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作为版主我会尽量回答我知道的问题，但并没有能力应答每一个疑问。
我本人确实没有什么成熟的观点，毕竟到现在还是在摸爬滚打的学着，活着；更不可能拿出摆着架式要抬扛的人信服的观点-----鸭子熟了嘴还是硬的，年青的时候我就这样，任你怎么说，咱就是不服。-----有什么用吗？
你的那些观点凭心而论在丫丫眼里一点不超前，跟付诸行动的人们比更是扭捏做态。若要是图口头一时之快不解决实际问题，只怕在本版讨论不适合，文哥算是腿长的，茶馆里众LM们自能陪你大战三十回合…，虚虚实实，S不够不算完。 :bsmile:
sophia,你好
欢迎你来本版自由讨论。
作为版主我会尽量回答我知道的问题，但并没有能力应答每一个疑问。
我本人确实没有什么成熟的观点，毕竟到现在还是在摸爬滚打的学着，活着；更不可能拿出摆着架式要抬扛的人信服的观点-----鸭子熟了嘴还是硬的，年青的时候我就这样，任你怎么说，咱就是不服。-----有什么用吗？
你的那些观点凭心而论在丫丫眼里一点不超前，跟付诸行动的人们比更是扭捏做态。若要是图口头一时之快不解决实际问题，只怕在本版讨论不适合，文哥算是腿长的，茶馆里众LM们自能陪你大战三十回合…，虚虚实实，S不够不算完。 :bsmile:
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写这篇文章的一定是位女权主义者。只从自己的利益考虑问题的选手们不适合婚姻生活。
本文给我的观后感与肉蒲团无异。
There is no any excuse to break the vow. When a couple vow to each other, that means both must keep their promises from then till forever. Well, even forever is not so feasible nowadays, it's still disguisting to hear that people are talking about betraying their spouses and looking for irresponsible joy out of marriage.To do so is not a modern neither mature behavior. To say so is nothing but disguisting.
From: Toronto Star, October 24, 2003
The roots of infidelity
Benedict Carey
Length : Long ( 914 words )
Contrary to one commonly held view, many people who report being in happy marriages commit adultery. Their yearning for variety warps their judgment, even when they fully appreciate the risks ......
(Sorry, I couldn't be able to get the full article)
The roots of infidelity
Benedict Carey
Length : Long ( 914 words )
Contrary to one commonly held view, many people who report being in happy marriages commit adultery. Their yearning for variety warps their judgment, even when they fully appreciate the risks ......
(Sorry, I couldn't be able to get the full article)
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Oct. 24, 2003. 10:50 AM
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The roots of infidelity
Surprise: Many in happy marriages commit adultery
Yearning for variety can warp people's judgment
BENEDICT CAREY
LOS ANGELES TIMES
A simple plea for reassurance ― "You'd tell me, wouldn't you?" ― is about all the discussion many couples can manage on the topic of marital infidelity. That's one reason social scientists have left the study of hidden love largely to novelists and poets.
"Although we can describe sexual desire, we don't know how to measure it scientifically," says Dr. Stephen Levine, a psychiatrist at Case Western Reserve University's School of Medicine and co-editor of the Handbook Of Clinical Sexuality, a guide to help doctors address sexual concerns.
For many years, most of what scientists knew about infidelity came from marital therapists' interviews with clients or from psychologists who asked men and women to answer questions about hypothetical affairs. In the past few years, however, researchers have begun to conduct larger, more rigorous surveys, asking about real experiences. The evidence has contributed to an emerging body of thinking about who cheats, when and why.
Contrary to one commonly held view, many people who report being in happy marriages commit adultery. Their yearning for variety warps their judgment, even when they fully appreciate the risks of infidelity. For when an affair is revealed, clinicians report, the impact on the marriage is usually catastrophic.
"Those who assume that only bad people in bad marriages cheat can blind themselves to their own risk," says Beth Allen, a researcher at the University of Denver who, with colleagues David Atkins, of the Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif., and the late Shirley Glass, a Baltimore family psychologist, recently completed an extensive review of infidelity research.
Several recent surveys suggest the majority of people do not cheat, either because they cannot bear the thought of betrayal, cannot drum up the interest or perhaps have already known the profound pain of losing an important relationship.
Yet U.S. studies find that more than one in five Americans do have an affair, at least once in their lives, and that women are now about as likely as men to cross the line.
The first few years of marriage are a dangerous time, new research shows.
An analysis conducted in 2000 by sociologists in New York found two distinct patterns in the timing of affairs. A married woman's likelihood of straying is highest in the first five years and falls off gradually with time, according to the survey of 3,432 U.S. adults. Men have two high-risk phases, one during the first five years of marriage and, the second, after the 20th year.
The psychological underpinnings of early affairs often are tied up with the vows themselves, some experts say. As well-intentioned as they can be, vows are still open-ended pledges ― of unknown cost, of blind sacrifice. Very often, their gravity doesn't sink in right away; and young married men and women often have a lingering appetite for the flirtation and sexually charged attention that was the lifeblood of their single lives, marital therapists say.
"One reason for starting an affair, especially for young couples, is rebelliousness against the vows, against the very idea that `I'm never ever going to make love to another person,'" says Joel Block, a clinical psychologist in New York and author of Naked Intimacy.
Even when people welcome the sacrifice, and honour vows without reservation, the promises can lend a false sense of security. The commitment is firm, but the imagination may lag behind.
In one recent study, University of Vermont psychologists surveyed 180 couples who were either married or living with a partner. Fully 98 per cent of the men and 80 per cent of the women reported having a sexual fantasy about someone other than their partner at least once in the previous two months. The longer couples were together, the more likely both partners were to report having fantasies. The frequency and vividness of these thoughts may themselves lead a man or woman to believe their love for a partner is fading, Levine says.
Then something happens. A blowout argument. A promotion. A school reunion, the loss of a job, an e-mail from an old boyfriend. Some triumph or loss that opens a door through which a person is now primed to walk. The delights of an affair have already been richly imagined. The consequences are now minimized: "Many couples survive affairs; stop depriving yourself; it's an experience, part of the richness of life," a person might tell herself or himself.
"Whatever the final provocation," Levine says, "the person decides ― actively makes a choice to participate at every step along the way."
The evidence that this kind of logic can lead people astray from apparently satisfying, long-lived, stable relationships is circumstantial but compelling. In one recent analysis, researchers at the University of California, Irvine, found that people who claimed their marriage was "very happy" were two times as likely to cheat on their spouses as those who said their marriage was "extremely happy."
The given reasons for these affairs range widely. In research for a book, Diane Shader Smith, a Los Angeles writer, conducted in-depth interviews with more than 175 married women who had had or were currently involved in an affair.
There were "revenge" flings: One woman had a brief affair after she found out that her (now former) husband had cheated on her. There were "motivational" flings: A Los Angeles doctor's wife had affairs whenever she needed an impetus to lose weight. And certainly love can come into play: One middle-age woman living out in the country had a 10-year affair with her neighbour's husband.
"One thing many had in common was chemistry," Smith says. "They all described that, the chemistry with another man, the casual brush against the arm, that orgasm-on-the-spot feeling," she says. Most of the women interviewed were unapologetic, Smith says; many had kept their secret, and preferred to stay in their marriage, risks and all. In previous surveys, men have expressed similar motives, although primarily focused on the thrill of sensual pleasure.
Psychologists may never know the true impact of infidelity on marriage. Most couples do not seek therapy, whether an affair is suspected or revealed.
Among couples who do pursue counselling, however, there's little doubt: Infidelity hits like a hurricane. In one recent study of 62 Israeli couples seeing therapists to help cope with affairs, one-third eventually divorced; about half limped along in still-troubled marriages, according to researchers at Hebrew University, in Jerusalem.
Only nine of the couples, or 14 per cent, seemed to bounce back and show signs of real growth and optimism in their marriage, the psychologists reported.
>ADVERTISEMENT<
The roots of infidelity
Surprise: Many in happy marriages commit adultery
Yearning for variety can warp people's judgment
BENEDICT CAREY
LOS ANGELES TIMES
A simple plea for reassurance ― "You'd tell me, wouldn't you?" ― is about all the discussion many couples can manage on the topic of marital infidelity. That's one reason social scientists have left the study of hidden love largely to novelists and poets.
"Although we can describe sexual desire, we don't know how to measure it scientifically," says Dr. Stephen Levine, a psychiatrist at Case Western Reserve University's School of Medicine and co-editor of the Handbook Of Clinical Sexuality, a guide to help doctors address sexual concerns.
For many years, most of what scientists knew about infidelity came from marital therapists' interviews with clients or from psychologists who asked men and women to answer questions about hypothetical affairs. In the past few years, however, researchers have begun to conduct larger, more rigorous surveys, asking about real experiences. The evidence has contributed to an emerging body of thinking about who cheats, when and why.
Contrary to one commonly held view, many people who report being in happy marriages commit adultery. Their yearning for variety warps their judgment, even when they fully appreciate the risks of infidelity. For when an affair is revealed, clinicians report, the impact on the marriage is usually catastrophic.
"Those who assume that only bad people in bad marriages cheat can blind themselves to their own risk," says Beth Allen, a researcher at the University of Denver who, with colleagues David Atkins, of the Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif., and the late Shirley Glass, a Baltimore family psychologist, recently completed an extensive review of infidelity research.
Several recent surveys suggest the majority of people do not cheat, either because they cannot bear the thought of betrayal, cannot drum up the interest or perhaps have already known the profound pain of losing an important relationship.
Yet U.S. studies find that more than one in five Americans do have an affair, at least once in their lives, and that women are now about as likely as men to cross the line.
The first few years of marriage are a dangerous time, new research shows.
An analysis conducted in 2000 by sociologists in New York found two distinct patterns in the timing of affairs. A married woman's likelihood of straying is highest in the first five years and falls off gradually with time, according to the survey of 3,432 U.S. adults. Men have two high-risk phases, one during the first five years of marriage and, the second, after the 20th year.
The psychological underpinnings of early affairs often are tied up with the vows themselves, some experts say. As well-intentioned as they can be, vows are still open-ended pledges ― of unknown cost, of blind sacrifice. Very often, their gravity doesn't sink in right away; and young married men and women often have a lingering appetite for the flirtation and sexually charged attention that was the lifeblood of their single lives, marital therapists say.
"One reason for starting an affair, especially for young couples, is rebelliousness against the vows, against the very idea that `I'm never ever going to make love to another person,'" says Joel Block, a clinical psychologist in New York and author of Naked Intimacy.
Even when people welcome the sacrifice, and honour vows without reservation, the promises can lend a false sense of security. The commitment is firm, but the imagination may lag behind.
In one recent study, University of Vermont psychologists surveyed 180 couples who were either married or living with a partner. Fully 98 per cent of the men and 80 per cent of the women reported having a sexual fantasy about someone other than their partner at least once in the previous two months. The longer couples were together, the more likely both partners were to report having fantasies. The frequency and vividness of these thoughts may themselves lead a man or woman to believe their love for a partner is fading, Levine says.
Then something happens. A blowout argument. A promotion. A school reunion, the loss of a job, an e-mail from an old boyfriend. Some triumph or loss that opens a door through which a person is now primed to walk. The delights of an affair have already been richly imagined. The consequences are now minimized: "Many couples survive affairs; stop depriving yourself; it's an experience, part of the richness of life," a person might tell herself or himself.
"Whatever the final provocation," Levine says, "the person decides ― actively makes a choice to participate at every step along the way."
The evidence that this kind of logic can lead people astray from apparently satisfying, long-lived, stable relationships is circumstantial but compelling. In one recent analysis, researchers at the University of California, Irvine, found that people who claimed their marriage was "very happy" were two times as likely to cheat on their spouses as those who said their marriage was "extremely happy."
The given reasons for these affairs range widely. In research for a book, Diane Shader Smith, a Los Angeles writer, conducted in-depth interviews with more than 175 married women who had had or were currently involved in an affair.
There were "revenge" flings: One woman had a brief affair after she found out that her (now former) husband had cheated on her. There were "motivational" flings: A Los Angeles doctor's wife had affairs whenever she needed an impetus to lose weight. And certainly love can come into play: One middle-age woman living out in the country had a 10-year affair with her neighbour's husband.
"One thing many had in common was chemistry," Smith says. "They all described that, the chemistry with another man, the casual brush against the arm, that orgasm-on-the-spot feeling," she says. Most of the women interviewed were unapologetic, Smith says; many had kept their secret, and preferred to stay in their marriage, risks and all. In previous surveys, men have expressed similar motives, although primarily focused on the thrill of sensual pleasure.
Psychologists may never know the true impact of infidelity on marriage. Most couples do not seek therapy, whether an affair is suspected or revealed.
Among couples who do pursue counselling, however, there's little doubt: Infidelity hits like a hurricane. In one recent study of 62 Israeli couples seeing therapists to help cope with affairs, one-third eventually divorced; about half limped along in still-troubled marriages, according to researchers at Hebrew University, in Jerusalem.
Only nine of the couples, or 14 per cent, seemed to bounce back and show signs of real growth and optimism in their marriage, the psychologists reported.
Looked through the article you quoted,I have to say,again,that it approves how fragile human being is.
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Then something happens. A blowout argument. A promotion. A school reunion, the loss of a job, an e-mail from an old boyfriend. Some triumph or loss that opens a door through which a person is now primed to walk. The delights of an affair have already been richly imagined. The consequences are now minimized: "Many couples survive affairs; stop depriving yourself; it's an experience, part of the richness of life," a person might tell herself or himself.
"Whatever the final provocation," Levine says, "the person decides ― actively makes a choice to participate at every step along the way."
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The figures strongly support the topic but the point is that situations in U.S.A don't necessarily apply to all over the world or civilizations. The vow is a vow. Those who decided to break the vow cannot say the vow is wrong,right? The whole value system is being challenged largely due to gradity of desire. Desire to sexual contact out of the marrige is the key to adultery just like desire to get rich, desire to know unknown world, desire to explore and etc. Some of these desires are incentives for human beings to keep developing and build up values but some of them, say desire to adultery is definetely not a positive factor. We couldn't deny that many people have affairs while keeping their marriages. Neither could we deny that this kind of behavior is wrong. Again,no matter how scientifically reasonable for adultery,there is NEVER EVER any excuse to break the vow. It is exceptional if those people doubt it from the begining or just take it as one step of the process during their wedding ceremony.
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Then something happens. A blowout argument. A promotion. A school reunion, the loss of a job, an e-mail from an old boyfriend. Some triumph or loss that opens a door through which a person is now primed to walk. The delights of an affair have already been richly imagined. The consequences are now minimized: "Many couples survive affairs; stop depriving yourself; it's an experience, part of the richness of life," a person might tell herself or himself.
"Whatever the final provocation," Levine says, "the person decides ― actively makes a choice to participate at every step along the way."
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The figures strongly support the topic but the point is that situations in U.S.A don't necessarily apply to all over the world or civilizations. The vow is a vow. Those who decided to break the vow cannot say the vow is wrong,right? The whole value system is being challenged largely due to gradity of desire. Desire to sexual contact out of the marrige is the key to adultery just like desire to get rich, desire to know unknown world, desire to explore and etc. Some of these desires are incentives for human beings to keep developing and build up values but some of them, say desire to adultery is definetely not a positive factor. We couldn't deny that many people have affairs while keeping their marriages. Neither could we deny that this kind of behavior is wrong. Again,no matter how scientifically reasonable for adultery,there is NEVER EVER any excuse to break the vow. It is exceptional if those people doubt it from the begining or just take it as one step of the process during their wedding ceremony.
