病毒，该死的病毒。

[TrumpEstate]

Researchers find coronavirus was circulating in Italy earlier than thought

The new coronavirus was circulating in Italy in September 2019, a study by the National Cancer Institute (INT) of the Italian city of Milan shows, signaling that it might have spread beyond China earlier than thought.

www.reuters.com

摘录部分：
“The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.
A further SARS-CoV-2 antibodies test was carried out by the University of Siena for the same research titled “Unexpected detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in the pre-pandemic period in Italy”.
It showed that four cases dating back to the first week of October were positive for antibodies, meaning they had got infected in September, Giovanni Apolone, a co-author of the study, told Reuters.”

 

[TrumpEstate]

The WHO said it would contact the paper’s authors “to discuss and arrange for further analyses of available samples and verification of the neutralization results”.

 

[lindamy]

Researchers find coronavirus was circulating in Italy earlier than thought

The new coronavirus was circulating in Italy in September 2019, a study by the National Cancer Institute (INT) of the Italian city of Milan shows, signaling that it might have spread beyond China earlier than thought.

www.reuters.com

摘录部分：
“The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.
A further SARS-CoV-2 antibodies test was carried out by the University of Siena for the same research titled “Unexpected detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in the pre-pandemic period in Italy”.
It showed that four cases dating back to the first week of October were positive for antibodies, meaning they had got infected in September, Giovanni Apolone, a co-author of the study, told Reuters.”

那也会有人说温州人传来的，起源舟山。。。。

 

[TrumpEstate]

这家肿瘤杂志的影响因子不高，1.X水平。每年只出六期。不知道他们的发现没有往高级别的杂志上投。也许是因为以前曾经有过类似发现（不同研究方向的发现）或是“政治”原因或是其它原因。

 

[TrumpEstate]

那也会有人说温州人传来的，起源舟山。。。。

你有数据吗？

 

[lindamy]

你有数据吗？

我没有，我也不信。

 

[看不过了]

这家肿瘤杂志的影响因子不高，1.X水平。每年只出六期。不知道他们的发现没有往高级别的杂志上投。也许是因为以前曾经有过类似发现（不同研究方向的发现）或是“政治”原因或是其它原因。

关于病毒最早起源有些零零星星的报道，但不知出于何种目的，主流媒体不推不究，比如去年美国发生的电子烟致病和其他早期肺片，西班牙从去年留存的污水水样中发现病毒等等

 

[TrumpEstate]

关于病毒最早起源有些零零星星的报道，但不知出于何种目的，主流媒体不推不究，比如去年美国发生的电子烟致病和其他早期肺片，西班牙从去年留存的污水水样中发现病毒等等

媒体报道，需要考虑读者的兴趣。没有“利润”收获，就不会有报道的欲望。
起源追踪是WHO的责任。

 

[TrumpEstate]

我没有，我也不信。

只有数据和事实为基础的讨论和争论才有意义。

 

[TrumpEstate]

关于病毒最早起源有些零零星星的报道，但不知出于何种目的，主流媒体不推不究，比如去年美国发生的电子烟致病和其他早期肺片，西班牙从去年留存的污水水样中发现病毒等等

觉得我没有正确回复你的问题。路透社（Reuters）应该是世界上有影响的媒体。不能说完全没有“主流”媒体报道。但美国的“主流”媒体少有报道这类文章。可能在美国属于“政治”不正确，所以媒体老板在等待时机再发。

 

[lindamy]

只有数据和事实为基础的讨论和争论才有意义。

数据没有，试图寻找以前的可能病源，必须做封存样品的病毒测试，否则都只是猜测。

看到过美国去年夏天，有退休院闹呼吸道疾病，至少死了3人。

据我看，现在都在试图查到其他国家头上，没有多少人愿意自查，一般来说外人也无法得到样品，很难拿到实际证据。各国都一样。

'Respiratory outbreak' being investigated at retirement community after 54 residents fall ill​

Two have died and 18 were hospitalized in Virginia, officials said.​

'Respiratory outbreak' being investigated at retirement community after 54 residents fall ill

Fairfax County health officials said the source of the outbreak had not yet been identified.

abcnews.go.com

Three dead amid respiratory illness outbreak in Springfield​

Three dead amid respiratory illness outbreak in Springfield

A semblance of normalcy has returned to the Greenspring Retirement Community more than two weeks after an outbreak of respiratory illnesses struck the senior living facility, putting 23 people in

www.fairfaxtimes.com

 

[臭农民]

有点脑子的话，只要想一个问题，如果是别处早就流行，怎么没有出现武汉啊？

 

[lindamy]

西班牙流感起源也不是在西班牙，这事起源在其他地方不一定不可能，没说一定在别处。

 

[向问天]

西班牙流感起源也不是在西班牙，这事起源在其他地方不一定不可能，没说一定在别处。

是的，
有知识的人都知道西班牙流感的故事

 

[TrumpEstate]

数据没有，试图寻找以前的可能病源，必须做封存样品的病毒测试，否则都只是猜测。

看到过美国去年夏天，有退休院闹呼吸道疾病，至少死了3人。

据我看，现在都在试图查到其他国家头上，没有多少人愿意自查，一般来说外人也无法得到样品，很难拿到实际证据。各国都一样。

'Respiratory outbreak' being investigated at retirement community after 54 residents fall ill​

Two have died and 18 were hospitalized in Virginia, officials said.​

'Respiratory outbreak' being investigated at retirement community after 54 residents fall ill

Fairfax County health officials said the source of the outbreak had not yet been identified.

abcnews.go.com

Three dead amid respiratory illness outbreak in Springfield​

Three dead amid respiratory illness outbreak in Springfield

A semblance of normalcy has returned to the Greenspring Retirement Community more than two weeks after an outbreak of respiratory illnesses struck the senior living facility, putting 23 people in

www.fairfaxtimes.com

我觉得，当前最重要的是全球合作先克服疫情，查源可以在疫情控制住以后开展。所以，只是研究在进行，没有实质的开展病毒源头的寻找。