23年印度航天要火了，3件里程碑事件

[greybear]

老掐不预设立场，对印度（莫迪）或俄罗斯（普金）都没有个人喜好或恩怨，这样才能客观。

印度这次必定失败，最好的结果是落下去，没有摔烂，但功能丧失，无法工作或和地球通讯。按科学的定义，是失败，也许印度还会说成功。LOL

good news is landing， but crash landing.
印度的着陆器最终未能进入100公里圆轨道，硬摔是大概率事件。大家下赌注吧

 

[ert0000]

凭什么？

说几点我掐算俄罗斯失败的客观理由

- 科技和工业产业薄弱，拉达汽车是俄罗斯和前苏联曾经的骄傲，有70-80年历史，这么长时间，拉达车还处在最底层的档次，战争后，俄罗斯的国产车唯有拉达，这个比最基本汽车还欠缺的车，能在俄罗斯卖得动，1万美元以下，中国几个在国内中下档次的车，现在在俄罗斯都成了中高端车卖。
- 供应链断层。没有完整的工业体系
- 战争造成人心浮动，国内搞破坏，自毁家产的人多
- 更不用说质量控制，项目管理等等，这些中国从西方学了很多干货。

即使这样，俄罗斯的这些还是比印度强，所以现在印媒刷屏式的狂欢，也很可笑，等着看印度的着陆器剧本。

感叹，中国其实硬实力有相当好的基础，但还是搞出了最近的经济金融危机，老G和X大是空有一副好牌，自己断送了大好的经济走稳和发展的机会。可惜！

 

[ccc]

印度搓火刺激你。

 

[ert0000]

印度搓火刺激你。

看看印度官媒的集体狂欢吧。 下面视频是一个例子

民族性格和做事方式的不同，我记得13年中国月球软着陆成功， 18年月球背面着陆成功，20年嫦娥5号采样成功，22年月球天文成功前，国人也都很期待，但民众和媒体都相当低调。

老印这种方式适合初创公司需要不断用好的正面的信息忽悠人投钱，或职业经理人，把所有“该做”的都做，成不成都是成功，都是我职业生涯的宝贵经历。LOL

如果一个国家的国之重器，这么像网红的一般搞，呵呵。。。

 

[metropolis]

看看印度官媒的集体狂欢吧。 下面视频是一个例子

民族性格和做事方式的不同，我记得13年中国月球软着陆成功， 18年月球背面着陆成功，20年嫦娥5号采样成功，22年月球天文成功前，国人也都很期待，但民众和媒体都相当低调。

老印这种方式适合初创公司需要不断用好的正面的信息忽悠人投钱，或职业经理人，把所有“该做”的都做，成不成都是成功，都是我职业生涯的宝贵经历。LOL

如果一个国家的国之重器，这么像网红的一般搞，呵呵。。。

会有登月直播吗？

 

[ert0000]

会有登月直播吗？

不清楚，看信心指标了。

说起直播，想起了最紧张的嫦5的月球上空的对接。那个亲密拥抱。我记得当时我得知中国要直播，说实话是心里是7上8下。这种直播是硬实力了，记得很清楚当时不少西方专家的评论。

- 中国其实可以直接从月球发射送回地球，中间加了月球上空对接是为了更大的目标
- 中国的技术水平，已经把除了美国外的国家拉开了很多的距离，和第二梯队的国家不是一个级别的水平。

火星天问下落没有直播，但之后的活动都有视频。公开性也很好。

嫦5月球上空对接成功和嫦娥顺利3位一体完成任务，是2个标志性事件。基本奠定之后世界G2格局。

 

[ert0000]

俄罗斯这次是自己掉链子了，不吹不黑，这次LUNA 25事件正式标志着俄罗斯从以往前苏联时期的航天和高科技的TOP 2位置确认跌入第二梯队了。

不多扯别的，就航天而言
第一梯队：美国，中国
第二梯队：俄罗斯，欧洲，日本，印度

两个梯队之间层次非常清晰。这局面会维持很长时间

 

[ert0000]

重磅加持： 美国航天局 NASA 欧洲航天局 ESA, 澳大利亚航天局 全面介入印度月船3，协助印度软着陆成功。

很有趣了，

Chandrayaan-3 | How NASA, ESA will support ISRO during the Moon landing on August 23

NASA and the European Space Agency have been supporting ISRO to monitor the Chandrayaan-3’s health since its launch on July 14, 2023

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Chandrayaan-3 | How NASA, ESA will support ISRO during the Moon landing on August 23​

Back-up support is common during the key moments of a space mission, such as a landing​

August 20, 2023 10:13 pm | Updated August 21, 2023 11:36 am IST - Bengaluru:

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An illustration showing the soft-landing of Chandrayaan-3 on the surface of the Moon. The spacecraft is set to land on August 23, 2023 around 6.04 p.m. IST. Photo: Twitter/@isro via PTI
Since the launch of the Chandrayaan-3 mission on July 14, the ground stations of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) and the European Space Agency (ESA) have been supporting Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) to monitor the spacecraft’s health.

“Since the launch of Chandrayaan-3, ESA has been supporting the mission by utilising two of the ground stations in the ESTRACK network to track the satellite in its orbit, receive telemetry from the spacecraft and forward it to the Mission Operations Centre in Bengaluru, and forward commands sent from Bengaluru to the flying satellite,” Ramesh Chellathurai, ground operations engineer at ESOC Darmstadt, Germany told The Hindu.
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Chandrayaan-3 lunar mission | ISRO’s next leap to the Moon
The ESA’s 15-metre antenna in Kourou, French Guiana, and the 32-metre antenna belonging to Goonhilly Earth Station, U.K., were selected for the support, based on their technical capabilities as well as their periods of geometric visibility to the satellite.
“These two stations have been communicating with the Chandrayaan-3 mission on a regular basis, providing a complete communication channel between the Mission Operations Team in Bengaluru and the Chandrayaan-3 satellite,” Mr. Chellathurai added.

Now, with the Chandrayaan-3’s Lander making an attempt to touch down on the lunar surface on August 23, the support of the ground stations of these agencies becomes even more crucial.









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Watch | Data Point | How tough is it to land Chandrayaan-3’s Vikram lander on the moon?

The ESA’s 35-metre deep space antenna in New Norcia, Australia, a third ground station in the ESTRACK network, has been set-up to track and communicate with the Lander Module during the Lunar Descent phase.
The New Norcia antenna will serve as a back-up for ISRO’s own ground station during the descent. It will receive information about the Lander Module’s health, location and trajectory in parallel with the ISRO station.
ALSO READ

The harsh realities of space that Chandrayaan 3 is built to brave
“It will be this telemetry that is used to confirm the success of the landing. This type of back-up support is common during the key moments of a space mission, such as a landing. After a successful landing, data collected by the mission’s Rover will be routed via the Lander Module to the ground stations. These valuable scientific data will be received by the antennas in Kourou and Goonhilly and forwarded to the Mission Operations Centre in Bengaluru,” Mr. Chellathurai said.

As far as NASA is concerned, its Deep Space Network is providing telemetry and tracking coverage during the powered descent phase from Deep Space Station (DSS)-36 and DSS-34 at Canberra Deep Space Communications Complex followed by DSS-65 at Madrid Deep Space Communications Complex.
ALSO READ

Data | Chandrayaan-3 mission: How tough is it to land on the moon?
“We receive the telemetry from the spacecraft that has the data on the health and status as well as instrument measurements and pass them on to ISRO in practically real-time. We also monitor the radio signal itself for the Doppler effect, which is the primary tool for navigating the spacecraft. This is the critical information during the landing phase and tells us in real-time how it is doing,” Sami Asmar, Jet Propulsion Laboratory’s Interplanetary Network Directorate Customer Interface Manager, said.
He added that primary support for the mission comes from the DSN complex in California because that is exactly on the other side of the Earth from India and can be in view of the Moon when the station in India cannot see the Moon.

 

[ert0000]

6号不带人，飞月球背面一个类似南极地理特征的山区采样，还有一个重要的测试，以前没有国家认真做过，是建立基地的必须，就是精准落地。如果要建基地，就需要有这个技术，如果偏差了几十公里，即使软着陆成功，离建立基地还差得很远

7号飞南极

带人最早2028年，嫦娥8号

不过按我的掐算，2028还不行，估计要到嫦娥9号，在2029-2030左右

忘了提了，嫦娥6还有一个重要技术验证就是 在月球背面上空做对接， 嫦娥5月亮上空对接是在月球正面对着地球。 在月球背面上空做对接也是做有人对接的准备，就是全天候，全方位的空中对接。

看起来嫦娥6不像现在印度俄罗斯的南极软着陆招眼球，但都是做实实在在的技术准备
- 月球背面上空的对接
- 在类似南极极地区 （不是印度俄罗斯的准南极区67-69度）类似复杂山地地形着陆
- 精确着陆实验
- 实验更多钻探装置，提高采样数量，重量
- 动物生命延续实验

 

[ert0000]

INDIA MUST WIN！ 掷地有声

 

[ccc]

俄罗斯这次是自己掉链子了，不吹不黑，这次LUNA 25事件正式标志着俄罗斯从以往前苏联时期的航天和高科技的TOP 2位置确认跌入第二梯队了。

不多扯别的，就航天而言
第一梯队：美国，中国
第二梯队：俄罗斯，欧洲，日本，印度

两个梯队之间层次非常清晰。这局面会维持很长时间

还有科幻片级的登火星，还有太空军，整个一个新的星球大战。看谁把谁拖垮。

美国没动静吧。傻子才玩儿真的。

 

[Seraph72]

重磅加持： 美国航天局 NASA 欧洲航天局 ESA, 澳大利亚航天局 全面介入印度月船3，协助印度软着陆成功。

很有趣了，

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Chandrayaan-3 | How NASA, ESA will support ISRO during the Moon landing on August 23

NASA and the European Space Agency have been supporting ISRO to monitor the Chandrayaan-3’s health since its launch on July 14, 2023

www.thehindu.com

Chandrayaan-3 | How NASA, ESA will support ISRO during the Moon landing on August 23​

Back-up support is common during the key moments of a space mission, such as a landing​

August 20, 2023 10:13 pm | Updated August 21, 2023 11:36 am IST - Bengaluru:

HEMANTH C.S.
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An illustration showing the soft-landing of Chandrayaan-3 on the surface of the Moon. The spacecraft is set to land on August 23, 2023 around 6.04 p.m. IST. Photo: Twitter/@isro via PTI
Since the launch of the Chandrayaan-3 mission on July 14, the ground stations of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) and the European Space Agency (ESA) have been supporting Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) to monitor the spacecraft’s health.

“Since the launch of Chandrayaan-3, ESA has been supporting the mission by utilising two of the ground stations in the ESTRACK network to track the satellite in its orbit, receive telemetry from the spacecraft and forward it to the Mission Operations Centre in Bengaluru, and forward commands sent from Bengaluru to the flying satellite,” Ramesh Chellathurai, ground operations engineer at ESOC Darmstadt, Germany told The Hindu.
ALSO READ

Chandrayaan-3 lunar mission | ISRO’s next leap to the Moon
The ESA’s 15-metre antenna in Kourou, French Guiana, and the 32-metre antenna belonging to Goonhilly Earth Station, U.K., were selected for the support, based on their technical capabilities as well as their periods of geometric visibility to the satellite.
“These two stations have been communicating with the Chandrayaan-3 mission on a regular basis, providing a complete communication channel between the Mission Operations Team in Bengaluru and the Chandrayaan-3 satellite,” Mr. Chellathurai added.

Now, with the Chandrayaan-3’s Lander making an attempt to touch down on the lunar surface on August 23, the support of the ground stations of these agencies becomes even more crucial.









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Watch | Data Point | How tough is it to land Chandrayaan-3’s Vikram lander on the moon?

The ESA’s 35-metre deep space antenna in New Norcia, Australia, a third ground station in the ESTRACK network, has been set-up to track and communicate with the Lander Module during the Lunar Descent phase.
The New Norcia antenna will serve as a back-up for ISRO’s own ground station during the descent. It will receive information about the Lander Module’s health, location and trajectory in parallel with the ISRO station.
ALSO READ

The harsh realities of space that Chandrayaan 3 is built to brave
“It will be this telemetry that is used to confirm the success of the landing. This type of back-up support is common during the key moments of a space mission, such as a landing. After a successful landing, data collected by the mission’s Rover will be routed via the Lander Module to the ground stations. These valuable scientific data will be received by the antennas in Kourou and Goonhilly and forwarded to the Mission Operations Centre in Bengaluru,” Mr. Chellathurai said.

As far as NASA is concerned, its Deep Space Network is providing telemetry and tracking coverage during the powered descent phase from Deep Space Station (DSS)-36 and DSS-34 at Canberra Deep Space Communications Complex followed by DSS-65 at Madrid Deep Space Communications Complex.
ALSO READ

Data | Chandrayaan-3 mission: How tough is it to land on the moon?
“We receive the telemetry from the spacecraft that has the data on the health and status as well as instrument measurements and pass them on to ISRO in practically real-time. We also monitor the radio signal itself for the Doppler effect, which is the primary tool for navigating the spacecraft. This is the critical information during the landing phase and tells us in real-time how it is doing,” Sami Asmar, Jet Propulsion Laboratory’s Interplanetary Network Directorate Customer Interface Manager, said.
He added that primary support for the mission comes from the DSN complex in California because that is exactly on the other side of the Earth from India and can be in view of the Moon when the station in India cannot see the Moon.

擦，都这样了要是阿三还搞不成就真的是烂泥扶不上墙了

 

[billwanhua]

还有科幻片级的登火星，还有太空军，整个一个新的星球大战。看谁把谁拖垮。

美国没动静吧。傻子才玩儿真的。

美国耗着劲在憋大招呢。下一个载人登月妥妥美国。
月球早都不是美国目标了，火星搞了多次了，一直在搞。
现在老美苦于花钱的太多，太空投入确实少了，就跟美国基建一样，不是不搞，苦于财政捉襟见肘，搞不了大的。不过美国现在玩了一个新方法，NASA 不搞以前那种干儿子波音等（要价太高无底深渊）什么承包合同了,现在通过上市公司spaceX 来执行太空项目，而space x 通过商业模式赚钱提高技术。这么一搞，其他国家包含中国靠政府砸钱又要拉垮了

 

[ert0000]

还有科幻片级的登火星，还有太空军，整个一个新的星球大战。看谁把谁拖垮。

美国没动静吧。傻子才玩儿真的。

看看各国在SPACE的投入吧，美国是中国的5倍。

俄乌战争都看到了吧？传统的兵器比如坦克都已经成了配角。胜负关键就是航天的资产，各种用途的卫星（导航，监视，通讯)

没有强大的航天资产和能力，未来有啥冲突就是案板上的肉。

在航天上竞争，总比传统的核大战要文明得多。

Government space budgets driven by space exploration and militarization hit record $92 billion investment in 2021 despite covid, with $1 trillion forecast over the decade - Novaspace

Paris, Washington D.C., Montreal, Yokohama, Sydney, Toulouse, Thursday 6th January, 2022. Leading space consulting and market intelligence firm Euroconsult has released its highly anticipated “Government Space Programs” report for 2021. The highlight of this year’s findings is a continued, even...

www.euroconsult-ec.com

 

[billwanhua]

看看各国在SPACE的投入吧，美国是中国的5倍。

俄乌战争都看到了吧？传统的兵器比如坦克都已经成了配角。胜负关键就是航天的资产，各种用途的卫星（导航，监视，通讯)

没有强大的航天资产和能力，未来有啥冲突就是案板上的肉。

在航天上竞争，总比传统的核大战要文明得多。

Government space budgets driven by space exploration and militarization hit record $92 billion investment in 2021 despite covid, with $1 trillion forecast over the decade - Novaspace

Paris, Washington D.C., Montreal, Yokohama, Sydney, Toulouse, Thursday 6th January, 2022. Leading space consulting and market intelligence firm Euroconsult has released its highly anticipated “Government Space Programs” report for 2021. The highlight of this year’s findings is a continued, even...

www.euroconsult-ec.com

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中国人便宜，制造也便宜，1个美国工程师要抵中国3-5个人的薪水，所以总花费应该差不多了