想要把出租房卖了，怎么做合法？

[吃肉的绵羊]

保险都可以抵税，收入高的，一半金额大概都抵税了。

我当年买房，td一个负责贷款的老外就让我贷定期，他说出租房需要的是稳定，房租balance 你的开支就可以了，多了要交税，而且还有活期贷款有风险，你需要有存款准备

厉害。怪不得这么多有钱人。

 

[luluyun]

我邻居的房子，租给一对夫妇十几年了。他们把房子地板毁了，几年前估计修需要3万5。他们的房租是1200多，包括Utility，以前不包Utility的，但是他们经常拖欠油费，燃料公司追着房东要钱，房东就把房租改成inclusive的了（每个月多200）。 他们用电用气特别费，还经常弄坏东西。他们的房租加起来，还不够一年的、地税、保险、维修费、铲雪。房东打算卖房，但是房客赶不走，这个房子前两年估计能卖80万，只要把地板等修复到可用的状态，结果房东40万卖不掉，后来房市不行了，更卖不掉，房东最后把价钱降到30万，才终于卖了。

 

[qiqi2014]

碰到这种租客太倒霉了。不过，这种毕竟是少数。大多数房东肯定都是挣钱的

 

[Littlecesar]

是的，N12自住，期限60天，需要提供一个月的房租补偿，而且这一个月租金必须在N12到期前给租客，否则N12作废。而租客拿了钱，也不一定必须搬走，可以等LTB的Hearing，目前一般需要8到10个月。
这个租客就是赢了N12 Hearing，不需要搬走，但是补偿金他已经取出来花了，他问需要不需要还给房东。
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第一次听说房东要搬回去住，结果被判bad faith.
是不是因为房东现住房没有卖掉，就判down size意愿不真实啊？

 

[luluyun]

第一次听说房东要搬回去住，结果被判bad faith.
是不是因为房东现住房没有卖掉，就判down size意愿不真实啊？

N12被判为Bad Faith的很多，比如租客有证据表明房东是想重新出租或者卖房，房东非法张租不成就要赶人，都有可能被判为Bad Faith。还有就是房东使用N12的时候犯了错误，没有在两个月期限前给租客一个月的房租，租客的名字或者描述情况有误，都有可能被扔出去，不过后一种可以重新申请。

另外，就算房东是Good Faith，也不一定能拿回自己的房子，房客可以援引RTA Section 83，就是如果房客有身体或者其他方面的困难，出于人道原因，不能被驱逐，或者延长驱逐期限。我记得有一个人说她的房东要自住赶他走，但是她的孩需要特殊教育，而只有少数学校能提供这个。如果她被驱逐了就很难在附近找到地方住，她的孩子就没学上了，于是判她可以继续住在那里。

下面的链接都是关于房东，但仍然拿不回自己的房子的案例:

If an N12 is filled out and served correctly, compensation is paid by the termination date, and good faith is proven at the LTB, can an N12 / L2 still be dismissed at the Board?

This post is about the importance of RTA section 83 ("Power of Board, Eviction"). There is a common misconception that satisfying techni...

residential-tenancies-ontario.blogspot.com

If an N12 is filled out and served correctly, compensation is paid by the termination date, and good faith is proven at the LTB, can an N12 / L2 still be dismissed at the Board?

This post is about the importance of RTA section 83 ("Power of Board, Eviction"). There is a common misconception that satisfying techni...

residential-tenancies-ontario.blogspot.com

 

[JeanJi]

第一次听说房东要搬回去住，结果被判bad faith.
是不是因为房东现住房没有卖掉，就判down size意愿不真实啊？

估计一开始和租客说要卖房，后来为了赶租客走又改口说自住。

 

[Littlecesar]

N12被判为Bad Faith的很多，比如租客有证据表明房东是想重新出租或者卖房，房东非法张租不成就要赶人，都有可能被判为Bad Faith。还有就是房东使用N12的时候犯了错误，没有在两个月期限前给租客一个月的房租，租客的名字或者描述情况有误，都有可能被扔出去，不过后一种可以重新申请。

另外，就算房东是Good Faith，也不一定能拿回自己的房子，房客可以援引RTA Section 83，就是如果房客有身体或者其他方面的困难，出于人道原因，不能被驱逐，或者延长驱逐期限。我记得有一个人说她的房东要自住赶他走，但是她的孩需要特殊教育，而只有少数学校能提供这个。如果她被驱逐了就很难在附近找到地方住，她的孩子就没学上了，于是判她可以继续住在那里。

下面的链接都是关于房东，但仍然拿不回自己的房子的案例:

If an N12 is filled out and served correctly, compensation is paid by the termination date, and good faith is proven at the LTB, can an N12 / L2 still be dismissed at the Board?

This post is about the importance of RTA section 83 ("Power of Board, Eviction"). There is a common misconception that satisfying techni...

residential-tenancies-ontario.blogspot.com

If an N12 is filled out and served correctly, compensation is paid by the termination date, and good faith is proven at the LTB, can an N12 / L2 still be dismissed at the Board?

This post is about the importance of RTA section 83 ("Power of Board, Eviction"). There is a common misconception that satisfying techni...

residential-tenancies-ontario.blogspot.com

房东有自住房没有卖，是不是很大概率造成失诉？因为有可能被问到现住房的未来安排。

 

[luluyun]

房东有自住房没有卖，是不是很大概率造成失诉？因为有可能被问到现住房的未来安排。

那也有可能，现在有的房东为了涨租就是把租客赶出出租房，自己搬进去，然后自己的房子出租。所以如果租客要挑战你的N12，为保险起见，找个，让他帮你充足理由，比如你因为地理位置需要住进出租房，或者出租房比较大，而你新增了人口需要大房子。

 

[Littlecesar]

那也有可能，现在有的房东为了涨租就是把租客赶出出租房，自己搬进去，然后自己的房子出租。所以如果租客要挑战你的N12，为保险起见，找个，让他帮你充足理由，比如你因为地理位置需要住进出租房，或者出租房比较大，而你新增了人口需要大房子。

嗯，谢谢分享

 

[luluyun]

第一次听说房东要搬回去住，结果被判bad faith.
是不是因为房东现住房没有卖掉，就判down size意愿不真实啊？

在评论里找到了这个人自述 赢了的原因
Ok
Sorry I don’t mean for ppl to argue and fight
I may have just figured out my own question
After asking a few friends
This would be my new understanding of it
First things first
LL wanted more money for rent then the allowed legal increase ( otherwise he would have moved a family member in ) told us basically he would say that if we didn’t give him what he wanted
Fast forward to the hearing
He had his lawyer and family there and represented etc etc
(Thanks to the LTB groups and lots of information on tenant rights etc etc ) we represented ourselves and explained everything that was going on.
In the end we are allowed to stay under the compassionate grounds because of our situation pertaining to our family
So we won and it doesn’t say anything about returning the compensation at all
It does however say
He was doing it in good faith
His family member was at the hearing and swore they were moving in
And that compensation was paid before the date we needed
Anyhow we won it because of our sayings which is good
But now back to the compensation
I think even though it doesn’t say anything about returning it
( if I have to I will no problem )
After asking around friends of mine basically say that if we do plan to move then we won’t get our last months rent back now
BUT
I think that he would still owe us interested over the last x amount of years we lived here
Maybe I’m wrong maybe I’m right
As far as I’ve read and heard about repaying
Is that the LTB has to say if it needs to be paid back or not
Any other information is greatly appreciated and I don’t mean to cause a stir
Very overwhelming for us as we have been relieved from tons of stress over the last year and a bit



Group member So it wasn't dismissed due to bad faith (in case the people who love claiming "most N12s are in bad faith" read this).
It was dismissed because it was in GOOD faith, but the member decided that part didn't matter.
As for the rent interest, if the rent was increased annually as the guidelines allow, then there's no interest owing, it gets applied to the top up. Otherwise yes it gets paid at the end.
For the compensation, yes you'd need to pay it back. I'm surprised the landlord hasn't asked for a review of the order yet, if not to at the very least have the compensation paid back since they're now stuck having to find a new place while subsidizing this one.



It was a pay him the illegal increase of x amount or he said he would be moving a family member in ( SAID HE WOULD ) but not going to happen as they live across the world in a different country
So he and she lied under oath
Even though on the declaration family member stated they were moving into the unit because they are getting help from there family
Didn’t say they would stay for a year or more
I fought that part by saying they never stated a year or more in the declaration ( at the time of filing everything it cannot be amended thereafter)
So it should have been dismissed regardless but adjucator gave them the benefit of the doubt because she was there on zoom and said they would move in
It’s a crazy case
I did explain a bit of it
I won’t go into it more
Just wanna know about paying back or not
And
I will pay it back if I have too
I have no problem
Just asking because other cases are told to pay it back and some are told nothing
Thanks for your input

 

[Teddy]

我邻居的房子，租给一对夫妇十几年了。他们把房子地板毁了，几年前估计修需要3万5。他们的房租是1200多，包括Utility，以前不包Utility的，但是他们经常拖欠油费，燃料公司追着房东要钱，房东就把房租改成inclusive的了（每个月多200）。 他们用电用气特别费，还经常弄坏东西。他们的房租加起来，还不够一年的、地税、保险、维修费、铲雪。房东打算卖房，但是房客赶不走，这个房子前两年估计能卖80万，只要把地板等修复到可用的状态，结果房东40万卖不掉，后来房市不行了，更卖不掉，房东最后把价钱降到30万，才终于卖了。

一个房子的月水电一切基本费用，只要两百块，显然不够。铲雪是租客的事儿吧。要不然，这住了十几年还是可以的，多大的房子，才要一千块？

 

[luluyun]

一个房子的月水电一切基本费用，只要两百块，显然不够。铲雪是租客的事儿吧。要不然，这住了十几年还是可以的，多大的房子，才要一千块？

房子不小，四个卧室，还带了1个多公顷的地。租客冬天经常开窗子，取暖季一个月至少500propane。铲雪按是房东的责任，不过如果双方有纠纷，而且租客是整租，有时候也会判给租客。他的房子，如果冬天不铲雪，加propane的卡车进不去。