大把,能用的好芯片都是以美帝为主,日本为辅的厂家生产的,尤其是模拟部分。
    现在人家不让你抓了。
     

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    地球照样转!谁怕谁!
     

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    interesting article. lol

    HUAWEI’S ANDROID AND WINDOWS ALTERNATIVES ARE DESTINED FOR FAILURE
    https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/23/18636841/huawei-android-windows-alternatives-europe-us-editorial
    Not much is known about Huawei’s Android and Windows alternative, but it appears to be based on the open source version of Android (AOSP) and will include Huawei’s App Gallery store. This is Huawei’s alternative to Google’s Play Store, and every manufacturer that doesn’t license Google’s version of Android has to create its own app store or bundle one from a myriad of fragmented options. Huawei already has experience here, as the company’s phones run a forked AOSP-based version of Android without the Play Store in China, and Huawei’s been bundling the App Gallery on phones outside of China since early 2018.

    Outside of China, phones running alternatives to Android and even those using AOSP haven’t fared well. Mozilla tried with its Firefox OS for years before giving up in 2015, Canonical pushed Ubuntu phones that never went anywhere, and Microsoft famously tried to create a third mobile operating system with Windows Phone. Even Samsung, once a big threat to Google’s version of Android, has all but given up on its Tizen operating system for phones, using it to power the company’s smartwatches and TVs instead. And let’s not even talk about what happened to BlackBerry.

    All of these phone OS alternatives have failed for many different reasons, but chief among them is a common thread: competing with Google is very difficult. Google’s search market share is estimated at around 90 percent worldwide, with competitors like Bing, Yahoo, Baidu, and Yandex all making up single digits. This search market share has helped Google create and control a suite of apps like Chrome, Gmail, YouTube, Google Maps, Google Docs, and many other popular web services.

    If you create a phone running the open source version of Android, it immediately comes without access to these key Google apps. As a manufacturer, you’re creating a device without the apps consumers demand in Europe, the US, and elsewhere.

    moto g google play store japan line
    THE PHONE CHALLENGE
    This is the challenge Huawei now faces on the phone side. The only companies that have come close to creating a viable Android alternative outside of China are Microsoft or Amazon, and Amazon’s attempt is now limited to tablets. Microsoft created Windows Phone and was able to gain some impressive ground in certain countries in Europe, but Android still absolutely dominated overall. Microsoft took the approach of licensing its more closed operating system to phone makers for a fee per handset, while the “free” Android alternative came with its own royalty payments and a lot of customization options for phone makers and carriers.

    Microsoft tried to offer a phone operating system without the support of Google’s apps and services. Windows Phone users were cut off from Google Maps temporarily, there was a bitter battle over a Windows Phone YouTube app, and Google surprised Microsoft by cutting off Gmail’s Exchange ActiveSync support for Windows Phone. Google also refused to develop Windows apps, undermining Microsoft’s mobile efforts to compete with Android.

    Amazon has seen some limited success with its own implementation of Android. The company has created its own Android app store for its Fire tablets, and it’s managed to convince some app makers to list their popular apps in the store. Facebook, Spotify, Netflix, Skype, HBO Now, and others are all available, but Google’s apps are, predictably, nowhere to be seen. Amazon’s app store is still missing a lot of key apps, and even the ones available aren’t always updated at the same time as their main Android alternatives. Thankfully, the Fire tablet screen size lends itself to using the browser to access Google services more than the smaller display on phones. Amazon tried to compete with Android with its Fire Phone, but the company discontinued it quickly after poor sales.

    Huawei P30 Pro
    GOOGLE HAS AN IRON GRIP ON ANDROID
    Google also has an iron grip on the definition of an Android device, including the open-source version of Android that Huawei will be using to compete. Most of the built-in alternatives to apps like search, Gmail, camera, calendar, Chrome, and even the keyboard are incredibly basic. Even a number of APIs like location, gaming, and in-app purchasing are proprietary, and third-party app developers use these in their apps. That makes it more difficult for developers to then have to support two different versions of their Android app, not knowing whether Amazon, Huawei, or anyone else has created replacements that are good enough.

    Google has also helped stem the flow of fragmentation and open-source forks of Android outside of China in the past by bundling its own apps with access to the Play Store and requiring companies building phones or tablets that include the Play Store to only build phones and tablets that include the Play Store.

    Huawei has leverage as the world’s second-largest phone maker to influence the future of Android, but Samsung had the same five years ago and was forced back into line. Google wasn’t impressed with Samsung’s Android software implementations back in 2014 and a series of meetings led to the two companies announcing a broad patent cross-licensing deal and an agreement on what the future of Android would look like.


    GOOGLE IS FACING ANDROID CHALLENGES IN EUROPE
    Huawei has been preparing for a similar moment for years, and now the US-China trade war has arrived to complicate the company’s relationship with Android. Huawei is well aware of the challenges, though. The company has been building a Play Store alternative in plain sight, and it reportedly pitched app makers last year on creating apps for its store with the offer of helping them make inroads into China and a “very significant” share of the app store’s revenue. Bloomberg reports that Huawei even claimed it would have 50 million European users of its app store by the end of 2018.

    Huawei’s store plans and discussions come at a pivotal time for Android in Europe. Google could finally face some competition after a European Commission lawsuit fined the company over Android antitrust violations. Regulators allege that Google abused its Android market dominance by bundling its search engine and Chrome apps into Android, blocking phone makers from creating devices that run forked versions of Android, and making payments to manufacturers and network operators to bundle the Google search app on handsets.

    As a result, Google will start charging Android device makers a fee for using its apps in Europe. This could open the door to rival app stores, a more competitive landscape for Android, and inevitable fragmentation. The more likely result is that manufacturers will simply continue to bundle google’s apps and services, since it’ll allow them to avoid those fees. There are still no popular alternatives to YouTube, Google Maps, or Google Search, after all, and consumers across Europe will reject phones that don’t have access to these apps. Phone makers also aren’t likely to want to maintain different versions of Android for Europe, China, the US, and elsewhere.


    THE LAPTOP CHALLENGE
    Over on the Windows side, Microsoft has maintained its dominance on desktop computing for more than two decades using the same kinds of bundling tactics as Google. US regulators famously grilled Microsoft over its bundling of Internet Explorer in Windows, and EU regulators also got involved some years later. The EU eventually forced the company to include a browser ballot with non-Microsoft browsers in an effort to improve competition.

    Microsoft was also accused of illegally bundling its Windows Media Player with Windows, and the EU forced it to unbundle the app so that competitors could get a fair playing field. Microsoft created a special version of Windows for Europe without the app, but barely any manufacturers actually shipped machines with this version.

    CHROME OS LOOKS LIKE THE MOST LIKELY WINDOWS ALTERNATIVE
    There have been various forms of competition to the Windows dominance, including Macs, Linux-based netbooks, or even Google’s Chrome OS. Only mobile operating systems have managed to shake Microsoft’s dominance of computing in general, but Windows is still heavily used by businesses worldwide. Google’s Chrome OS looks like the most viable alternative for the masses, thanks to Google’s backing and its popular web services.

    Many businesses still rely on Windows for its app compatibility, and to run apps and systems that aren’t just web-based. This has held back Microsoft from progressing with some of its own ARM-based laptop efforts, simplified versions of Windows, and even more restricted ones.

    Huawei’s Plan B operating system would have to compete against both Windows 10 and Chrome OS in a market controlled by Lenovo, HP, Apple, Dell, Acer, and others. These companies have far more experience making and shipping PCs, and already have trusted brand recognition. We’ve seen Android-powered laptops arrive and disappear over the years, and it looks like Huawei is going down a similar path. If building an Android alternative for phones seems challenging, Huawei’s Windows alternative could be even harder to pull off in a market where it holds less sway.

    Huawei now faces many tough decisions that are largely out of its control. None of this software even matters if the company doesn’t have the chips it needs. That’s a thorny problem that Huawei hasn’t shown any indication of being able to overcome. The ARM, Intel, and Qualcomm situations are far more dangerous for Huawei, but even without them, trying to compete with Google and Microsoft’s dominant operating systems seems an insurmountable challenge for a company better known for its hardware outside of China than software advancements

    浏览了一下,其他公司失败的主要原因是,一是没有中国14亿人的市场,再是它们都在同时用谷歌的服务。

    看问题要看本质区别。
     

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    你上市场上当然能抓一大把,能用的好芯片都是以美帝为主,日本为辅的厂家生产的,尤其是模拟部分。
    现在人家不让你抓了。
    知不知道芯片中有个行业叫reverse? 大陆、台湾的芯片厂商大多是这么玩的,别的不知道,知道ti的中低端芯片,国内或台湾有一模一样的替代品,参数一致甚至连芯片的bug都是一样的。低端芯片真没什么秘密可言,也控制不住什么。
     

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    知不知道芯片中有个行业叫reverse? 大陆、台湾的芯片厂商大多是这么玩的,别的不知道,知道ti的中低端芯片,国内或台湾有一模一样的替代品,参数一致甚至连芯片的bug都是一样的。低端芯片真没什么秘密可言,也控制不住什么。
    我恰恰知道一些,
    反向工程主要是对数字芯片而言。
    模拟芯片,很难,如果不是不可能的话。
    大陆当然有相应的各种中低端的芯片,价钱是美帝的1/10,但性能就差得不是一点半点。
    要不华为买进口芯片干什么?是嫌自己钱太多?
    我很期待,想看华为用各种备胎,包括天朝的各种飞上天的,诈骗了国家无数投资的备胎们组装出来的产品。
    不要太久,两年吧,坛子里的五毛们在两年后继续用华为手机,我就服气。
    BTW, 不要老拿台湾说事,现在是已经上升到了意识形态的对抗。
    台湾的芯片技术确实很先进,
    但你看看天朝现在的电视和报纸,如果台湾可以被天朝骂死的话,已经死了几万遍了。
    不要自己抓辖了,就想起被自己整天欺负的亲戚。
    台湾人不要面子的啊?
     
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    我就弄不明白,这消息刚出来不到两星期,什么内部消息官方采访的,正式的没证实的迫不及待的都出来露一下
    就不能多等两个月?它禁也好自主也好,等个半年,死没死不是一目了然?
     

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    我恰恰知道一些,
    反向工程主要是对数字芯片而言。
    模拟芯片,很难,如果不是不可能的话。
    绝对正确。数字芯片磨磨照照可以恢复出逻辑电路,模拟芯片即使反向出原理图来也不能确定各个部件参数,不好直接复制的。
     
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