美国给每辆电车7500退税,但是只有在自由贸易国家生产的才符合

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买得起电车的人根本不在乎这几千块钱好伐。
 
旧闻吧,搞了快一个月了,重点:
1. 取消了补贴最高每个厂家20万个车,所以以前不合格的厂家(超过了补贴限额)比喻特斯拉也可以继续补贴了
2. 从明年开始逐渐提高补贴要求,在北美和美国有贸易协议的国家都可以,(台湾欧洲都不行),至少是40%, 然后逐年增加。按照这个标准,目前没有一个车厂能够享受补贴。 40% of the metals used in an EV battery must come from North America or a country that the U.S. has a free-trade agreement with. That number would increase to 80% by 2027. Half of the tax credit is based on the mineral requirement.
3.韩国虽然跟美国有贸易协定,也有可能享受补贴,但是所有韩国电池材料都50%以上来源于中国,所以目前韩国厂家如果想要享受这个,必须重新搞所有电池材料

主要是跟中国竞争吧,在电池和电池材料方面,中国遥遥领先。

看看美国有没有后发优势了。:evil:
 
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旧闻吧,搞了快一个月了,重点:
1. 取消了补贴最高每个厂家20万个车,所以以前不合格的厂家比喻特斯拉(超过了补贴限额)也可以继续补贴了
2. 从明年开始逐渐提高补贴要求,在北美和美国有贸易协议的国家都可以,(台湾欧洲都不行),至少是40%, 然后逐年增加。按照这个标准,目前没有一个车厂能够享受补贴。 40% of the metals used in an EV battery must come from North America or a country that the U.S. has a free-trade agreement with. That number would increase to 80% by 2027. Half of the tax credit is based on the mineral requirement.
3.韩国虽然跟美国有贸易协定,也有可能享受补贴,但是所有韩国电池材料都50%以上来源于中国,所以目前韩国厂家如果想要享受这个,必须重新搞所有电池材料

主要是跟中国竞争吧,在电池和电池材料方面,中国遥遥领先。

In many raw materials, Korean batteries are dependent on China’s supplies by 90 or more. All this will stop South Korean businesses from expanding the use of electric vehicles in the United States, since the subsidy program, launched next January, sets clear requirements for the content of material from unfriendly countries in electric vehicle traction batteries which fall under the program.

 
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旧闻吧,搞了快一个月了,重点:
1. 取消了补贴最高每个厂家20万个车,所以以前不合格的厂家(超过了补贴限额)比喻特斯拉也可以继续补贴了
2. 从明年开始逐渐提高补贴要求,在北美和美国有贸易协议的国家都可以,(台湾欧洲都不行),至少是40%, 然后逐年增加。按照这个标准,目前没有一个车厂能够享受补贴。 40% of the metals used in an EV battery must come from North America or a country that the U.S. has a free-trade agreement with. That number would increase to 80% by 2027. Half of the tax credit is based on the mineral requirement.
3.韩国虽然跟美国有贸易协定,也有可能享受补贴,但是所有韩国电池材料都50%以上来源于中国,所以目前韩国厂家如果想要享受这个,必须重新搞所有电池材料

主要是跟中国竞争吧,在电池和电池材料方面,中国遥遥领先。

看看美国有没有后发优势了。:evil:

我还是那个问题,特斯拉的电池是不是世界领先?还是特斯拉的电池只有中国能生产?中国的电池是技术领先还是供应链方面的领先?是设计领先还是生产领先?
 
我还是那个问题,特斯拉的电池是不是世界领先?还是特斯拉的电池只有中国能生产?中国的电池是技术领先还是供应链方面的领先?是设计领先还是生产领先?
特斯拉不生产电池吧,特斯拉以前好像用的是松下电池,中国的特斯拉和出口欧洲的版本基本是都是用中国的电池。日本的很多电池原料也来源于中国。

特斯拉的电池技术是电池管理,但是特斯拉最近设计了新的电池包装和冷却技术来提高能量密度,比喻4860电池,但是自己却不生产,也没有电池材料。

中国的比亚迪是唯一搞垂直整合的厂家,像苹果一样(芯片,手机,软件垂直整合),从原料,车用芯片到电池到汽车等等垂直整合。

中国应该是全方位电池领先,比亚迪和宁德时代都有自己的独门电池包装技术,可以跟4860电池媲美


至于特斯拉,实际上就目前来讲,特斯拉并没有自己量产的电池产品,也就是说,特斯拉自己并不生产电池,而是依靠电池供应商提供,比如松下、LG化学、三星SK以及国内的宁德时代,比如国产的Model 3(配置|询价)低配车型如今搭载的就是宁德时代提供的磷酸铁锂电池,而高配车型配备的则是来自LG化学的三元锂电池。而在之前,特斯拉一直采用松下的18650电池,这种电池就是我们常见的笔记本电脑的电池。特斯拉凭借出色的电池管理系统BMS,硬是将一款车上的7000多节18650电池管理到位,当然,这也并不是没有风险,早些年特斯拉频频自燃就是电池或电池管理系统出了问题。
 
18650只是电池的尺寸型号,根据正极材料的不同,常见的18650电池可分为磷酸铁锂电池、钴酸锂电池、三元锂电池。
特斯拉现在想全面上LFP 但是中国自己的电动车都满足不上
 
没有哪个品牌的电车达标。
 
特斯拉有自己生产(顶尖技术)电池(在内华达; Nevada),但也将部分电池需求交给其他厂,只是大量生产技术(生产线)至今坚决不给,而是要求他厂(松下、LG...)自己从技术上搞定(以免技术泄漏)。特斯拉说过,他的工厂技术本身就极具价值(软、硬体整合、机器人应用、动线技术...)。

特斯拉绝对不会放弃三元锂电池,因为顶级款(加速、充电、体积...)车型还是需要。

至于研发路线,我猜战略上是「以夷制夷」,希望分散地缘政治风险,最终产地得自己搞定生产线,尤其是中国、美国。以中国而言,目前生产线(供应链)比较差的,就是晶片(过去几年中国花了大钱却打水漂了!)。所以晶片部分中国还不行,这也是为何中国特斯拉的「国产化」只完成了大约 95%。

电池。目前最先热门(研发讨论度)的电池规格是4680(目前试量产中),不是楼上说的 4860。还有,汽车电池也几乎不提18650了,要提,也会提目前广用的 2170(18650的最后面那个0 省略不提了)。现在电池规格只提前面4位数。4680就是46mm(宽度), 80mm(长度)

特斯拉的BMS是顶尖技术。

BYD, CATL也有电池独门技术(以及背后的供应链),但我最终还是要看量产能力(且稳定品质)。三家电池我都看好,各有优势。

都说锂电池,但是我听说大功率电池都要用到镍,请问镍在这些电车电池扮演什么位置?
 
特斯拉有自己生产(顶尖技术)电池(在内华达; Nevada),但也将部分电池需求交给其他厂,只是大量生产技术(生产线)至今坚决不给,而是要求他厂(松下、LG...)自己从技术上搞定(以免技术泄漏)。特斯拉说过,他的工厂技术本身就极具价值(软、硬体整合、机器人应用、动线技术...)。

特斯拉绝对不会放弃三元锂电池,因为顶级款(加速、充电、体积...)车型还是需要。

至于研发路线,我猜战略上是「以夷制夷」,希望分散地缘政治风险,最终产地得自己搞定生产线,尤其是中国、美国。以中国而言,目前生产线(供应链)比较差的,就是晶片(过去几年中国花了大钱却打水漂了!)。所以晶片部分中国还不行,这也是为何中国特斯拉的「国产化」只完成了大约 95%。

电池。目前最热门(研发讨论度)的电池规格是4680(目前试量产中),不是楼上说的 4860。还有,汽车电池也几乎不提18650了,要提,也会提目前广用的 2170(18650的最后面那个0 省略不提了)。现在电池规格只提前面4位数。4680就是46mm(宽度), 80mm(长度)

特斯拉的BMS是顶尖技术。

BYD, CATL也有电池独门技术(以及背后的供应链),但我最终还是要看量产能力(且稳定品质)。三家电池我都看好,各有优势。
你说的不对,在内华达; Nevada是松下帮特斯拉生产,特斯拉自己没有。


The 2170-type was initially produced by Panasonic at the Tesla Gigafactory 1 in Nevada (currently at roughly 38-39 GWh/year). In recent years, LG Chem's LG Energy Solution has also become the supplier of such cells for Tesla - producing them in China, mainly for the Tesla Giga Shanghai plant.

未来4860也是设计,并且计划生产,然后鼓励合作伙伴生产制造
 
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全世界的电动车, 有哪个能离开中国的?
 
你自己读了吗:
In July 2014, it was announced that Panasonic had reached a basic agreement with Tesla to invest in a factory,[22][23][24] estimated to cost $5 billion.[25][26] The northern Nevada site and plans were announced with state officials on September 3, 2014.[8] Panasonic agreed to lead the battery cell production portion of the manufacturing, and Tesla CEO Elon Musk indicated in 2015 that the total Panasonic investment would be US$1.5–2 billion,[27] and that Tesla would not expand beyond original plans.[28] In early 2016 Panasonic president Kazuhiro Tsuga confirmed a planned total investment of about $1.6 billion by the company to equip the factory to full capacity.[29] However, after the number of Model 3 reservations became known in April 2016,[30] Panasonic moved production plans forward[31][32] and announced a bond sale for $3.86 billion, most of it to be invested in Gigafactory.[33][34][35]

Cell level​



Computer generated image comparing 2170 and 18650 cells

Panasonic makes the battery cells at the Gigafactory with the new form factor '2170', jointly designed and engineered by Tesla and Panasonic[123] and subsequently updated.[124] They are larger than the 18650 cells used in the Model S and Model X automobiles. While the new cells were originally expected to be at least 20 mm in diameter and 70 mm in length,[125][126] revised specifications for the optimized form factor are 21 mm (0.83 in) by 70 mm (2.8 in). Tesla thus refers to it as the '21–70'[106] or '2170'[123] whereas Samsung refer to the size as '21700'.[127]

Panasonic was expected to begin cell production in 2016,[111] and continue for at least 10 years.[128] Among the machines spotted at the opening in July 2016 were presses and rollers for cathodes.[129] Gigafactory began mass production of 2170 cells in January 2017.[15][117] Only Panasonic cells are to be used in the US-made Model 3,[130] and Tesla uses 21–70 format for Model 3 and Powerwall/Powerpack.[117] Panasonic owns some of the cell production equipment[128] in an area not accessible to non-Panasonic employees. By December 2018, Panasonic operated 11 cell production lines.[110] Some of the lines were temporarily converted from storage (NMC) to vehicle (NCA) to increase supply for the Model 3.[131]

Tesla uses nickel manganese cobalt (NMC) lithium cells for stationary storage (Powerwall and Powerpack), and nickel cobalt aluminium (NCA) lithium cells for vehicles.[132] The cell components are then encased in aluminum cans made by Heitkamp & Thumann inside GF1,[133][110] using 10,000 tons per year.[134] Panasonic delivered three million battery cells daily to Tesla in 2018.[110] An April 2019 report quoting former and current employees at Panasonic's side of the Gigafactory described how half a million of battery cells per day were scrapped because of production defects related to carelessness, lack of respect for operating procedures, and the overall pressure to increase output.[135][136][137] At the end of 2019, Panasonic had 3000 US workers and 200 Japanese technicians at Gigafactory 1,[136][better source needed] and quality had improved to increase production to a rate of 30 GWh/year on the same equipment. Panasonic occupies more than half of the factory,[137] operating 13 cell lines. In early 2021, Panasonic had its first annual profit in Gigafactory.[138][139] Panasonic operates a warehouse in TRIC,[140] and is making a research&education facility in the city of Reno.[141] By 2022, Panasonic had shipped more than 6 billion cells from Gigafactory.[142]
 
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