加拿大：头疼+面瘫+昏厥，9人接种辉瑞疫苗后报65种症状。魁北克7个老人接种28天后感染，有效率29%都可能虚报了。安省居民接种后死亡

[wensha]

所以说，不是疫苗有问题，而是老人有问题。原文呢？如果已经是临终的人，如此紧俏的疫苗为什么要优先给他们使用？如果不打疫苗，绝大多数老人应该依然在世吧？

优先顺序和上呼吸机相反。挪威还在调查中。美国也是先供应最危险的人群，目前已完成超过1000万人，除了医护，主要是老人。严重过敏反应二十万分之一，死亡率是零。

 

[c8848]

Long term care的老人优先。渥太华昨天所有LTC老人第一针打完，下来是retirement home的老人。

 

[wensha]

人家没说谎。
难道不是老人？


另外，病危的老人，临终关怀的老人还要打疫苗？我严重怀疑你造谣。

临终关怀的老人，要不要打疫苗，你说了不算。
你是不是在造谣，还真不用怀疑。

 

[Ottawa005]

现在打疫苗已数已过千万，再过一二个月，有效性和短期副作用都会一目了然

这种事没必要藏，也藏不住

是的，重要的是看懂数据，有些人在哪儿使劲喊拼命喊 “以色列240接种辉瑞疫苗的感染新冠啦”，有头脑的读者，要把整体数据看懂搞清楚

接种辉瑞疫苗后，约240名以色列人感染新冠

 

[向问天]

临终关怀的老人，要不要打疫苗，你说了不算。
你是不是在造谣，还真不用怀疑。

不是我想说了算，我是怀疑挪威政府不会那么蠢。

 

[向问天]

是的，重要的是看懂数据，有些人在哪儿使劲喊拼命喊 “以色列240接种辉瑞疫苗的感染新冠啦”，有头脑的读者，要把整体数据看懂搞清楚

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接种辉瑞疫苗后，约240名以色列人感染新冠

无症状感染计算在内吗？

 

[PipiMom]

有谣传 英国有专家质疑美国辉瑞疫苗有效率造假，故意使用了不科学的统计方法将29%有效率为了政治目的拼凑成95%，是否真实有待于进一步调查。

一家之言， 有人解释过。好像方舟子也解释过。

 

[PipiMom]

副作用不怕多，只怕不可逆转和严重威胁生命，且发生概率高。

就如同上海那个伪疫苗专家陶说科兴疫苗有73种副作用是世界罪危险疫苗一样 来反对疫苗。


这个马里兰医学院的助理教授教授怀疑 mRNA疫苗有效性只有29%， 看谁是专家论证一下

Peter Doshi: Pfizer and Moderna’s “95% effective” vaccines—we need more details and the raw data - The BMJ

On 5 February 2021 we published a clarification to this piece. It is available here. Five weeks ago, when I raised questions about the results of Pfizer’s and Moderna’s covid-19 [...]More...

blogs.bmj.com

据说这人不是疫苗方面专家。 而且那是博客，不是论文。

 

[向问天]

一家之言， 有人解释过。好像方舟子也解释过。

这里解释得很清楚。
这么简单的事，我们不需要方舟子。

 

[Ottawa005]

既然以色列接种率走在前面，现在接种率已是 25% 了，今后以色列的疫情发展值得关注

Israel Coronavirus: 541,864 Cases and 3,943 Deaths - Worldometer

接种率 50% 时：？
接种率 70% 时：？
接种率如果能达到 90% ：？

 

[lindamy]

Foxnews 的报道：辉瑞的试验没有包括85岁以上的老年人。挪威的23人死亡不能排除疫苗的副作用。

Norway ‘cannot rule out’ COVID-19 vaccine side effects were behind 23 deaths in 'frail, elderly' patients​

Pfizer says Norway officials aren't alarmed, deaths expected among older patient populations​

By Kayla Rivas | Fox News

Fox News Flash top headlines are here. Check out what's clicking on Foxnews.com.

A top doctor for Norway’s drug regulatory agency on Friday suggested side effects from the Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine may have contributed to deaths in some older patients.

Dr. Sigurd Hortemo, chief physician at the Norwegian Medicines Agency, said in a statement that common side effects like fever and nausea shortly after vaccination may have led to more serious outcomes and deaths among elderly, frail patients.

According to the Norwegian Medicines Agency, as of Thursday, reports of 23 suspected deaths were sent to the Norwegian ADR health registry, including 13 reports assessed by health officials. The patients died within a week of vaccination, a spokesperson said.

"We cannot rule out that adverse reactions to the vaccine occurring within the first days following vaccination (such as fever and nausea) may contribute to more serious course and fatal outcome in patients with severe underlying disease," the agency said in the statement.

The statement noted that Pfizer’s large clinical trials didn’t test the vaccine on patients with severe illness or those older than 85.

Indeed, prior to emergency approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, a committee advising the agency endorsed the product and found no specific safety concerns among subgroup analyses but did list several unknowns that will need to be investigated further, including duration of immunity, efficacy in certain high-risk populations, those previously infected, as well as effectiveness among asymptomatic infection, long-term effects of COVID-19 disease, mortality and transmission of SARS-CoV-2. The trial tested patients up to 85 years old.

According to Pfizer, the Norway agency isn't alarmed by the small number of incidents.

"Our immediate thoughts are with the bereaved families," Pfizer wrote to Fox News in an emailed statement. "Pfizer and BioNTech are aware of reported deaths following administration of BNT162b2. We are working with the Norwegian Medicines Agency (NOMA) to gather all the relevant information. The Norwegian Authorities have prioritized the immunization of residents in nursing homes, most of whom are very elderly with underlying medical conditions and some who are terminally ill."

"NOMA confirmed the number of incidents so far is not alarming, and in line with expectations," the statement continues. "All reported deaths will be thoroughly evaluated by NOMA to determine if there is any relation to the vaccine. The Norwegian government will also consider adjusting their vaccination instructions to take the patients’ health into consideration."

Nevertheless, the medical director of the Norwegian drug agency advised against frail patients receiving the vaccine.

"If you are very frail, you should probably not be vaccinated," Steinar Madsen at the Norwegian Medicines Agency told reporters Thursday, per Norway Today.

COVID-19 vaccines typically require several weeks before the body builds enough immunity to protect against the disease.

Pfizer’s shot has been reported to create non-serious adverse reactions such as pain at the injection site, fatigue, headache, muscle pain, chills, joint pain, fever, injection site swelling, injection site redness, nausea, malaise and lymphadenopathy, though experts say these symptoms typically self-resolve several days after vaccination.

Norway ‘cannot rule out’ COVID-19 vaccine side effects were behind 23 deaths in 'frail, elderly' patients

A top doctor for Norway’s drug regulatory agency on Friday suggested side effects from the Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine may have contributed to deaths in some older patients.

www.foxnews.com

 

[ottawa_tj]

中国65岁以上不给打疫苗。

是60岁以上不能打，只接种18到59岁的。

 

[阿土仔]

是60岁以上不能打，只接种18到59岁的。

所以老年人不会死在疫苗上，数据也好看。

 

[billwanhua]

既然以色列接种率走在前面，现在接种率已是 25% 了，今后以色列的疫情发展值得关注

Israel Coronavirus: 541,864 Cases and 3,943 Deaths - Worldometer

接种率 50% 时：？
接种率 70% 时：？
接种率如果能达到 90% ：？

以色列是最好的实验对象，人口小，接种效率高，如果到90%，应该是群体免疫，不管有没有副作用，先看看他们有没有制止流行

 

[jason88]

这有什么好争的，打到1000万，看看有多少人感染就知道了。如果没用，要辉瑞负责的国家多的是，肯定还是头版头条。
如果楼主不放心，到时不打就是了。可以回中国，化400元打灭活如果老共发慈悲让你成行。