贵圈贵圈你的氯喹在印度大放异彩，+414,433 和只有你相信的死亡数字+4,200 new record，印度专家证实部分新冠患者感染罕见的“毛霉菌病”，和氯喹有关。

[longshan]

氯喹功不可没啊

日均 +240,668啦。​

 

[billwanhua]

楼主是死磕的节奏呀。圈哥不是改口说只防重症吗。

 

[贵圈]

一帮无知

 

[贵圈]

我从来是说的很清楚。hcq正确使用会降低感染患者重症率。

 

[longshan]

楼主是死磕的节奏呀。圈哥不是改口说只防重症吗。

+271,566 new cases

 

[longshan]

+271,566 new cases

275,306 new cases and 1,625 new deaths

 

[billwanhua]

275,306 new cases and 1,625 new deaths

那么多人到恒河，恒河水不仅无效，可能变成病毒大澡盆，病毒太多，稀释不了。

 

[贵圈]

你这是废话，早说了，不是因为HCQ，印度早在去年3月份就应该是世界之最了，从任何角度看，印度感染和死亡都应该一直是世界之首。但是，到现在，病毒变异了，死亡率依然低。当然感染数字肯定高。变异的病毒真猛。

Common sense。

 

[贵圈]

最近一天

印度感染死亡率
日感染273802，日死亡1227， 0.45%

加拿大感染死亡率
日感染7600，日死亡32， 0.42%

加拿大什么医疗水平和条件, HCQ直接将印度的卫生水平提高的加拿大级别。考虑一下恒河水，考虑一下印度的密度，考虑一下手抓饭。考虑一下印度的贫民窟。考虑一下人民素质，考虑一下双变异的恒河。。。

美国，最好的疫苗随便打
日感染52391，日死亡352， 0.67%

哈哈，牛拜吧印度？印度能拿小红花的唯一因素，就是HCQ。

 

[贵圈]

有人把感染数和HCQ挂钩，幸好圈儿早就吧HCQ说清楚了，本质就是降低病毒复制能力。也就是说，你感染了，可以尽可能保持轻症而不会那么快进入重症。

所以，对covid19，HCQ可能会降低感染率，（因为感染者不发生重症，其感染范围，就小，整个社会表征感染率就应该降低）。但是这种效应不能靠双盲实验证明，这是集群效应。

但是这种对社会整体感染率的压低，可能在第一波展示，但不一定在第二波有用。病毒的进化，就是抗药，抗疫苗。印度双变异，非常有可能是病毒对印度HCQ的一种逃逸。因此第二波，病毒感染更厉害。索性，感染死亡率依然保持很低。

双变异，会在未来几个月在加拿大出现，呵呵呵。现在就看你打的是什么疫苗，这个疫苗能不能对付双变异了。我本人肯定是把好的AZJJ灭活，留给有需要的群众地。我肯定要打mRNA。就冲着双变异，我也要以身试毒，打mRNA。

 

[longshan]

一帮无知

294,290 new cases and 2,020 new deaths

 

[贵圈]

still wuzhi

 

[贵圈]

有人把感染数和HCQ挂钩，幸好圈儿早就吧HCQ说清楚了，本质就是降低病毒复制能力。也就是说，你感染了，可以尽可能保持轻症而不会那么快进入重症。

所以，对covid19，HCQ可能会降低感染率，（因为感染者不发生重症，其感染范围，就小，整个社会表征感染率就应该降低）。但是这种效应不能靠双盲实验证明，这是集群效应。

但是这种对社会整体感染率的压低，可能在第一波展示，但不一定在第二波有用。病毒的进化，就是抗药，抗疫苗。印度双变异，非常有可能是病毒对印度HCQ的一种逃逸。因此第二波，病毒感染更厉害。索性，感染死亡率依然保持很低。

双变异，会在未来几个月在加拿大出现，呵呵呵。现在就看你打的是什么疫苗，这个疫苗能不能对付双变异了。我本人肯定是把好的AZJJ灭活，留给有需要的群众地。我肯定要打mRNA。就冲着双变异，我也要以身试毒，打mRNA。

 

[longshan]

有人把感染数和HCQ挂钩，幸好圈儿早就吧HCQ说清楚了，本质就是降低病毒复制能力。也就是说，你感染了，可以尽可能保持轻症而不会那么快进入重症。

所以，对covid19，HCQ可能会降低感染率，（因为感染者不发生重症，其感染范围，就小，整个社会表征感染率就应该降低）。但是这种效应不能靠双盲实验证明，这是集群效应。

但是这种对社会整体感染率的压低，可能在第一波展示，但不一定在第二波有用。病毒的进化，就是抗药，抗疫苗。印度双变异，非常有可能是病毒对印度HCQ的一种逃逸。因此第二波，病毒感染更厉害。索性，感染死亡率依然保持很低。

双变异，会在未来几个月在加拿大出现，呵呵呵。现在就看你打的是什么疫苗，这个疫苗能不能对付双变异了。我本人肯定是把好的AZJJ灭活，留给有需要的群众地。我肯定要打mRNA。就冲着双变异，我也要以身试毒，打mRNA。

死亡数字印度人自己都不信,没有木头了,自己带木头, Bring your own wood​

Non-stop cremations cast doubt on India’s counting of COVID dead​

Several major cities are reporting far larger numbers of cremations and burials under coronavirus protocols than official death tolls.

Relatives of COVID victims at Nigambodh Ghat crematorium in New Delhi. [File: Naveen Sharma/SOPA Images/LightRocket via Getty Images]
20 Apr 2021
Gas and firewood furnaces at a crematorium in the western Indian state of Gujarat have been running so long without a break during the COVID-19 pandemic that metal parts have begun to melt.
“We are working around the clock at 100 percent capacity to cremate bodies on time,” Kamlesh Sailor, the president of the trust that runs the crematorium in the diamond-polishing city of Surat, told the Reuters news agency.
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And with hospitals full and oxygen and medicines in short supply in an already creaky health system, several big cities are reporting far larger numbers of cremations and burials under coronavirus protocols than official COVID-19 death tolls, according to crematorium and cemetery workers, media and a review of government data.
India’s daily COVID-19 cases retreated from record levels on Tuesday but stayed above the 200,000 mark for a sixth-straight day, with cases increasing by 259,170 over the last 24 hours. Deaths rose by a record 1,761, health ministry data showed.
Officially, almost 180,000 Indians have died from coronavirus, 15,000 of them this month, although some believe the real number may be higher.
Indian social media and newspaper reports have been flooded with horrifying images of row upon row of burning pyres and crematoriums unable to cope.

‘Haven’t seen so many dead bodies’​

In the western state of Gujarat, many crematoriums in Surat, Rajkot, Jamnagar and Ahmedabad are operating around the clock with three to four times more bodies than normal.

This picture taken on April 13, 2021 shows burning funeral pyres of patients who died due to the coronavirus disease at a crematorium in Surat [AFP]In the diamond hub of Surat, Gujarat’s second-largest city, Sailor’s Kurukshetra crematorium and a second crematorium known as Umra have cremated more than 100 bodies a day under COVID-19 protocols over the last week, far in excess of the city’s official daily coronavirus death toll of approximately 25, according to interviews with workers.

Prashant Kabrawala, a trustee of Narayan Trust, which manages a third city crematorium called Ashwinikumar, declined to provide the number of bodies received under the virus’ protocols but said cremations there had tripled in recent weeks.
“I have been regularly going to the crematorium since 1987, and been involved in its day-to-day functioning since 2005, but I haven’t seen so many dead bodies coming for cremation in all these years,” even during an outbreak of the bubonic plague in 1994 and floods in 2006.
The iron frames inside another in Surat melted because there was no time to let the furnaces cool.
“Until last month we were cremating 20-odd bodies per day… But since the beginning of April we have been handling over 80 bodies every day,” said a local official at the Ramnath Ghela Crematorium in the city.

Last week, Sandesh, a Gujarati newspaper, counted 63 bodies leaving a single COVID-19-only hospital for burial in the state’s largest city, Ahmedabad, on a day where government data showed 20 coronavirus deaths.
The chimney of one electric furnace in Ahmedabad cracked and collapsed after being in constant use for up to 20 hours every day for the past two weeks.
With waiting times of up to eight hours, Rajkot has set up a dedicated 24/7 control room to manage the flow in the city’s four crematoriums.
Government spokesmen in Gujarat did not respond to requests for comment.

A relative leans against a glass window at the crematorium where a family member who died from the coronavirus disease is prepared for cremation, in New Delhi [Anushree Fadnavis/Reuters]

Bring your own wood​

In Lucknow, the capital of the populous northern state of Uttar Pradesh, data from the largest coronavirus-only crematorium, Baikunth Dham, shows double the number of bodies arriving on six different days in April than government data on COVID-19 deaths for the entire city.
At two crematoriums in Lucknow, relatives were given numbered tokens and made to wait for up to 12 hours. One started burning bodies in an adjacent park, an official told AFP news agency.
Rohit Singh, whose father died from COVID-19, said crematorium officials were charging around 7,000 rupees ($100) – almost 20 times the normal rate.
Some crematoriums in Lucknow ran out of wood and asked people to bring it themselves. Viral photos on social media showed electric rickshaws laden down with logs.
In Ghaziabad outside New Delhi, television pictures showed bodies wrapped in shrouds lined up on biers on the pavement with weeping relatives waiting for their slot.
The ultimate place for Hindus to be cremated is Varanasi, the ancient city where since time immemorial bodies have been burned on the banks of the river Ganges.
Belbhadra, who works at one of the famous ghats there, told AFP that they were cremating at least 200 suspected coronavirus victims per day.
The usual time to get to the ghat – a riverside embankment for cremations – from the main road via narrow lanes was usually three or four minutes, a resident said.
“Now it takes around 20 minutes. that’s how crowded the lanes are with people waiting to cremate the dead,” he said.
The figures from Lucknow do not take into account a second COVID-19-only crematorium in the city or burials in the Muslim community that makes up a quarter of the city’s population.
Crematorium head Azad, who goes by only one name, said the number of cremations under COVID-19 protocols had risen five-fold in recent weeks.
“We are working day and night,” he said. “The incinerators are running full time but still many people have to wait with the bodies for the last rites.”
A spokesman for the Uttar Pradesh government did not respond to a request for comment.

‘I will run out of space in 3-4 days’​

A summer storm is buffeting New Delhi as Mohammed Shamim wearily pauses to glance at yet another ambulance arriving with a coronavirus victim to bury, just minutes after the last.
The gravedigger’s grim workload, like those of others around India, has grown dramatically in the past few weeks in a brutal second wave that has caught authorities badly off guard.

People offer prayers before burying the victims who died due to the coronavirus disease, at a graveyard in New Delhi [Danish Siddiqui/Reuters]When AFP visited the Jadid Qabristan Ahle cemetery in the Indian capital – which is now in a week-long lockdown – on Friday, 11 bodies arrived within three hours.

By sunset, 20 bodies were in the ground. This compares to some days in December and January, when his earthmoving machine stayed idle and when many thought the pandemic was over.
“Now, it looks like the virus has legs,” Shamim, 38, a gravedigger like his father and grandfather, told AFP. “At this rate, I will run out of space in three or four days.”
Around the graveyard, white body bags or coffins made out of cheap wood are carried around by people in blue or yellow protective suits and lowered into graves.
Small groups of men, some in skullcaps, look solemnly at the ground as the imam, struggling to be heard as dust laced with rain swirls around, recites final prayers.
Sobbing women watch from their closed car windows next to the flashing lights of an ambulance as a yellow digger fills up the graves with the dry brown and grey soil.
“Two days ago someone came to me and said he needs to start preparing for his mother because doctors had given up on her,” Shamim said.
“It’s unreal. I never thought I’d see the day where I’d have a request for starting the funeral formalities of a living person.”
Elsewhere, India Today magazine reported two crematoriums in Bhopal, the capital of the central state of Madhya Pradesh, 187 bodies were cremated following COVID-19 protocols in four days this month, while the official coronavirus death toll stood at five.

‘Data denial’​

India is not the only country to have its coronavirus statistics questioned. But the testimony of workers and a growing body of academic literature suggest deaths in India are being under-reported compared with other countries.
Experts say reliable data is at the heart of any government response to the pandemic, without which planning for hospital vacancies, oxygen and medicine becomes difficult.
Bhramar Mukherjee, a professor of biostatistics and epidemiology at the University of Michigan, said many parts of India were in “data denial”.
“Everything is so muddy,” she said. “It feels like nobody understands the situation very clearly and that’s very irksome.”
Mukherjee’s research of India’s first wave concludes that there were 11 times more infections than were reported, in line with estimates from studies in other countries. There were also between two and five times as many deaths than were reported, far in excess of global averages.
The Lancet medical journal noted last year that four Indian states making up 65 percent of COVID-19 fatalities nationally each registered 100 percent of their coronavirus deaths.
But fewer than a quarter of deaths in India are medically certified, particularly in rural areas, meaning the true COVID-19 death rate in many of India’s 24 other states may never be known.
Government officials say the mismatch in death tallies may be caused by several factors, including over-caution.
A senior state health official said the increase in numbers of cremations had been due to bodies being cremated using COVID-19 protocols “even if there is 0.1 percent probability of the person being positive”.
“In many cases, patients come to hospital in an extremely critical condition and die before they are tested and there are instances where patients are brought dead to hospital, and we do not know if they are positive or not,” the official said

 

[贵圈]

你没抓住要点。第一波。到年初已经几乎完全控制了。没有扛着木头的照片。从来没为印度的卫生条件辩护。从来说，印度没有HCQ，COVID早就应该世界第一了。印度去年政府防疫不会比今年强。

为什么能控制得这么好？
很简单HCQ，这是印度唯一的依赖。


今年三月份开始，那是病毒逃逸（很可能双重变异就是对HCQ的抗药性）。病毒逃逸之后，印度政府都的防疫低能终于显示出来了。

现在印度的数字依然不必美国差。将来越惨，越说明，印度并没有刻意隐瞒，也越说明，HCQ在第一波起到了何等重要的作用。

所以，印度数字未来越差，反而证明第一波，印度靠着某种神奇的策略，取得了比世界上绝大多数国家都好的防疫。但是，病毒逃逸，印度真正的防疫实力显现出来了。